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Hi everyone....

Just had a question for you guys....how do your instructors handle cheating? At my school the instructors are sooo strict about cheating even though we really havent given them any reason to think that we would do that.

I understand sitting every other seat and such but my school goes to the extent that they watch us like hawks and make us put our cell phones and bags in the front of the room. There are only 28 of us in the entire program.

We had a whole class on cheating and were told that if we were caught cheating we would be dismissed from the program (which I dont disagree with). They run our papers through some computer program that scans the internet for plagerims too. The school I did my undergrad in was definetly not as strict...just wondering how strict other programs were about this and what precautions/ramifications the instructors take?

i am not saying cheating is right. and was trying to say its not black and white by giving those examples. most hospitals work on the honor system, i would say just about every nurse at least 80% of them have been late 5 min but signed there time cards as 7:00 not 7:05. should they all be fired for cheating the hospital out of money?? if you say no then your a hippocrate. they are not only cheating the hospital out of money but lying and participating in fraudulant behavior. and this happens all the time daily infact.

Umm, first of all, taking 11 items to the 10 item or less checkout lines is totally different than cheating on a test in college.
no it is the same cheating is cheating. perhaps to you cheating on a test is big. but to me cheating in line is big. so you think your kind of cheating is ok but other cheating is not? i dont cheat on my test or in line. so why is it ok for you to cheat in line?

to be honest i think cheating is not ok at all. but if you think your better for cheating on a time card or in line than someone that cheats on a test your very wrong its the same and takes the same type of person to do such a thing, you know its wrong but you do it anyway, its the same. what do you think would happen if i reported all the nurses that show up to work at 7:05 and wrote down 7:00. what about the nurses that leave 10-15min early everyday, which is just about all of them each and everyday. according to you guys/girls it is my responsibility to report them. in theory yeah sure but in reality, yeah right. this is my whole point. sure according to all we read and know we should report anything like this. but just like taking the board test, sure on the test you need to do this but in the real world it just dosent work like that.

i am not saying cheating is right. and was trying to say its not black and white by giving those examples. most hospitals work on the honor system, i would say just about every nurse at least 80% of them have been late 5 min but signed there time cards as 7:00 not 7:05. should they all be fired for cheating the hospital out of money?? if you say no then your a hippocrate. they are not only cheating the hospital out of money but lying and participating in fraudulant behavior. and this happens all the time daily infact.

You have a sign in and out system at your hospital?? Wow.

Everywhere I have worked requires electronic sign in. Hospitals have policies about lateness, and I know one nurse who could not come to work on time, and she is no longer working. The policy on lateness applies to nurses as does a policy on cheating for students. In fact, the policies are different, academic dishonesty one thing, being late to work is another, both have written policies to address them.

Thing is that this thread was started about academic dishonesty, not about work behaviors, or shopping behaviors. There are Policies for each thing, and they shouldn't be compared (I think the shopping behavior policy may be unwritten...:rotfl: )

I tutored A and P through Nursing school- for students who were having trouble, thats the way to not leave someone behind...

i am not saying cheating is right. and was trying to say its not black and white by giving those examples. most hospitals work on the honor system, i would say just about every nurse at least 80% of them have been late 5 min but signed there time cards as 7:00 not 7:05. should they all be fired for cheating the hospital out of money?? if you say no then your a hippocrate. they are not only cheating the hospital out of money but lying and participating in fraudulant behavior. and this happens all the time daily infact.

Well my employer gets at least 30 minutes to 2 hours of work out of me: UNPAID and FREE. This is not unusual for the vast majority of nurses. Just because it is the norm does not make it right. In fact I will docked pay for the time I come in 5 min late. Frankly my facility cheats me out of money, not the other way around. If it is not this way where you work, please tell me where I can apply. I'll gladly show up on time and if I am 5 minutes late will fess up.

ucla is where i work. come on down. i have lots of my friends who work at other hospitals here in cali and they all go by the honor system. but none the less cheating is cheating no matter where you are in school, work at the market. and yes they should be compared because school is only where it starts, but it manifests itself in the real world. what is the point of being honest and ethical in school if your not honest and ethical at work. if you tell on someone at school because it is the ethical thing to do you should be taking that same attitude with you out of school and tell on all these nurses for writting the wrong time in on their cards.

i am not just talking about being late, but signing the time card and writing the wrong time in.

what i have been trying to do is get you to see the difference between what should be and what is. here i geuss since i see thing differently i am a bad person and unethical.

ok lets just see how ethical you all are. check yourself 75% of students today admit to cheating on a test; should 75% of all students be removed and only let the other 25% of students continue their education? ethically what should be done? in reality what should be done?

ok lets just see how ethical you all are. check yourself 75% of students today admit to cheating on a test; should 75% of all students be removed and only let the other 25% of students continue their education? ethically what should be done? in reality what should be done?

Between kindergarten and now have I ever cheated on a test? Yes, in grade school.

All right, now lock me up and throw away the key.

Have I ever taken 11 items instead of 10 through a check out lane? NO.

Specializes in Operating Room.

In an 8-5 job, if I was 5 minutes late, I worked until 5:05.

I, in fact, have clocked out and still worked to insure pt. call backs were taken care of the same day.

I do not take 11 items in a 10 item line. That is such a pet peeve. In fact, if someone has 2 items, and I have 10, then I usually let them in front of me.

