Strike or time to grow up!

  1. I hear so much talk about striking that it scares me to think that there are so many people who would abandon their patients so easily. Maybe in some cases where safety is an issue I could consider striking (after all other methods have failed). I feel that nurses need to stand together more politically but not by striking. There is currently too much fighting between nurses at this point (adn,BSN, MSN, CNA etc.)

    When people strike I hear them talk bad about agency workers (scabs). Does this mean you would like to see no one show up??
    Does this mean you would like to see your patients suffer??
    If so maybe it is time for you to leave nursing....
    Jared
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  2. 58 Comments

  3. by   RNPD
    I saw on another post that you were able to surf the net for SIX HOURS while working a 12 hour shift. Come and work a week with me, where you are lucky to get a meal or bathroom break, and then post again how you feel about nurses on strike.

    Naturally, as I've said many times in the past-if your job is good and you are satisfied, you will have no reason to strike. And I would say that someone who can sit and surf the web for half the night has nothing to complain about. But I am curious-in those 6 hours, you couldn't find ONE thing to do for your patients? No one was scared, or lonely, or in pain, or needed a shoulder to cry on, a back rub, or a hand to hold? You mean to tell me that there was absolutely NOTHING you could have done to make a patient's time a bit more comfortable? How about helping another nurse who may be had a more difficult assignment? Or seeing that the unit was neat and organized. What a wasteful and non productive way to spend a shift when there are people in need.

    Who needs to grow up?

    [ June 16, 2001: Message edited by: RNPD ]
  4. by   fiestynurse
    Time to grow up? Abandon our patients so easily? Like to see our patients suffer?
    Maybe it's time to leave nursing?

    I think it's time for you to educate yourself on the complexity of the issues that you are speaking about. Not that I am calling you an idiot or anything!
  5. by   nurs4kids
    Originally posted by RNPD:
    <STRONG>I saw on another post that you were able to surf the net for SIX HOURS while working a 12 hour shift. Come and work a week with me, where you are lucky to get a meal or bathroom break, and then post again how you feel about nurses on strike.

    Naturally, as I've said many times in the past-if your job is good and you are satisfied, you will have no reason to strike. And I would say that someone who can sit and surf the web for half the night has nothing to complain about. But I am curious-in those 6 hours, you couldn't find ONE thing to do for your patients? No one was scared, or lonely, or in pain, or needed a shoulder to cry on, a back rub, or a hand to hold? You mean to tell me that there was absolutely NOTHING you could have done to make a patient's time a bit more comfortable? How about helping another nurse who may be had a more difficult assignment? Or seeing that the unit was neat and organized. What a wasteful and non productive way to spend a shift when there are people in need.

    Who needs to grow up?

    [ June 16, 2001: Message edited by: RNPD ]</STRONG>
    AMEN!!!
  6. by   Mijourney
    Hi Jared. You spent six hours on the net while at work? What type of nurse are you? Are you in management? If not, what type of unit do you work? Aren't there policies and procedures for monitoring your patients routinely?

    I can appreciate that you are against unions, but some of your posts indicate that you may not have a grip on what's really going on in the patient care arena.
  7. by   fergus51
    OK, a strike is a distict possibility here in the next little while. However, we maintain essential services levels. Our patients are not abandonned. We strike for our patients. We are called greedy because we want a pay raise (top nurses make about 18$ US), people fail to consider the fact that we don't have enough nurses to provide care anymore because they are lured by the better salaries offered in the US.

    We have not been working overtime for almost 2 months and THOUSANDS of surgeries and procedures have been cancelled (despite the fact that the union has allowed almost 3000 hours of OT to be worked in the midst of this ban to care for more urgent cases). I don't know where you work, but we are in a CRISIS. Our employer (the gov't) has its head stuck so far up its a$$ that it doesn't realize we can all move elsewhere and make more money in better conditions. We CHOOSE to stay here and are even willing to strike so that our patients will have someone to care for them in the future. I can't stand other nurses telling me I should leave the profession rather than fight to improve it.

    Come work here in BC Canada for a few months. The starting pay is about 15$ an hour and it will take you six years to make 18 (and we're one of the higher paying provinces). You can care for 12 patients on a surgical floor and work 60 hours+ a week in ICU, PAR, OR, Med surg or L&D. If you do that and tell me you're not risking your patients safety and things are OK, I will denounce strikers right along with you. Something tells me that would never happen though...
  8. by   kennedyj
    Yes some days I get to surf the net when we only have 1 or 2 patients and they are sleeping. I work in the newborn nursery and postpartum unit. When it is slow there really isn't much to do. Really!

    I have also worked 18 hour days when it has been busy. Last week for example. (fixed salary means I get paid the same if I work 40 hrs or 80 hrs a week).

    I work 42 hrs a week and pull call about 4 times a month which I do not get paid if I am called in. We have meetings and additional roles we have to spend time on which are also unpaid.

    I also am working on a dual masters degree. I am a new BSN of less than a year, Work an unpaid 8-12 hour shift in Labor and delivery and also and 8 hr unpaid shift in the perinatology clinic.
    I do this because I like nursing and want to expand my knowledge.

    No....I will never go into management.

    I just get a little irritated when I hear repeatedly people saying...go for it....you go....and all this talk about promoting strikes. In the end the facility can probably care less and the patients get screwed. They just pay more money for agency nurses which they do anyways when they are short. This extra will probably make it more difficult to hire new nurses, give hire on bonuses etc....

