Verbal, Written Warnings and Termination

Health care employees are worried or concerned they may be on the ladder of warnings, from verbal warning to written warnings with termination not far up. For many this is not an unrealistic fear, it is something which is affecting their daily working life and erodes into their home life. This is the nurse's guide to warnings and what to do when you get them. Nurses General Nursing Article

I know a lot of healthcare employees are worried or concerned they may be on the ladder from a verbal warning to written warnings and then fired. For many, this is not an unrealistic fear it is something which is affecting their daily working life and erodes into their home life.

For some employees, it is something which occurs out of the blue and was totally unexpected, for some they are expecting it to happen because of an incident which has to happen either by human error or an unfortunate series of events, but for most it is a devastating situation when it occurs.

Warnings, verbal or written, are usually part of the employer's policy and are not written into law in your state. Most states have "at will" employment where you can quit for any reason at any time, or your employer can fire you for any reason at any time.

So what are verbal warnings? They tend to be the initial step in the progressive discipline process. A verbal warning is an oral notice to an employee that he or she is not meeting expectations or that his or her behavior is inappropriate in the workplace.

A verbal warning may be an appropriate response to situations including:

  • inappropriate behavior that if repeated could lead to a written warning
  • use of derogatory language
  • tardiness
  • failure to follow hospital practices/policies

The next step is a written warning if poor work performance or a behavioral problem continues after an employee receives a verbal warning, a supervisor may need to employ a more serious measure.

A written warning might be an appropriate response to situations such as:

  • failure to comply with a verbal warning
  • insubordination
  • frequent absenteeism
  • in some instances, a written warning may be appropriate without a prior warning or a record of a prior offense.

Wikipedia quotes termination as

Involuntary termination is the employee's departure at the hands of the employer. There are two basic types of involuntary termination, known often as being "fired" and "laid off." To be fired, as opposed to being laid off, is generally thought of to be the employee's fault, and therefore is considered in most cases to be dishonorable and a sign of failure. Often, it may hinder the now job-seeker's chances of finding new employment, particularly if he/she has been fired from earlier jobs. Job-seekers sometimes do not mention jobs which they were fired from on their resumes; accordingly, unexplained gaps in employment, and refusal to contact previous employers are often regarded as red flags.

Termination of employment - Wikipedia

So what should we do if faced with a verbal warning?

We should see it as an opportunity to change whatever behavior is deemed inappropriate in our work environment. We might not always agree with what we are being accused of but at least you are being given a chance to change. You should take notes and not commit the meeting to memory, you can review them later when you are alone with time to think. If nothing else they can be the "before" point as you start a process of personal growth.

If your boss doesn't suggest a feedback appointment, ask for an appointment to discuss your progress at a reasonable interval. See this as a continuing dialogue, not just a one-time slap on the wrist.

Not all warnings are fair or appropriate. If the above steps have been taken and you were treated unfairly, you might want to talk to your boss or HR about the warning. Although it is just the first stage of discipline, it does go on your record so you shouldn't blow it off. If the situation persists unfairly, make sure your resume is up-to-date.

If you are given a written warning then you will have an opportunity to read then write your own comments, you are expected to sign a written warning and this is an area of concern for most people, are you signing to say you agree with what is written or are you signing to say you are acknowledging receipt of the written warning?

You are actually signing receipt of the written warning and not that you agree with what is written, many employees do refuse to sign written warnings. Hopefully, your manager would explain this to you.

During the course of my research, I found it interesting that there were more articles advising the employer how to discipline their employees than useful articles to help the employee work through their issues and what to do if they receive verbal or written warnings.

If you do find yourself in one of the above positions it is worthwhile to do a search on stress and how to manage stress, these articles do offer useful advice which will help you improve your working life and in turn will help you change which will in turn probably meet the work disciplinary requirements.

If you are reading my blog because it is something which is affecting your life at this time, the document, document, form a positive action plan implement an action plan and see it as a positive allowing you to change and improve.

Good luck

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No apolgy needed for ur "thesis" it was informative. What's PIC? I was terminated from my first n only nursing job just under a year, I can't fib about it cuz it's on my GroupOne Report, I'm in Dallas, TX, it shows all my employers, dates of employment, & reasons for separation. My big question to u, how did you get unemployment? I haven't tried cuz I don't think I will get it d/t the circumstances. That would help me extremly a lot rite now!! Have you obtained a new job yet? What did you tell potential employers???

Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.

I have moved state recently and since arriving have picked up every bug know to mankind I feel sure in the near future my employers will have no choice but to 'fire' me. I will definatly be honest if asked why as I know myself and it will come back and bite me!

You cannot lie to prospective employers. They will find you out and that alone is cause for termination. In PA at least you can collect unemployment if they decide after investigating that you were not guilty of deliberate misconduct. They ask you detailed questions such as how much orientation did you have, etc. If you stole or were chronically late or something that is clearly against the rules, you cannot get unemployment. If they fire you for weak reasons such as a poor job eval you may be eligible. Go to the unemployment office and apply. The most they can say is no.

You can plan for how to answer questions that come up about your previous position. You are entitled to state your opinion of what happened. For example, "I was unhappy from the beginning. I did not like the job but I thought it would get better. They were not satisfied with my performance, perhaps they could tell that I was unhappy, and they let me go". Or "I was not clinically experienced enough to be successful in such a position. I thought I was ready to be a charge nurse in a fast-paced ICU, but I was overwhelmed. They did not have time to support me as I learned the ropes and I was let go".

