the term "animal nurse" - page 2

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  1. by   sharann
    After seeing the rejects that tend to go into nursing school (they aren't expected to have to know NEARLY the amount of crap that we are), I think it's an insult to call ourselves nurses. As students, we tend to be a LOT more knowledgable about drugs, interactions, emergency care and general nutrition for *multiple* species and the majority of the people I had my general and microbiology courses with were lucky to be able to tell you the functional and organizational compartments of a living *cell*. Being in school for this field has terrified me of what human nurses need to know and typically know.

    Quite frankly, a human nurse that says it's off base for veterinary technicians to be refered to as 'veterinary nurses' is completely ignorant of the expected and defined role that they and we take. They claim that the reason we shouldn't be referring to ourselves as nurses is because people might get confused and think we can provide care to humans as well (nevermind the fact that WE are responsible for knowing what we can and cannot legally do and that we have nice nifty little letters at the end of our names that tell what KIND of nurse we are, much like doctors do - besides the fact, why are they so uptight about this, but chiropractors can call themselves doctors and offer medical consultations WITH NO MEDICAL BACKGROUND?). It also sounds like the majority of these ignorants need to get laid and get over a title.

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    *goes off to find Japanese gummies and ice cream*
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    Well, being such an ignorant loser who needs to "get laid" I am dumbfounded over this. I don't really care what they call themselves. Just wait until they go through the 2 yr vs 3 yr vs 4 yr debates and then there is a DVN (Doctorate of Vet nursing) degree...or is there already, being ignorant and all
  2. by   PedsNurse1981
    1. My chiropractors are graduates of medical school which would make them...DOCTORS!

    2. Why are nurses the worst pet owners? Do we treat our pets badly or do we make you uncomfortable???

    *Side note on this issue...I had a HORRIBLE experience at my previous vet's office with the vet herself and the techs. Being as young as I am, I'm usually treated like a 12 year old, and at the vets office was no exception. Never in this whole experience did I let them know that I was a nurse. They treated my cats horribly and didn't explain to me anything they were doing to him while he was sick. The vet expected me to restrain my 15 pound cat while she gave him fluids. All I expect is to be treated with respect because I certainly gave them the respect they deserved. I treat my pets wonderfully and they now receive excellent vet care. Why do you say nurses are the worst pet owners?
  3. by   PedsNurse1981
    Quote from sharann
    After seeing the rejects that tend to go into nursing school (they aren't expected to have to know NEARLY the amount of crap that we are), I think it's an insult to call ourselves nurses. As students, we tend to be a LOT more knowledgable about drugs, interactions, emergency care and general nutrition for *multiple* species and the majority of the people I had my general and microbiology courses with were lucky to be able to tell you the functional and organizational compartments of a living *cell*. Being in school for this field has terrified me of what human nurses need to know and typically know.

    Quite frankly, a human nurse that says it's off base for veterinary technicians to be refered to as 'veterinary nurses' is completely ignorant of the expected and defined role that they and we take. They claim that the reason we shouldn't be referring to ourselves as nurses is because people might get confused and think we can provide care to humans as well (nevermind the fact that WE are responsible for knowing what we can and cannot legally do and that we have nice nifty little letters at the end of our names that tell what KIND of nurse we are, much like doctors do - besides the fact, why are they so uptight about this, but chiropractors can call themselves doctors and offer medical consultations WITH NO MEDICAL BACKGROUND?). It also sounds like the majority of these ignorants need to get laid and get over a title.

    </end rant>
    *goes off to find Japanese gummies and ice cream*
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    Well, being such an ignorant loser who needs to "get laid" I am dumbfounded over this. I don't really care what they call themselves. Just wait until they go through the 2 yr vs 3 yr vs 4 yr debates and then there is a DVN (Doctorate of Vet nursing) degree...or is there already, being ignorant and all
    I hope you are healthy and never require medical care because according to you, you'd basically have to have a vet tech to take care of you because us human nurses aren't competent.
  4. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from PedsNurse1981
    I hope you are healthy and never require medical care because according to you, you'd basically have to have a vet tech to take care of you because us human nurses aren't competent.
    Um, who are you directing this at, the vet techs, or human nurses?
  5. by   PedsNurse1981
    Quote from LPN2Be2004
    Um, who are you directing this at, the vet techs, or human nurses?
    Vet techs of course. Why would I direct such a statement at human nurses?
  6. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from PedsNurse1981
    Vet techs of course. Why would I direct such a statement at human nurses?
    Just wondering, sometimes things run together.
  7. by   RNPATL
    Quote from Clarvina Streisand
    I thought this might be of interest to some of us...

    http://www.livejournal.com/community...ch/201785.html
    I am certain that every nurse on this forum sacrificed a great deal to achieve their degree, whether it be an ADN, BSN or MSN. I completely support nurses protecting and defending their title. We have earned that right! There are far to many "wanna bes" out there that use the title of nurse illegally. The use of the title nurse is trusted by the public and should be reserved and protected for those that are duly licensed to use it. I for one am amazed at the protest from the vet techs and how insulting they are to nurses. I am certain this group of people represent a very, very small precentage of vet teach, but what a shame that their nasty message about nurses could be so far reaching.

