Why the nurses get no respect...

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Hello, everyone.

I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to comment, whether you agree with me or not.

I'm working on a BSN degree, which I expect to complete by summer '04. After that I intend to work as an RN for a year and then apply to grad school to do the CRNA program. Yes, I'm one of 'those' people who went ahead and did a nursing degree despite all the MANY negative things I heard about nursing as a career. BUT... I've been working as a volunteer in a local hospital, and from what I have observed, it IS true that physicians and NPs look down on nurses. But, it is also true that a lot of what has happened to the nursing profession is due to the attitudes and behavior of some of the nurses themselves.

First of all, I can tell from talking to some of the nurses at my hospital that they barely made it through nursing school and probably passed the NCLEX by less than a hair. Even as a student, I am shocked at some of the things I've seen some RNs do and at some of the questions they ask...stuff that any first year nursing student should know. If even I, as a nursing student, can observe these things, then surely the doctors also do. And, this is one of the reasons some of them think most nurses are idiots and little more than patient care techs. I've only been a volunteer in this hospital for 6 months and already I can tell the good nurses from the bad ones.

Another thing I've observed is that many nurses complain, complain, complain...about everything and wherever they can find an audience. They complain about the pay, the patients, the doctors, the administration...you name it. I've always wondered why these people got into the profession in the first place. They always use the same cliches...Plumbers make more, landscapers make more, etc. Anyone who really loves nursing will agree that it takes a lot more to be a nurse than it does to be a plumber or a gardener. For one thing, to be a good nurse you have to care more about helping people than about making a buck. In fact, to be really good at any profession you have to care more about your competence and reputation than about making a lot of money. I think a lot of nurses don't understand this.

I've seen some nurses who're so miserable when they come on the floor most times that I wonder why they bother. I've always believed that if you don't like what you're doing then you should find another way to make a living and stop creating more stress for yourself. I'm not yet an RN, and obviously as a volunteer I'm not making ANY money from helping take care of people in the hospital, but its experience that I'll need later and I don't get stressed out by it because I actually like helping people.

Also, some nurses don't take themselves seriously but they expect doctors to respect them anyway. In the old days, nurses used to wear immaculate white uniforms that were ironed, and they also wore clean white shoes. They wore conservative and neatly groomed hair, short cut nails, and they were spotless all around. Nurses were in very much the same supporting role back then but doctors did not look down on them the way they do now. Everyone used to look up to that spotless white uniform as a symbol of health and authority, and nursing used to be one of the most highly respected careers.

But look at what's happened. SCRUBS!!! In the ugliest and most shocking colors and prints, and with a pair of smelly, dirty sneakers to match. Not to mention the outrageous hairstyles and the long, acrylic fingernails to match. Compare the matronly-looking nurse from the 1950s in her glorious white uniform to today's nurse in his/her cheap cotton scrubs. Which one looks more like a circus act? Which one looks more like a healthcare professional? And we're wondering why people don't see nurses as professionals!!! Yes, appearance matters, and to prove it, put a lab coat on any nurse and throw a stethescope around his or her neck and see whether most patients won't assume that she/he is a doctor.

Then there's attitude. I've seen nurses who flat out refuse to go back to school to learn new stuff, always holding on tight only to what they know. They resist change and complain when they have to learn new technology that comes into the hospital. Some of them love to stand around backstabbing each other and gossipping, and they say the nastiest things about other nurses who take their work seriously.

I encourage anyone who's thinking about going into nursing to volunteer a few hours each week in a hospital and watch how the RNs and the LPNs do their stuff, just to get an idea of what to expect from the career. If after doing that you still feel like giving nursing a try, then just do it and stop paying attention to other people who say negative things about nursing. Every career has stress, and very few people you ask (no matter what profession they're in) will ever say they make "enough" money. I don't think nurses will ever be paid "enough" money for what they do, but one thing I've learned is that nursing is absolutely the wrong career choice if you're doing it just for the money.

I think nursing can once again become a respected profession when some of us in the field start to respect ourselves and each other a lot more than we do now.

Interesting Sim, when you get a chance would you please post some of their responses....now I am curious! Good luck on your paper!

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych.

Sim

Mindboggling is the word for all we really do! I'm not at all suprised your paper was over 10 pages long. What other discipline is involved with every other discipline to the extent that nurses are? Doctors, Dietary, Housekeeping, Maintainance, Cental Supply, PT, OT, Pharmacy, Lab, Radiology...and so on, and so on...nurses orchestrate everything! Oh, then there are our OWN responsibilities to the patient! This isn't about what nurses do...more like what nurses don't do! And that is take care of themselves.

Specializes in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych.
Originally posted by funnygirl_rn

Interesting Sim, when you get a chance would you please post some of their responses....now I am curious! Good luck on your paper!

You're right, funnygirl. Their perceptions of what we do could prove to be very interesting. Then again, maybe I don't really want to know.:o

Hee hee...so true Sbic!

B]>>>Compare the matronly-looking nurse from the 1950s in her glorious white uniform to today's nurse in his/her cheap cotton scrubs. Which one looks more like a circus act? Which one looks more like a healthcare professional?

!!! So you think that nurses have to be matronly and dowdy to look professional? Personally, that 50's look nauseates me. Nurses prim and proper, with their crispy white caps stuck on those ugly 50s hairdos do not arouse envy in me.

