Why the nurses get no respect... - page 2
Hello, everyone. I know this topic has been severely beaten, but its not dead yet because so many of us are still talking about it. I thought I would share my opinions and I invite everyone to... Read More
Jun 20, '03Sim
Mindboggling is the word for all we really do! I'm not at all suprised your paper was over 10 pages long. What other discipline is involved with every other discipline to the extent that nurses are? Doctors, Dietary, Housekeeping, Maintainance, Cental Supply, PT, OT, Pharmacy, Lab, Radiology...and so on, and so on...nurses orchestrate everything! Oh, then there are our OWN responsibilities to the patient! This isn't about what nurses do...more like what nurses don't do! And that is take care of themselves.
Jun 20, '03Originally posted by funnygirl_rn
Interesting Sim, when you get a chance would you please post some of their responses....now I am curious! Good luck on your paper!
Jun 21, '03B]>>>Compare the matronly-looking nurse from the 1950s in her glorious white uniform to today's nurse in his/her cheap cotton. Which one looks more like a circus act? Which one looks more like a healthcare professional?<<<[/B]
!!! So you think that nurses have to be matronly and dowdy to look professional? Personally, that 50's look nauseates me. Nurses prim and proper, with their crispy white caps stuck on those ugly 50s hairdos do not arouse envy in me.
Maybe in addition to returning to the 50s fashions and hairdos, we can also return to 50s nursing. Get out the mop girls, better not sit down in the presence of God, oops, I mean the doctor, let's get out the scrub brush and get those toilets clean, and maybe if you ask nicely, your manager may give you that one cent per hour raise that you've been promised for the past ten years.
Go back to the 50s? Not on your life.[:chuckle:hatparty:Last edit by roxannekkb on Jun 21, '03
Jun 21, '03Dave, You say that you are planning to spend a year working as a nurse but one year will not even begin to help you understand and realize what the real problems and issues are in nursing. It is easy to look from the outside and criticize and make judgements about things that you have not had to do yourself, but the real challenge would be to back up your words with positive action.
Since you know all about what is wrong with the nursing profession why don't you just stay and make it better?? I'm sure your future patients will appreciate your matronly appearance and starched whites.
Still, quite a few guys I started the program with dropped out during the prequisite courses because they thought it would be easy and that all they would have to learn isand how to give injections. They didn't understand they had to do courses in chemistry, micro, and A&P before they begin the core practicum, and to some people that's just too much when you're juggling it with a full-time job and a family.Last edit by Gator,SN on Jun 21, '03
Jun 21, '03Dave, there are morons, whiners, hygenically-challenged people in every field. Wish you could have worked with some of the winners with which I worked .
Medicine, by its nature, is a "dirty" profession. Did you ever see With Honors where Joe Pesci makes the comment to the kid wanting to go to medical school with the socks in the oven? However, every profession has its degree of "dirty".
Do you mind if I ask for which hospital system you are volunteering and which school you are attending? Bet I can guess the hospital but I'm stumped on the school .
Jun 21, '03Hey Dave, I understand what you are talking about. For me, I just look at it in the way i am going to positively help other people, one at a time, minute by minute, and the shadows that I will create when I really put my time in.
Don't let some nurses appear to bring a downer because of their denenour or slobishness. Many kids influence their parents today in dress and naitivity (assored meds), and many nurses have families and sometimes single parent "house" holds.
Also, you are a guy, so lets just let it go at that.
Jun 21, '03As for your title to this "why nurses get no respect". Let me tell you respect is earned, not a given. I am an LPN and proud to be one. I do one hell of a good job, and yes I am highly respected by co workers and yes even doctors. Perhaps you need to become a nurse before you pass judgement. As for the white uniform issue, open up any number of uniform catalogs, tell me, how many starched white uniforms are available? Not too many. Oh and the cap issue, think how nice and white they will be after sitting in the closet for the last 15 years or so!! You cant just buy a few of them, and alot of nursing schools do not even give caps anymore! Maybe we could just make paper hats since all nurses act like idiots anyway! Gwenith, once again I agre with you 100%!!
Jun 21, '03Originally posted by sbic56
Insulting the intelligence of the nurses you work with mostly reflects poorly on no one, but yourself. Most are capable; with the nursing shortage they may be inexperienced, but certainly not incompetant. I don't find at all that physicians look down on nurses. Most I know are quite aware they would be unable to run their practices without nurses. Sure there are exceptions, and being human, some docs are not nice people, but that is neither here nor there.
I'd suggest you work as a nurse for a bit before you profess to know all the answers to the ills of the profession. It sounds like you have much to experience. That said, I do agree with your assessment that nurses complain way too much and that is counterproductive. Mainly, nurses need to learn to take care of themselves. Nurses are obviously caregivers, but they often put their own needs on a back burner, be it on the job or in their personal lives. The result is burnout, depression and general dissatifaction. As a group we need to continue to push for safer working conditions, adequate staffing and the compensation we deserve for our service. Acheiving those goals would make nursing the profession that most of us fell in love with in the first place.
Jun 21, '03The sarcasm in some of these posts are exactly what I was talking about in my original comment about the negative attitudes towards nursing from some nurses. This is why I don't undertand why so many RNs complain about their jobs. Nurses today are no different from the ones of years ago...essentially, they're still cleaning the patient's pee-pee and poop, giving medications, doing assessments, and taking orders from doctors and NPs. That's always been a part of the job that will never change whether you're wearing white or the most hideous scrubs.
As one nurse manager in my hospital puts it, the worst offfenders and the biggest complainers always find a way to blame the horrible state of the nursing profession on somebody else besides themselves. Its never about them or their attitude, they always try to make it about the hospitals, the doctors, other nurses, or the patients...always trying to find some fault that they can complain about or criticize. And they walk around with all this false pride about how long they've been a nurse, as if that excuses them from incompetence and sloth. The fact that a person has been a nurse for 10 or even 20 years doesn't necessarily mean that that person is a good nurse, and I've seen that with my own eyes.
For the person who says wearing a clean white uniform makes a nurse look like a bimbo, well... I guess only so much can be said for cleanliness and self respect. Evidently, these qualities mean different things to different people.
But, to each, his own. Right?
Jun 21, '03Dave, do feel free to wear starched whites, a dress, and a cap. I'm sure nobody will try to stop you.
As for attitude, you're a volunteer. You have no idea what it's like to be a nurse.
True, nurses do need to get together and change things within the profession. But attitudes from the outside like yours doesn't help.
It's funny, I look at engineers who complain about working conditions and they are considered assertive. Nurses complain about working conditions and they're whining.
Jun 21, '03Very good posts. Dave you have no idea what the job entails as you yourself said you are not yet a nurse. Believe me I have worked with many a nurses aid that thought they knew exactly what nurses did that is until they went to school and became one. They usually end up apologizing to the nurses they wrongly judged. As for the dress code a nurses choice of scrubs has nothing to do with a lack of professionalism and everything to do with being able to move enough to really DO your job. At leaste where I work I have to get in some pretty strange positions in order to perform alot of my duties. If I had to wear a starched dress or uniform I doubt that I would get as hands on in dealing with my pts as I currently do. GOOD nurses gotta be able to move. As a nurse I feel I would be remiss if I didnt tell you that you need to get your judgemental attitude in check before you become a nurse. If you dont your pts will dislike you and your coworkers will eat you alive. The chip on the shoulder must go. Trust me it is not becoming to a professional nurse.
Jun 21, '03Oh, Dave, Dave, Dave! It is so much more complicated than you realize, sir. As one of the nurses who proudly profess to her years in the profession(12) and then complain, let me say to you: you must walk a mile in our shoes before you can even begin to judge. Many have already made good points to you: Nursing school does not prepare you to know everything. And in fact, you will not ever know everything there is to know about nursing even if you specialize. That is the nature of the biz.
You made some good points about people who don't care about themselves or their jobs. But honestly, why must we feel guilty about wanting to make more money? If my salary has not risen significantly in the 12 years that I've been working, don 't I have a right to complain?
As for the white uniforms, it costs a fortune to keep them looking white and starch(???). They stain very easily and it is difficult to get them clean. Wearing scrubs is a matter of practicality but I daresay that it is possible to look professional in them also. I know I always do.
It is pretty funny that you think that nurses were more respected in the past than now. By the way, did you hear that nursing is the top respected profession in the United States as rated by the public? I guess they don't mind the scrubs.
I also like what said to you about how it really is the nurses' own fault if they are unhappy. That is so typical of what administration usually thinks and I see that you bought right into it. You have a great career ahead of you! Seriously, let's see how much you think it is the nurses own fault if she or he is complaining after you are working your third double in a pay period, short-staffed again!, and administration shrugs their shoulders and tells you to just deal with it. Let's see how proud you are after working hard all shift under the worst of circumstances to keep your patients alive and progressing only for someone to complain because you didn't keep their water pitcher filled or you took too long to get a blanket.
Gwenith is right. Your tone is rather condescending but I am not angered by it. I know that you will see the truth shortly. I only hope that after your 1 year that you would write us back and let us know exactly how it is for you.