The Plague of 1348-1349

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Black Death study lets rats off the hook

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/17/black-death-rats-off-hook

Now, what disease do you suppose could possibly spread that fast, and that far, in autumn to early spring?

Very efficient human to human spread, and very high mortality, it's all very interesting, and disturbing to not know the answers.

"The evidence just isn't there to support it," said Barney Sloane, author of The Black Death in London. "We ought to be finding great heaps of dead rats in all the waterfront sites but they just aren't there. And all the evidence I've looked at suggests the plague spread too fast for the traditional explanation of transmission by rats and fleas. It has to be person to person – there just isn't time for the rats to be spreading it."

He added: "It was certainly the Black Death but it is by no means certain what that disease was, whether in fact it was bubonic plague."

As the disease gripped – in October 1348 rather than the late summer others suggested, reaching its height in April 1349 – the numbers of wills soared as panic-striken wealthy citizens realised their deaths were probably imminent.

Mortality continued to rise throughout the bitterly cold winter, when fleas could not have survived, and there is no evidence of enough rats.

(hat tip crofsblog)

Nerd, I hope you can appreciate this for it's own sake....if you are the kind of nerd that I am, you probably will....

http://www.snopes.com/language/literary/rosie.asp

Turns out "atichoo, atichoo, we all fall down" makes for a fine allusory description of pneumonic plague, but in fact, did not originate with the Black Plague.

Does anyone else find it disturbing that we played this game as school children? When I grew up and learned what the heck "ashes, ashes we all fall down" (as I learned it) I was a little irritated, and disturbed....what kind of teachers do we suppose we had that let us play that scary little rhyme/game? and yes...we all fell down, and thought it was afine game. Anyone remember the rest of the words?

I am puzzled as to why anyone would expect to see piles of dead rodents. Rats have incredible immune systems.

Exactly and they are the CARRIERS of it, the vectors, not suseptible to it. (correct?)

Does anyone else find it disturbing that we played this game as school children? When I grew up and learned what the heck "ashes, ashes we all fall down" (as I learned it) I was a little irritated, and disturbed....what kind of teachers do we suppose we had that let us play that scary little rhyme/game? and yes...we all fell down, and thought it was afine game. Anyone remember the rest of the words?

No more disturbing than any of the other little ditties commonly sung by children.

"Lizzie Borden took an axe, gave her mother forty whacks. When she saw what she had done she gave her father forty-one"

Or the common bedtime prayer:

"Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep. If I should die before I wake....."

I was like, "hold up there a minute Mother, what was that last bit again"? Die before I wake you said? That's it, I'm up! What time does Johnny Carson come on and I'll be needing lots of coffee! :D

Ring around the rosie (what's a rosie?:D)

Pocket full of posies,

Ashes, ashes,

We all fall down.

Little bunny Foo Foo was no saint, either :)

Little Red Riding Hood

Sleeping Beauty

Snow White

Cinderella

The Roadrunner

Hansel and Gretl

Lots of violent kid stuff :)

Ring around the rosie (what's a rosie?:D)

Pocket full of posies,

Ashes, ashes,

We all fall down.

Little bunny Foo Foo was no saint, either :)

Little Red Riding Hood

Sleeping Beauty

Snow White

Cinderella

The Roadrunner

Hansel and Gretl

Lots of violent kid stuff :)

Loves me some Little Bunny Foo Foo (scooping up the field mice and boppin 'em on the head)!:D

Warning: Do *NOT* pull this to a toddler or young child at the start of a long haul flight unless you wish to mad half way across the Atlantic! *LOL*

Oh, "ring around the roise" described the tell-tale skin marks of the disease (plague). A red ring shaped skin rash.

And I believe that the pocket full of posies referred to the potpourri they carried to mask the smell of death permeating the city.

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Rats eat there dead......why would anything be left behind.....

And I believe that the pocket full of posies referred to the potpourri they carried to mask the smell of death permeating the city.

There are two schools of thought on this.

Some say the pocket full of sweet smelling flowers and or perfumes was to keep away the bad odors which were thought at the time (miasma theory) to spread disease.

Pity it would take ages for modern science to prove foul odors were bad that was true, but only because foul odors normally are emitted from rotting matter which contain lots of disease causing bacteria.

Specializes in ED.

Clearly, it was a sloth of bears.

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