I'm having doubts about nursing... :( - page 4

Okay everyone, I am just starting my second semester of nursing school and I just had my first day at orientation on the med-surge floor that I will be at this semester. This is my first semester... Read More

  1. by   Sour Lemon
    Quote from matcha-cat
    D*mn. People on this forum are harsh. Who cares if it's whiney? It's okay to be whiney at times. She already acknowledged that it was just her first day, and she was just venting.

    This site can be incredibly helpful and there are a lot of great people on here, but sometimes there are users who are quick to be rude or sarcastic, and then attack users when they dish the attitude back, ironically.
    I thought my first answer was actually helpful ...but after the response I got back, I no longer cared about being nice, only honest.
  2. by   matcha-cat
    Quote from Sour Lemon
    I thought my first answer was actually helpful ...but after the response I got back, I no longer cared about being nice, only honest.
    I think your first comment was helpful, as well, but it was not your comment I was strictly referring to. OP instantly got attacked for venting. She's a student, for crying out loud. I've done things and have started jobs with higher expectations and was disappointed, and yes, I had an attitude about it, but I realized what the issue was and I changed my attitude to accept it and learn as much as I could from it. OP quickly threw this in and admitted to it, and then other people attacked her for being whiney. THAT'S where the problem is.
    Last edit by matcha-cat on Sep 9 : Reason: grammar mistake
  3. by   Sour Lemon
    Quote from matcha-cat
    I think your first comment was helpful, as well, but it was not your comment I was strictly referring to. OP instantly got attacked for venting. She's a student, for crying out loud. I've done things and have started jobs with higher expectations and was disappointed, and yes, I had an attitude about it, but I realized what the issue was and I changed my attitude to accept it and learn as much as I could from it. OP quickly threw this in and admitted to it, and then other people attacked her for being whiney. THAT'S where the problem is.
    I'm the one who initially said she was being whiny ...and she was. It was not an "attack", just the truth. If she's a student, then now's the time to learn. We are the people she'll be working with when she graduates.
  4. by   matcha-cat
    Quote from Sour Lemon
    I'm the one who initially said she was being whiny ...and she was. It was not an "attack", just the truth. If she's a student, then now's the time to learn. We are the people she'll be working with when she graduates.
    This quote is the one that stuck out to me:

    "To me, it just sounds like a bunch of petty, dramatic whining followed by fake 'outrage' at being misunderstood."

    I just think it was an over-the-top and offensive statement. I realize that it's whiney, but at the same time, it's okay to whine every now and then. It was her first day in clinicals and yeah, wiping up poop isn't what you'd imagine to be doing in nursing school. I'm waiting to take my test to be certified as an NA because I want to gain more patient-experience and because I think it would be good for me to learn this aspect of care. During my clinicals, I didn't think the work was "for me" so again, I can't really blame OP for venting.

    That's all it was, was a vent. Helpful criticism is great, but some of the feedback was an attack from the start.
  5. by   Sour Lemon
    Quote from matcha-cat
    This quote is the one that stuck out to me:

    "To me, it just sounds like a bunch of petty, dramatic whining followed by fake 'outrage' at being misunderstood."

    I just think it was an over-the-top and offensive statement. I realize that it's whiney, but at the same time, it's okay to whine every now and then. It was her first day in clinicals and yeah, wiping up poop isn't what you'd imagine to be doing in nursing school. I'm waiting to take my test to be certified as an NA because I want to gain more patient-experience and because I think it would be good for me to learn this aspect of care. During my clinicals, I didn't think the work was "for me" so again, I can't really blame OP for venting.

    That's all it was, was a vent. Helpful criticism is great, but some of the feedback was an attack from the start.
    I think she's offensive. You think I'm offensive. Someone will probably come along and think that you're offensive, next. You should hide.
    But seriously, you and the OP have dramatically different attitudes. It's not just the whining. If I were to "criticize" you constructively, I would probably choose less "harsh" words.
  6. by   matcha-cat
    Quote from Sour Lemon
    I think she's offensive. You think I'm offensive. Someone will probably come along and think that you're offensive, next. You should hide.
    But seriously, you and the OP have dramatically different attitudes. It's not just the whining. If I were to "criticize" you constructively, I would probably choose less "harsh" words.
    Yeah, that's true, but there are posts that are clearly meant to be spiteful or mocking, and at times, when the recipient hadn't come to argue but instead to discuss an issue or vent, like in this case. When is that appropriate?