    And yes I am on the internet now...

    Lol..
    Jared

    [ June 17, 2001: Message edited by: kennedyj ]
  9. by   Jenny P
    Kennedyj, once you have been at the bedside for 20 or 30 years, maybe you will understand why nurses strike. My hospital offered us a lousy contract which only had a 18% pay raise over 3 years and pushed us to the brink of a strike because we wanted patient safety addressed. Our raises over the last 9 years were eaten up by hikes in the contributions we had to pay for our "benefits", and the hospital was not acknowledging longevity in the contract. The night before the strike, when the hospital found out that they were 98 scabs short for the day shift (when the strike would start at 5:30AM) the hospital agreed to return to the table and offered us a contract that met most of our needs- and we ended up with a 19% raise over 3 years. IF THERE WEREN'T SCABS; THERE WOULDN'T BE STRIKES BECAUSE THE HOSPITALS WOULD HAVE TO BARGAIN IN GGOD FAITH! In other words, it's not the nurses who force the strikes, it's the hospitals who cause them.
  10. by   kennedyj
    I wish I could only get Overtime for all the hard work I do. It must be nice! I envy all of you.
    Jared
  11. by   fiestynurse
    kennedyj, are you on active duty as a military nurse? As an RN do you get an officer's salary? Just curious about your working situation, because something doesn't sound right to me? How long have you actually worked as a nurse? Excuse me if I am asking you for too much personal information about yourself. I am just trying to figure out where you are coming from?
  12. by   -jt
    "Does this mean you would like to see no one show up??"

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!
    Because in the 10 day countdown of the strike notice, if no scabs were going to show up, the hospital would come running back to the table to address the issues we need to address & would compromise more in order to settle, rather than shut down services & lose revenue because they dont have enough nurses to be allowed by the state to remain open. Youd be shocked at fast they come crawling on their knees begging to be given another chance to deal fairly. And when we do, the strike is cancelled before it even starts.

    So be all means - help out those striking nurses & let their employer know you will NOT be showing up!!
  13. by   -jt
    "Hi Jared. You spent six hours on the net while at work? "

    do you think he knows that his employer can track his internet use of the computers at work? I wonder what they'll think about his log-on time spent.


    "I have also worked 18 hour days when it has been busy. Last week for example. (fixed salary means I get paid the same if I work 40 hrs or 80 hrs a week).
    I work 42 hrs a week and pull call about 4 times a month which I do not get paid if I am called in. We have meetings and additional roles we have to spend time on which are also unpaid.
    I also am working on a dual masters degree. I am a new BSN of less than a year, Work an unpaid 8-12 hour shift in Labor and delivery and also and 8 hr unpaid shift in the perinatology clinic."

    Are you crazy??! Why are you selling yourself & US short? Do you realize what we have had to go thru to obtain pay for our worth over the last 20 yrs??? OMG! I feel like Susan B Anthony might have upon hearing that after the suffragettes movement finally won laws to give them what they deserved - the right to vote - young women who became eligible to vote didnt bother! I know you are new but you have a lot to learn about our history, your worth & being taken advantage of. Youre a staff RN with a Fixed Salary??? You dont get overtime pay?? Unpaid call??? UNPAID SHIFTS?????? This is comparable to standing up & giving the MD your seat when he walks into the room. You wouldnt do that (I hope), so why are you doing this?? its the same thing - denigrating yourself & OUR profession. I can tell you that those of us who fought like hell to get what for all nurses what you so willingly disregard, do not apprciate new nurses knocking us back to the 1940's. I hope the schools arent turning them all out like this. If so, we're doomed.


    "I wish I could only get Overtime for all the hard work I do. It must be nice! I envy all of you."

    Dont bother wishing or envying. Its the law so Start demanding. Nobody can use you as a doormat unless you lie down.


    PS
    Hey Fergus......just wondering what you must be thinking about all the nurses who so eagerly jump the strike lines of other nurses here in the good ole USA - land of opportunity. Are you amazed that American nurses wont even stand together to fight the evils that they ALL have in common nation-wide? We must be a laughing stock to your nation of all-for-one nurses who would never cross each others strike lines. Some of us should be ashamed of ourselves, huh?
  14. by   Dplear
    Jt, it is called Military Nursing. You are a member of the armed forces and you do what they tell you end of argumnet. The only time you can disobey an order is if it is an Unlawful order. If they tell you to stay and work extra, you stay and work extra. you get paid a fixed amount everymonth. no matter how much or how little you work, and theyalso do have oplenty of other things to do for you such as Commanders Call...which is MANDATORY, extra duties and base functions which are HIGHLY recommended to do if you want a future in the military. As for doing extra things for patients, as a ruke your patients are a healthy group and there may not be a lot to do for them, and as for tidying up, I know from personal experience when I was stationed in Greece, that if we tried to do stuff like that the greek housejkepers would complain and say we are trying to take thier jobs from them so we were discouraged from doing things like that. There is a world of difference between Military nursing and civilian nursing. In the military in time of war yopu save the least injursed first and then you take care of the most severly injured...a total opposite of ther eal world care...different values also...so please do not judge each other untill you have worked in each others worlsd as I have. I can see jareds point of view. I also know that if you have nothing to do the military really does not care if you surf the net on the computers....

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