What punishment should this nurse get?

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      Yes, this nurse should be fired...no matter how excellent.
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      No, this nurse should NOT be fired, it happens...even to excellent nurses.

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Had an interesting situation that came up and thought I'd throw it out for discussion.

One of our staff RNs was found sitting in a chair and sleeping at the bedside of one of our ventilator patients at 7am. She tells me that the patient was very restless and they had been constantly watching him throughout the night shift because of the fear of him pulling his trach out. They found he would settle down when someone sat with him and held his hand (how basic can nursing care get?). So, periodically during the night different staff members sat at his bedside. The nurse in question says that at 5am she had caught up on all her charting and told her co-workers that she was going to sit down in the room with the patient. She sat down, took his hand and he immediately quieted down. She sat back and the next thing she knew someone was waking her and telling her it was 7am. She jumped up and worked on giving her 6am meds and ended up giving an oral report to the oncoming shift (we tape report).

A very serious decision has to be made here. This is a really excellent nurse and I'm afraid there will be no choice but to fire her and report her to the Board of Nursing. I understand that she did not intend to fall asleep and that she was helping the patient, but rules are rules, aren't they? How I wish this hadn't been reported. Our facility rules clearly state "no sleeping on the job". Our Human Resources Office and the Director of Nursing will make the final decision. What do you all think?

Specializes in Cardiac.
I have 17 years of experience I manage a ward and have responsibility for 25 members of staff and I have never known a patient to loose their life because a nurse nodded off.

So because you have never seen it, that means that harm to a pt as a result of sleeping can never happen??? Now that's faulty reasoning....

Specializes in Pediatrics; Camp.

I'm really surprised by some of the extreme views regarding this situation. They also make me VERY thankful I work where I do. I don't see how a punitive "punishment" would solve anything at all here. If she is an excellent nurse, then she messed up, and that's it. I guess you can write her up and put it in her file, but firing her? I like what another post said, why do we find it so difficult to take care of eachother? Why is it about firing her, her losing her license, etc? I just think its ridiculous that a person can make one mistake where no one was hurt, and her job is in jeopardy. Again, I really appreciate my situation, this would never happen.

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.

Maybe somebody could have gone looking for her sooner or did somebody want her to get into trouble. What about team nursing and supporting our team members??? should we sack everybody who makes mistakes, there is a thread running at the moment which concerns me more, read this threadhttps://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123158. This girl got so much compassion is that because she is asking for help or because she is isn't discussing another work colleegue??

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.
So because you have never seen it, that means that harm to a pt as a result of sleeping can never happen??? Now that's faulty reasoning....

Really! In my experience there are some dangerous nurses walking around wide awake.Faulty reasoning? Please explain.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
Maybe somebody could have gone looking for her sooner or did somebody want her to get into trouble. What about team nursing and supporting our team members???

It is not up to the other "team members" to make sure she's doing her job. They have enough to do already.

I'm all for supporting team members, but if i fell asleep on the job, i would not be expecting my co-workers to cover for me, nor would i want them to.

Specializes in Cardiac.
I don't see how a punitive "punishment" would solve anything at all here.

It helps (or should I say, harms) the liability of the hospital should this nurse continue working, fall asleep again, and real harm falls on her pt.

Specializes in MedSurg/OrthoNeuro/Rehab/Consultant.
I have 17 years of experience I manage a ward and have responsibility for 25 members of staff and I have never known a patient to loose their life because a nurse nodded off. I agree that it is not acceptable for a nurse to fall asleep on duty correct me if I am wrong but if a ventilated patient arrested would the alarm not sound on the machine. If this was brought to me to deal with I would not recommend this nurse be disciplined unless there were other problems with her practice.

I agree. Sleeping on the job is not ideal, but I don't think most nurses feel that is is OK to sleep on the job. People are human beings that make mistakes. If this was something that was routinely happening, that's a different story. JMHO.

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.
It is not up to the other "team members" to make sure she's doing her job. They have enough to do already.

I'm all for supporting team members, but if i fell asleep on the job, i would not be epecting my co-workers to cover for me.

Do you not have a team nursing spirit in America? Do you not support your colleegues?

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
I just think its ridiculous that a person can make one mistake where no one was hurt, and her job is in jeopardy.

No one was hurt, yet they could have been.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
Do you not have a team nursing spirit in America? Do you not support your colleegues?

Please don't ask me if people in the USA have a team nursing spirit. I can only answer for myself, and for what i perceive my place of work to have.

And i already said i'm all for supporting team members, you quoted that part when you quoted my post.

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.
No one was hurt, yet they could have been.

But they weren't.

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.
Please don't ask me if people in the USA have a team nursing spirit. I can only answer for myself, and for what i perceive my place of work to have.

And i already said i'm all for supporting team members, you quoted that part when you quoted my post.

why can I not ask? You say you would fire this nurse, period.

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