    I also realize, that at times there are users who get nasty with users because they simply don't want people to disagree with them and obviously that's not excusable. But then I question why people would continue to "bicker" with this person, continuously, when it's obvious that they just won't agree with you, and then act pompous, as if they're better, despite stooping to their level and having a petty, meaningless argument. There was an argument on this website recently, where there were several pages worth of comments attacking a user (and he was attacking back, admittedly) but people kept fighting with the OP even though his comments clearly were absurd and held no truth.

    The people who kept fighting with the user I've also seen be quick to jump on others for their "behavior".
  7. by   Sour Lemon
    Quote from matcha-cat
    Yeah, that's true, but there are posts that are clearly meant to be spiteful or mocking, and at times, when the recipient hadn't come to argue but instead to discuss an issue or vent, like in this case. When is that appropriate?

    I also realize, that at times there are users who get nasty with users because they simply don't want people to disagree with them and obviously that's not excusable. But then I question why people would continue to "bicker" with this person, continuously, when it's obvious that they just won't agree with you, and then act pompous, as if they're better, despite stooping to their level and having a petty, meaningless argument. There was an argument on this website recently, where there were several pages worth of comments attacking a user (and he was attacking back, admittedly) but people kept fighting with the OP even though his comments clearly were absurd and held no truth.

    The people who kept fighting with the user I've also seen be quick to jump on others for their "behavior".
    You might be taking things more seriously than I do. I never worry too much about what happens on the internet. It's just the internet ....entertainment- not my real life.
    I'm pretty sure I know which thread you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure that most of the people on it enjoyed the debate ...or like you said, there would be "no point to the meaningless arguing". I've never felt the need to save anybody or be saved. We all have the power to log ourselves off.
  8. by   matcha-cat
    Quote from Sour Lemon
    You might be taking things more seriously than I do. I never worry too much about what happens on the internet. It's just the internet ....entertainment- not my real life.
    I'm pretty sure I know which thread you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure that most of the people on it enjoyed the debate ...or like you said, there would be "no point to the meaningless arguing". I've never felt the need to save anybody or be saved. We all have the power to log ourselves off.
    We do, yes, but the point is is that people generally come to this website to seek advice or at least understanding, and I believe that's the why forum exists, yes? So mocking comments (to me, at least) seem irrelevant.

    I know I am probably taking the situation seriously, but that's because it's frustrating to see experienced members on this website act so rude, completely without warrant. I've been a member on this website for a few months now, lurking around on threads, and countless times I've seen a user with good intentions (and even attitude) get attacked or at least mocked and it ends with them saying they're done with the thread, despite trying to explain themselves and stay neutral. Oh, and then if they get on the offense after being ridiculed, they then proceed to get attacked and told they need a better attitude and that nursing isn't for them. On top of it all, a lot of times when one user starts mocking the OP, several other users join in and gang up on the OP. It becomes more than simply attacking an argument.

    So yes, I suppose I do take the situation more seriously because it is frustrating to see these "enlightened" users hypocritically attacking people who came on this website for help. Yes, that person can just turn off their monitor or not visit this website, but that defeats the purpose of the forum.

    And again, I'm talking about people who are nasty to others when it wasn't at all necessary. Someone will post a thread and the first comment that is thrown out is snarky (mocking) in nature.
    Last edit by matcha-cat on Sep 9 : Reason: grammarrrrrr
  9. by   jennylee321
    I think one reason why the OP got these reactions is because the title "I'm having doubts about nursing...". It kind of makes it all sound a bit dramatic. People on here often write "VENT" in the beginning of their post or the in title to warn the rest of us. It's a placement, we all had placements we didn't like but to say that she hated it and almost be in tears is a bit over the top, especially on the first day. Nursing is a job, sorry that it's not a thrilling adventure every day. it's only the second semester of nursing school, be grateful that you have a med surg placement. Some people in my class didn't get a hospital placement until 4th year!! In our second semester we had a nursing home placement and didn't get to be buddied with a nurse at all the whole time. We got buddied with CNAs and learned the basics, and then each of us got one day where we got to give one patient their meds in the morning with our clinical instructor supervising us. I learned how to do toileting, transfers, feeding, bathing. Nursing home patients also have multiple medical problems so I would look up all their diagnoses and meds to make my care plans. When I moved on to my next placement which was cardiac, I was already familiar with a lot of the meds these patients would be on. I tried to take whatever I could out of each placement even if I didn't want to work in that area. Especially because the job market wasn't great and even though I wanted to do NICU, I had no guarantee that a NICU job would come up.

    Lastly, it really bothers me when someone feels like a poster on here is rude or snarky to them and immediately snaps back with saying that that person must not be a good or compassionate nurse. Many of us are very kind and compassionate to our patients, it's the job. Doesn't mean we have to agree with and coddle every person who posts on the forum.
  10. by   Wuzzie
    I don't mind vents but I do mind when the vent includes insulting attitudes about other people, positions, etc. I was the very first to respond and I warned the OP because the first post did not come across as a vent, was dismissive of the work the CNA did and was a bit on the dramatic side. I knew what was going to happen and it did. There ARE diplomatic ways to discuss potentially sensitive topics. The OP needs to learn this because it's an extremely important skill when dealing with patients and families. She didn't like what I said but I never attacked her. I never said anything worse than mentioning her lack of diplomacy and even let her know how she could have avoided making the mistake in the first place. I was met with vulgar personal attacks and judgments about my ability to be a nurse. What does that say about the OP? This site isn't a support group. When you put something out there you need to understand that your words can be interpreted differently than you intended. It's not the reader's fault. If someone misunderstands you then calmly explain your point. No need for Internet yelling and insult-slinging. As a nurses we need to develop the skill of keeping our emotions in check and this is a good place to practice it.
  11. by   Wuzzie
    Quote from Texasstudent0
    YES I AM AWARE I WILL BE DOING BED BATHS, TURNING PATIENTS, POOP CLEANING AND ALL THE SKILLS A CNA DOES... is that the highlight of everyone's nursing career?? Absolutely not! So why would it be the highlight of my day as a first day clinical student.
    Because that is nursing fundamentals or Nursing 101 if you will. This is exactly the trajectory that nursing school clinicals have followed since the beginning. You start with the foundation. These are not CNA skills these are fundamentally nursing skills. There is a lot about nursing that is not exciting. In fact, most of it isn't. Even in the areas one would think would be 24-7 excitement (ED,ICU, flight nursing). Your "disappointing" experience on one day, of orientation no less, is no reason to chuck the whole thing. The things you did on your first day were absolutely appropriate for a student brand new to clinicals.
    Last edit by Wuzzie on Sep 9
  12. by   ItsThatJenGirl
    Quote from jennylee321
    I think one reason why the OP got these reactions is because the title "I'm having doubts about nursing...".
    I agree - like she doesn't want to be a nurse anymore because she spent her day doing "menial" tasks. Perhaps not what she intended, but that my my impression nonetheless.
  13. by   Lil Nel
    Unfortunately, OP, clinical rotations in nursing school will most likely do little to prepare you to be an actual RN. I know I learned little about being a nurse from clinical rotations. I DID however, learn about the disease process.

    I see myself and the CNA as a team. If I am in a position to help them, I will. Whether that is helping to empty trash in patient rooms, or passing out breakfast trays. But I also don't hesitate to ask for their help when I need it. We are a team, and we sink or swim together.

    Hopefully you are understanding that this Web Site will prepare you for the nurses you will encounter once you start working. Some will be helpful and non-judgmental. Others will take every opportunity to stab you in the back. Some will be in the middle of the road. My favorite version of the "mean girls in scrubs" are the ones who appear to be friendly and helpful, while trashing you to co-workers as soon as your back is turned. Yes, folks like that are very real.

    But never, never, lose your voice. If you lose that, you are doomed. Don't be afraid to stand up for what is right.

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