Maybe in addition to returning to the 50s fashions and hairdos, we can also return to 50s nursing. Get out the mop girls, better not sit down in the presence of God, oops, I mean the doctor, let's get out the scrub brush and get those toilets clean, and maybe if you ask nicely, your manager may give you that one cent per hour raise that you've been promised for the past ten years.

Go back to the 50s? Not on your life.[:chuckle

Dave, You say that you are planning to spend a year working as a nurse but one year will not even begin to help you understand and realize what the real problems and issues are in nursing. It is easy to look from the outside and criticize and make judgements about things that you have not had to do yourself, but the real challenge would be to back up your words with positive action.

Since you know all about what is wrong with the nursing profession why don't you just stay and make it better?? I'm sure your future patients will appreciate your matronly appearance and starched whites.

Still, quite a few guys I started the program with dropped out during the prequisite courses because they thought it would be easy and that all they would have to learn is medical terminology and how to give injections. They didn't understand they had to do courses in chemistry, micro, and A&P before they begin the core practicum, and to some people that's just too much when you're juggling it with a full-time job and a family.

I am assured by your post here (from another thread) that you already know that not all nurses are idiots and that it is a very challenging profession, to say the least.

Dave, there are morons, whiners, hygenically-challenged people in every field. Wish you could have worked with some of the winners with which I worked :).

Medicine, by its nature, is a "dirty" profession. Did you ever see With Honors where Joe Pesci makes the comment to the kid wanting to go to medical school with the socks in the oven? However, every profession has its degree of "dirty".

Do you mind if I ask for which hospital system you are volunteering and which school you are attending? Bet I can guess the hospital but I'm stumped on the school :).

Hey Dave, I understand what you are talking about. For me, I just look at it in the way i am going to positively help other people, one at a time, minute by minute, and the shadows that I will create when I really put my time in.

Don't let some nurses appear to bring a downer because of their denenour or slobishness. Many kids influence their parents today in dress and naitivity (assored meds), and many nurses have families and sometimes single parent "house" holds.

Also, you are a guy, so lets just let it go at that.

As for your title to this "why nurses get no respect". Let me tell you respect is earned, not a given. I am an LPN and proud to be one. I do one hell of a good job, and yes I am highly respected by co workers and yes even doctors. Perhaps you need to become a nurse before you pass judgement. As for the white uniform issue, open up any number of uniform catalogs, tell me, how many starched white uniforms are available? Not too many. Oh and the cap issue, think how nice and white they will be after sitting in the closet for the last 15 years or so!! You cant just buy a few of them, and alot of nursing schools do not even give caps anymore! Maybe we could just make paper hats since all nurses act like idiots anyway! Gwenith, once again I agre with you 100%!!

Specializes in Hemodialysis, Home Health.
Originally posted by sbic56

Insulting the intelligence of the nurses you work with mostly reflects poorly on no one, but yourself. Most are capable; with the nursing shortage they may be inexperienced, but certainly not incompetant. I don't find at all that physicians look down on nurses. Most I know are quite aware they would be unable to run their practices without nurses. Sure there are exceptions, and being human, some docs are not nice people, but that is neither here nor there.

I'd suggest you work as a nurse for a bit before you profess to know all the answers to the ills of the profession. It sounds like you have much to experience. That said, I do agree with your assessment that nurses complain way too much and that is counterproductive. Mainly, nurses need to learn to take care of themselves. Nurses are obviously caregivers, but they often put their own needs on a back burner, be it on the job or in their personal lives. The result is burnout, depression and general dissatifaction. As a group we need to continue to push for safer working conditions, adequate staffing and the compensation we deserve for our service. Acheiving those goals would make nursing the profession that most of us fell in love with in the first place.

That sums it up. Thank you ! ITA.

The sarcasm in some of these posts are exactly what I was talking about in my original comment about the negative attitudes towards nursing from some nurses. This is why I don't undertand why so many RNs complain about their jobs. Nurses today are no different from the ones of years ago...essentially, they're still cleaning the patient's pee-pee and poop, giving medications, doing assessments, and taking orders from doctors and NPs. That's always been a part of the job that will never change whether you're wearing white or the most hideous scrubs.

As one nurse manager in my hospital puts it, the worst offfenders and the biggest complainers always find a way to blame the horrible state of the nursing profession on somebody else besides themselves. Its never about them or their attitude, they always try to make it about the hospitals, the doctors, other nurses, or the patients...always trying to find some fault that they can complain about or criticize. And they walk around with all this false pride about how long they've been a nurse, as if that excuses them from incompetence and sloth. The fact that a person has been a nurse for 10 or even 20 years doesn't necessarily mean that that person is a good nurse, and I've seen that with my own eyes.

For the person who says wearing a clean white uniform makes a nurse look like a bimbo, well... I guess only so much can be said for cleanliness and self respect. Evidently, these qualities mean different things to different people.

But, to each, his own. Right?

Dave, do feel free to wear starched whites, a dress, and a cap. I'm sure nobody will try to stop you.

As for attitude, you're a volunteer. You have no idea what it's like to be a nurse.

True, nurses do need to get together and change things within the profession. But attitudes from the outside like yours doesn't help.

It's funny, I look at engineers who complain about working conditions and they are considered assertive. Nurses complain about working conditions and they're whining.

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