More and more people are being fired these days. And the higher up you move, the more likely that you will be fired. Sometimes we keep making the same mistakes over and over. You have to come to grips with the fact that you have made mistakes also. You have to learn from it. It is very painful to admit our mistakes, but we are all human. I believe that there is a right place for everyone. No job is ever perfect, but you have to find what imperfections you can live with.

I don't think employers really care about people anymore. Being fired gives you sort of a PTSD. You can never trust again. But you can learn from it if you let yourself.

Specializes in Med Surg,.

I knwo we have power. we are not useing our strength. we could turn all of this harrasment around with a nurse union. an international nurses union. we have no one fight for us.

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.
I know we have power. We are not using our strength. We could turn all of this harassment around with a nurse union. An international nurses union. We have no one fight for us.

International unions would need one heck of a lot of lawyers....... not to mention linguists.

Try turning around the last sentence by adding the word "fair" before the "for". More is accomplished by working together for resolution of our differences, and that sure saves money. It all depends on how our intention to get what we SAY we want vs what we DON'T say we want.

It's important to realize that the intention of lawyers is to find conflict, so they can afford their cars and home, just as it seems to be doctors' intention to find sick people, make them more sick and then attempt to heal them.

Unions thrive by organizations that think only of their side of the equation.

Where's my old '60s T-shirt that says, "Make Peace, Not War? :yeah:

did you actually see your groupone report, twu_nurse2b ?

on their site it says they do not ask the termination reason. the most it should say is whether you were fired or quit is what i understand, not the reason. maybe not even that.

I did get a copy of it. My GroupOne report states termination d/t unsatisfactory job experience...

I honestly am not surprised at all what happened to you and how you were treated. People do not want to here there is an overabundance of nurses and no jobs. Because they don't "need" you - there are a million others "needing" that job - they have fun firing nurses and showing you how incompetent you are. It's power trips and play. Look how many nurses they went through...

I think you were extremely brave to stay and take on that responsibility and you have a lot of drive to try to make it work. Too bad they didn't see that.

I can only suggest that you continue to your education into green energy field. We cannot depend on foreign oil for energy. We are financing the war against us by doing so. That is the future - not nursing. There are so many nurses who can't find jobs that your competition is not going to ease up in the next decade.

Good luck.

Specializes in 7 yrs Peds/ 3 yrs adult med-surg.

I work at a hospital that preaches infection control and does not allow visitors if they have any symptoms of illness, yet the same is not true with staff. There are NO excused absences at the facility where I work, none period. We have had nurses go into labor while at work and have to leave to go have their baby and been written up because they did not complete their shift. It is INSANE! I have worked with strep throat and 103 fever, sick as crap and taking care of pediatric oncology patients. This is in the state of NC. I have also worked at a unionized hospital in NY and it was the complete opposite. If you had a legitimate problem, brought in a doctors note, whatever, you did not get in trouble. I am FED UP with working sick and miserable just so I don't get written up. I wish we could get a union in where I work, but everyone thinks I'm nuts and tells me not to even say that word around here or the administration will find a way to get rid of me. I feel like it is putting patients in danger when we work sick. We had one oncology pt die from contracting swine flu DURING his hospital stay. What can we as nurses do about stuff like this? It makes me feel like my hands are tied. I am the sole provider for my family and 2 of my family members have severe mental illness and I am stuck here because of the probability that I would not be able to insure them again because of pre-existing illness clauses. Anyway I just wanted to tell others what I'm experiencing. Maybe someone out there know how to approach something like this.:mad:

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.

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Unfortunately you've ended up at a facility that is severely out of compliance with JHACO, or may be operating without the need for conforming to its requirements.

Those who share your concern should write a letter opposing any policy allowing any staff member to work while ill. Be sure to include the written policy that says that. The letter should be sent to the Chairperson of the Infection Control Committee there, and CC'd to the Board of Nursing and County Health Department.

However in some facilities, it's a hidden policy, with written displayed notices that deny it. In that case, the same letter needs to include the information regarding those who may have been "disciplined" when they called in sick; and any evidence of approval by management of nurses who work while sick.

That is a woeful situation, one that MUST be corrected!!

Specializes in med surg, cardiac step down, rehab, geri.

It is amazing how many unethical nurse managers lurk in LTC settings

they are on day shifts and have the ears of the administration and DON

the off shifts have no say, and are back stabbed daily by nurses with low self esteem a streak of jealousy and a snake in the grass personality

they lie and cry to the bosses and smile at their victims

we see it all the time in Massachusetts

what they fail to notice is a rise in lawsuits civil and class actions bullying is cause for a suit

lying is a cause slander and libel will not win

oh you may be fired beacuse of one of these bullys but do not lay down and take it

sue the employer and the bully a good lawyer will get you their house and perhaps when the board of nursing is finished with them they'll be asking paper or plastic at their next job

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.
It is amazing how many unethical nurse managers lurk in LTC settings

they are on day shifts and have the ears of the administration and DON

the off shifts have no say, and are back stabbed daily by nurses with low self esteem a streak of jealousy and a snake in the grass personality

they lie and cry to the bosses and smile at their victims

we see it all the time in Massachusetts

what they fail to notice is a rise in lawsuits civil and class actions bullying is cause for a suit

lying is a cause slander and libel will not win

oh you may be fired beacuse of one of these bullys but do not lay down and take it

sue the employer and the bully a good lawyer will get you their house and perhaps when the board of nursing is finished with them they'll be asking paper or plastic at their next job

Then why did Massachusetts ignore the fact that health care reform, with increased monitoring of those LTCs would be enacted with a Democratic Senator? They voted for a Republican one, who will advance insurance companies' greed, lobbying, and increase costs of care while resting back on what has always been the way of health care? :mad: