What punishment should this nurse get? - page 3

Had an interesting situation that came up and thought I'd throw it out for discussion. One of our staff RNs was found sitting in a chair and sleeping at the bedside of one of our ventilator... Read More

  1. by   madwife2002
    Maybe somebody could have gone looking for her sooner or did somebody want her to get into trouble. What about team nursing and supporting our team members??? should we sack everybody who makes mistakes, there is a thread running at the moment which concerns me more, read this threadhttp://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123158. This girl got so much compassion is that because she is asking for help or because she is isn't discussing another work colleegue??
  2. by   madwife2002
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    So because you have never seen it, that means that harm to a pt as a result of sleeping can never happen??? Now that's faulty reasoning....
    Really! In my experience there are some dangerous nurses walking around wide awake.Faulty reasoning? Please explain.
  3. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Maybe somebody could have gone looking for her sooner or did somebody want her to get into trouble. What about team nursing and supporting our team members???
    It is not up to the other "team members" to make sure she's doing her job. They have enough to do already.

    I'm all for supporting team members, but if i fell asleep on the job, i would not be expecting my co-workers to cover for me, nor would i want them to.
  4. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from bbrobozio
    I don't see how a punitive "punishment" would solve anything at all here.

    It helps (or should I say, harms) the liability of the hospital should this nurse continue working, fall asleep again, and real harm falls on her pt.
  5. by   SandraJean
    Quote from madwife2002
    I have 17 years of experience I manage a ward and have responsibility for 25 members of staff and I have never known a patient to loose their life because a nurse nodded off. I agree that it is not acceptable for a nurse to fall asleep on duty correct me if I am wrong but if a ventilated patient arrested would the alarm not sound on the machine. If this was brought to me to deal with I would not recommend this nurse be disciplined unless there were other problems with her practice.

    I agree. Sleeping on the job is not ideal, but I don't think most nurses feel that is is OK to sleep on the job. People are human beings that make mistakes. If this was something that was routinely happening, that's a different story. JMHO.
  6. by   madwife2002
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    It is not up to the other "team members" to make sure she's doing her job. They have enough to do already.

    I'm all for supporting team members, but if i fell asleep on the job, i would not be epecting my co-workers to cover for me.
    Do you not have a team nursing spirit in America? Do you not support your colleegues?
  7. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    I just think its ridiculous that a person can make one mistake where no one was hurt, and her job is in jeopardy.
    No one was hurt, yet they could have been.
  8. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from madwife2002
    Do you not have a team nursing spirit in America? Do you not support your colleegues?
    Please don't ask me if people in the USA have a team nursing spirit. I can only answer for myself, and for what i perceive my place of work to have.

    And i already said i'm all for supporting team members, you quoted that part when you quoted my post.
  9. by   madwife2002
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    No one was hurt, yet they could have been.
    But they weren't.
  10. by   madwife2002
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    Please don't ask me if people in the USA have a team nursing spirit. I can only answer for myself, and for what i perceive my place of work to have.

    And i already said i'm all for supporting team members, you quoted that part when you quoted my post.
    why can I not ask? You say you would fire this nurse, period.
  11. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from madwife2002
    Really! In my experience there are some dangerous nurses walking around wide awake.Faulty reasoning? Please explain.
    I did explain. To say that because you have not seen a situation occur in the past means it won't occur in the future is faulty reasoning. So when your spouse in the the hospital and you walk into the room and your nurse is asleep--that's OK with you?????

    Yes, I agree that there are many poor nurses walking around awake. But your critical thinking skills are heavily impaired while asleep. Also, you should monitor you pt BEFORE your vent alarms tell you the pt has extubated himself. What if his vitals were trending downward? Nurses need to monitor pts before the alarms do! Come on! This is basic stuff...
  12. by   HappyNurse2005
    Well,what would you think if a nurse on night shift, while her paperwork was caught up and her patients were sleeping walked off the floor and was gone for 2 hours? If that was the case, there would be a lot more upset, i imagine.

    same thing. she was, for all intents and purposes, gone for those 2 hours. Since she had a vent pt, i imagine this was an ICU or PCU, where hte pt's need frequent monitoring, but their nurse was unavailable for 2 hours.

    I would fully support a nurse taking a nap on her break, on her OWN unpaid time. but to fall asleep onthe job is highly unprofessional and dangerous.

    I am sympathetic to those who make mistakes. But I think this was a mistake of larger proportions-the potential for harm was great.
  13. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from madwife2002
    But they weren't.

    I am aware of that, and it doesn't change my opinion of this particular situation.

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