When coworkers make prejudiced statements - page 11

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Yesterday I had two nurses make anti-Mexican statements. The first was a new nurse who moved from Montana and made these statements in the medroom. She's having trouble adjusting to the hospital, which does have a considerable... Read More


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    Quote from mike7evans
    eltripRe: When coworkers make prejudiced statements
    Originally Posted by ghillbert
    Now, you're not prejudiced against crazy militia people, are you?
    I am. But then, I used to be married to one of 'em. In Tennessee, no less!:icon_roll

    Now Nurse Eltrip.... just because many folks from TN's family tree is a wreath, doesn't mean we're all crazy people. LOL.

    No, mike7evans, all people from TN aren't crazy, no matter how our family trees branch, fork, or wreath. Just the paranoid, militia types who build bombs (and bury them for future use), stockpile machine guns & think they're smarter than everyone else who obeys the laws of the land.
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    Quote from mike7evans
    In our facility... in corrections....typically, and objectively....black inmates cause us the most headaches and tend to have a higher sense of entitlement than other races. Therefore, it is objective... and even the black nursing staff cannot disagree.
    Objective?

    Objective means you have HARD DATA. Like videos of everyone.

    Your assessment is still subjective. The fact that I can pretty much guess your race confirms the subjectivity of the thought.
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    Hard data, Stanley, tells me that the Black underclass is an extremely troubled community, with high rates of unwed motherhood, gang warfare, welfare dependency, etc., living in urban areas that tend to be culturally isolated.

    I daresay, the White underclass tends to be more rural, and living in less concentrated neighborhoods that are, as a whole, less violent.

    These demographic realities could very well result from historical injustices, but are nevertheless real and will take many years to heal.
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    Quote from FireStarterRN
    Hard data, Stanley, tells me that the Black underclass is an extremely troubled community, with high rates of unwed motherhood, gang warfare, welfare dependency, etc., living in urban areas that tend to be culturally isolated.
    Where did you go to school? A larger number of black inmates DOESN'T mean a larger percentage of black criminals. It only means a greater amount of bias in the courts. As evidenced by MULTIPLE studies.

    Let's look at criminal profiles.

    Per the FBI...

    Serial Killer - Predominantly White Males
    Child Molester - Yet again, predominantly white males.
    Terrorist (In America) - Young White males are only second to Muslim males yet account for more acts of terrorism.
    Violence Related to drugs - Ok, we have one.

    The only stat were we have higher rates is in violent crime related to drugs. Overall violent crime is still hands down dominated by whites.

    There is no point in even looking at historical trends. We all know how that goes.

    I daresay, the White underclass tends to be more rural, and living in less concentrated neighborhoods that are, as a whole, less violent.
    Not only is that wrong (the violent part), the methamphetamine epidemic (mostly found in predominantly white, rural areas) is estimated to be more pervasive and dangerous than the crack epidemic (which was mainly in urban, black areas).

    [quite]These demographic realities could very well result from historical injustices, but are nevertheless real and will take many years to heal.[/quote]

    The point of this wasn't who is more 'criminal.' The point was that people making blanket statements about a race not their own without har data IS quite prejudicial. Thank you for proving my point.

    Oh, also, if you look at any one year blacks MAY have a higher percentage. Forget the tree. Let's look at the forest. Black plus ALL OTHER minority crime represents a small percentage of total crime in this country for any period greater than 10 years. Hmmmm....
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    Quote from FireStarterRN
    These demographic realities could very well result from historical injustices, but are nevertheless real and will take many years to heal.
    the injustices aren't just historical. in one of my textbooks (unfortunately one I seem to have misplaced) there was a study done in Michigan in 2003.

    they sent a bunch of guys in dressed identically, with identical (fake) resumes. all the guys were coached and had good people skills and were clean and well dressed and such. they had half the white guys and half the black guys turn in resumes where they admitted to doing 18 months in prison for cocaine. the results were that white men who admitted to doing prison time for cocaine were still 3% more likely to get a call back for a job than black men with identical qualifications and no criminal record at all. discrimination is very much alive and well.

    of course, living in arkansas I don't need statistics to tell me racism is by no means dead. the 20 something year old friend I went out with saturday had a cross burned in her yard while she was a teenager. "historical" feels like a serious misnomer.

    still, the historical stuff shouldn't be discounted. the fact our public school system is based on property tax and the black community was systematically robbed of the primary source of wealth accumulation for all americans (home equity, see redlining) means the field will still be unequal for a long time. even if racism died today, whites would still have vastly more accumulated wealth than blacks who worked just as hard or harder.

    you might want to look at how they sentence drug crimes too. more than two thirds of cocaine users overall are white. cocaine comes in crack and powder form...82% of crack cocaine users are black. the penalty for the variety of the drug with majority black users (even though most users overall are white) is, I **** you not, 100 times worse than the penalty for the powder form more popular with white users. the same drug, but the law is literally 100 times more strict on the variety with more black users. let's not even get started on the overt racism in the application of the death penalty (though the majority of the civilized world has abolished it entirely, so that it's racist on top of being barbaric and ineffective is something of a moot point).
    Last edit by feralnostalgia on Feb 4, '09
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    I usually say something like (with sincere sounding tone and body language) "I know you may not realize it- but such comments could be viewed as offensive by some. Everyone around here can hear you, and if a complaint is made you could be risking your job." It's always been nipped in the bud and comes off like I'm trying to help cover their hindquarters.


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