    I agree with some of the other posters ..... they will see once their loved one's life is hanging by a string, the EXACT role an function of a real nurse. However, it is a real shame that it is going to take that type of life experience for some of these people to grow up. Shame
  8. by   PedsNurse1981
    Quote from RNPATL
    I am certain that every nurse on this forum sacrificed a great deal to achieve their degree, whether it be an ADN, BSN or MSN. I completely support nurses protecting and defending their title. We have earned that right! There are far to many "wanna bes" out there that use the title of nurse illegally. The use of the title nurse is trusted by the public and should be reserved and protected for those that are duly licensed to use it. I for one am amazed at the protest from the vet techs and how insulting they are to nurses. I am certain this group of people represent a very, very small precentage of vet teach, but what a shame that their nasty message about nurses could be so far reaching.

    I agree with some of the other posters ..... they will see once their loved one's life is hanging by a string, the EXACT role an function of a real nurse. However, it is a real shame that it is going to take that type of life experience for some of these people to grow up. Shame
    Very well said
  9. by   KMSRN
    Nuring is legally defined by the state boards of nursing. Anyone can't just decide to call themselves a nurse any more than they can just decide to call themselves a doctor. I don't know what the education level of a vet tech is, but if it is comparable to nurses and they want to be called veterinary nurses or some such name, that is fine with me.
  10. by   Ortho_RN
    Quote from KMSRN
    Nuring is legally defined by the state boards of nursing. Anyone can't just decide to call themselves a nurse any more than they can just decide to call themselves a doctor. I don't know what the education level of a vet tech is, but if it is comparable to nurses and they want to be called veterinary nurses or some such name, that is fine with me.
    Yeah MOST techs do have a degree, and associates degree... I have one, and I had to sit for a state board exam to get my "license" to practice as a Registered Vet. Tech, so all in all they do go through the education... Trust me I actually thought nursing school was easier than vet tech school... At least in nursing school you only need to know one species, whereas in Vet Tech school you have to learn every species and breed, cause alot of breeds have their own special problems...

    I think honestly most vet techs get upset b/c they (most) do work their butts off to help save everyones furry children... And usually get NO respect for it or gratitude. I have stayed at the clinic all night laying on a blanket on the floor outside of the cage of a Rottweiler who needed fluids constantly and was about to die.. The family didn't want the dog to be alone, so I stayed... Did I get paid.. NOPE.. The vet said it was my choice... And everyone who has animals needs to realize that usually the person fighting for your pet is the Vet Tech, just as we as nurses are advocates of our patients... So if they have gone to school taken an exam and want to call themselves a Vet Nurse.. Then more power to them...
  11. by   sharann
    Erm, PEDSNURSE1981, you realize that I copied the thread from the other forum to lay it out? That I am a nurse and my comments were BELOW the dotted line? Just checking
  12. by   gypsyatheart
    Wow! I had no idea there was such a debate. They sound like a bunch of very young people, very ignorant as to what nurses do. I had no idea there was such resentment however. Kind of makes me look at the techs in my Vets ofc in a different light...they seem so nice...but I don't think they know that I'm a nurse. Hmmmm.....
  13. by   Idiopathik
    Quote from PedsNurse1981
    1. My chiropractors are graduates of medical school which would make them...DOCTORS!

    2. Why are nurses the worst pet owners? Do we treat our pets badly or do we make you uncomfortable???

    *Side note on this issue...I had a HORRIBLE experience at my previous vet's office with the vet herself and the techs. Being as young as I am, I'm usually treated like a 12 year old, and at the vets office was no exception. Never in this whole experience did I let them know that I was a nurse. They treated my cats horribly and didn't explain to me anything they were doing to him while he was sick. The vet expected me to restrain my 15 pound cat while she gave him fluids. All I expect is to be treated with respect because I certainly gave them the respect they deserved. I treat my pets wonderfully and they now receive excellent vet care. Why do you say nurses are the worst pet owners?


    Well, are you sure your chiropractors went to MED school, as in allopathic or osteopathic medical school? If they don't have M.D. or D.O. after their name, they most likely did not go to med school, but chiropractic school, with a D.C. after their name (doctor of chiropractic). Definitely not the same thing. Just like a podiatrist isn't a medical doctor, but a doctor of podiatry.

    As for the nurses being the "worst pet owners", I never said that was true, just that it is a very common attitude among vet med people, don't exactly know the reason why, although I suspect it is because an RN will question things more and not just hand over the cash and say "do whatever"...

    On a side note, I think you all should be aware of a "hot topic" in vet med currently - the use of yearly vaccinations for dogs and cats. Multiple studies have shown that immunizations given in the puppy or kitten series have long lasting immunity, and annual vaccinations are not necessary. There are also negative side effects from all this over-vaccination, namely, vaccination-induced sarcomas in cats, and hemolytic anemias in dogs, caused by immune hyperstimulation. Some vets are taking the high road now and telling their clients about this, though others are not and are continuing to promote and require annual vaccinations. It is the "bread and butter" of a regular vet practice so to speak, it gets people in the door where they can then diagnose other issues like ear infections (would need to be treated anyway, not a bad thing per se), and they can then try to sell shampoos, Rx pet food, dental cleanings, etc. Take away the annual vax and you remove a significant chunk of the clinic's daily appointments. Also, if your vet tries to tell you that the AVMA (vet equivalent of AMA) doesn't have any specific protocols established yet, and there is no harm done, or some other such nonsense, seek another vet for your pets, one with ethics! They all know this is the truth, none of the 30+ vets I have worked with have vax'ed their own animals yearly EVER. Think about it, do humans need vaccines every year for life? Of course not, and neither do your animals!

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