I can understand your point, but when it comes to the COMPETITION to get into nursing school, it's not fair for someone to cheat their way in, or cheat their way through it.

i am not saying cheating is right. and was trying to say its not black and white by giving those examples. most hospitals work on the honor system, i would say just about every nurse at least 80% of them have been late 5 min but signed there time cards as 7:00 not 7:05. should they all be fired for cheating the hospital out of money?? if you say no then your a hippocrate. they are not only cheating the hospital out of money but lying and participating in fraudulant behavior. and this happens all the time daily infact.
no it is the same cheating is cheating. perhaps to you cheating on a test is big. but to me cheating in line is big. so you think your kind of cheating is ok but other cheating is not? i dont cheat on my test or in line. so why is it ok for you to cheat in line?

to be honest i think cheating is not ok at all. but if you think your better for cheating on a time card or in line than someone that cheats on a test your very wrong its the same and takes the same type of person to do such a thing, you know its wrong but you do it anyway, its the same. what do you think would happen if i reported all the nurses that show up to work at 7:05 and wrote down 7:00. what about the nurses that leave 10-15min early everyday, which is just about all of them each and everyday. according to you guys/girls it is my responsibility to report them. in theory yeah sure but in reality, yeah right. this is my whole point. sure according to all we read and know we should report anything like this. but just like taking the board test, sure on the test you need to do this but in the real world it just dosent work like that.

Well, first of all, I do not cheat in line!!!

Second of all, there IS a BIG difference between cheating on a test and cheating in line, and I'm sure many, many people would agree with that.

How about this scenario: what happens if the nurse needs to do something for the patient (to help save their life) and doesn't remember, because she CHEATED on tests and did not study enough??????

I think that's a little bit different from cheating in a grocery line. Its a matter of life and death then and not just a matter of how many items you have in your grocery cart.

And this conversation has turned into something absolutely ridiculous! You are trying to keep an argument going. Why do you keep defending cheaters? or are you just trying to win this debate? Surely, you can clearly see that nobody on here agrees with you!! Give it up already!!

I'm through with this childish conversation, and YES, I will continue to TELL on cheaters in the future!! Every chance I get!!!

pixi, childish conversation, just because i see things different, come now. the point is there is a very serious problem with cheating. in 1960 60% of the students, not grade school but college, admitted to cheating. in 2000 75% of students admit to cheating. so the current thinking of telling on them and kicking them out of school is not working. in fact with our current approach the problem over the last 30 years is worse. we need to rethink our approach on the best way to deal with the issue. to say i am just trying to keep the an arguement going for the sake of arguement is ridiculous. i am glad you see my point fun2care.

yeah pixi there is a difference in cheating in line and cheating in class, but the principals remains the same. if you were in New Orleans and waiting in line for food and people were cheating in line leaveing you with no food is that as bad as cheating on a test?

i agree funn2care its not fair and needs to be fixed, the question is how to fix it, telling is just a band aid and over the years has shown to be ineffective. all i am saying is we should try a new approach. the old school thinking just doesnt work.

pixi as far becoming a nurse its not your class grades or graduating that makes you a nurse. its the board test and you can not cheat on that. did you know that it is possible to challenge the boards without ever going through nursing school and become a nurse. i asked a real question facing us today. what to do. the ethical thing means removing a third of students. i see the question was not answered. if you refuse to see the issue how can it be fixed. saying i will just keep doing what we have been, at the current rate that would mean by 2020 95% of student will cheat. a scary thought. perhaps you can not grasp the holistic view yet, when you can i hope you are just as passionate about fixing the problem as you are about catching cheaters.

fun2care be very careful if you clock out and contiue to work, because if something happens to your patient you are soley responsible and your hospital will not help you. its cirminal offense. it would be as if you went to any hospital and started working on a patient. just be careful for your own sake.

Specializes in Operating Room.
fun2care be very careful if you clock out and contiue to work, because if something happens to your patient you are soley responsible and your hospital will not help you. its cirminal offense. it would be as if you went to any hospital and started working on a patient. just be careful for your own sake.

Thanks, thatoneguy, but that was as a medical assistant after the Dr.'s office had closed. :)

i figured you were not working on a patient. well hoping anyway. :p but, i do see some other nurses working on there own time on a patient. what do you think, should i tell on them or help them with their work so they can finish on time? J/K dont answer that. lol, i can now see how instructors get so fustrated, i guess i too was suffering from tunnel vision while in school. its hard to apply what your are learning in school to the real world, before the time is right. never really thought about that until now. think about this, nursing school is just to prepare you to take the boards, the board test is not just about your medical knowledge but a determination on your level of critical thinking. thats what makes you a nurse, not remembering this or that, its more about being able to think critically.

Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.

My university had test monitors rather than the instructors present for our tests. We were only permitted to bring pen or pencil to the exam. We also had to bring our picture ID and it was to be placed in front of us, so the monitors could see our name on our papers and face and confirm it with our name and face on our IDs. Another school I went to had several versions of a test on each particular subject. In order to get information about questions on a test you had to find several people who had taken different forms of the test. After expending all that energy, why not just study? In recent classes I have taken we have had to sit in alternating seats and I've noticed the instructor breaking up groups of friends and spreading them to the four points of the room. Movies like Cheats and Cheaters that kind of glorify cheating on tests hasn't helped this situation either.

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