Strike or time to grow up! - page 4
I hear so much talk about striking that it scares me to think that there are so many people who would abandon their patients so easily. Maybe in some cases where safety is an issue I could consider... Read More
Jun 20, '01What would your element chief say if he/ she knew what you were supporting as nursing humor? I mean really, I have to assume you are an officer and you've gone through officer's school. Didn't they teach you that you have a certain intergity to uphold, that your bars mean something? All you are showing by your website is crude humor, it might be funny, but since you are signing yourself as a military RN in Europe, you have a duty to uphold your uniform and all it stands for.
Jun 20, '01I wanted this as an experiment or introduction to a discussion of teamwork and how it plays in the workplace. So I picked a topic that I thought would elicit some strong emotions.
By posting this discussion I wanted to see how far nurses would divide amongst each other. I wanted to see if there would be prostrike and non strike at first. Then moved toward views of me being a good motivated nurse or a bad nurse. It was funny to see that after posting what some of my accomplishments were people immediately started judging my character without ever knowing me. Some of the speculations were so specific. Even my comic website was mentioned which was put together as our class 2000 graduation dedication.
You get so many mixed feelings in nursing. It is the same in the military too. You get people who want to teach new nurses and those who want to be better and won't show others their tricks of the trade. In nursing we tend to be very judgemental. We have received new nurses who have had a bad reputation on other floors and even before they arrived you can hear the rumors starting. Everyone may judge them before they ever arrive. I think that if the nursing field would get along better and could accomplish more politically, wage wise, workwise etc.. We have done so much with expanding our scope of practice but could do so much more. But everytime someone gets a little power they forget how things once were or their too busy kissing up to someone higher.
I have found teamwork more effective in critical care areas (just from limited experience) ER, ICU, L&D, NICU and less on the surgical related units. I think it is because you get your individual patients and are expected to swim for yourself. If someone needs help we may think well I have my patients too. Most of the tasks can be done by 1 nurse. In critical areas many tasks require more than 1 nurse.
"we can all be great nurses and when we see those who are not great nurses, it is our responsibility to help them become great nurses. This is achieved by our positive roles"
[ June 20, 2001: Message edited by: kennedyj ]
Jun 20, '01Originally posted by JenKatt:
<STRONG>What would your element chief say if he/ she knew what you were supporting as nursing humor? I mean really, I have to assume you are an officer and you've gone through officer's school. Didn't they teach you that you have a certain intergity to uphold, that your bars mean something? All you are showing by your website is crude humor, it might be funny, but since you are signing yourself as a military RN in Europe, you have a duty to uphold your uniform and all it stands for.</STRONG>
Well you may be right. But I didn't say which military I was in. Could be any (Hogans Heroes, salvation army, Uniformed services of timbuk tu).
But very well I should change it. And ahhhh Officer Basic Course.....the good old days...took my liver 3 weeks to get back to normal size. In my 10 years of military service this was definately the easiest course I have done.
Not that it was all fun and games, however I did spend over $4000 in 2 1/2 months on partying. Although I would probably say it is probably more difficult than Airforce or Naval basic.
Humor is needed everywhere and comes too often in limited quantity. Whether your a peon or the president of the UsA
[ June 20, 2001: Message edited by: kennedyj ]
[ June 20, 2001: Message edited by: kennedyj ]
Jun 20, '01Well, Jared, I have been reading this thread tonight (while doing laundry after midnight here; at home-- I don't ever get to surf the net at work either!), and wondered where you were going with it. I had viewed your website before and felt that it was some sort of a class site or graduation gag site; that's why I hadn't commented on it. You are young (it definitely shows in the website humor), and remind me of my son who often shoots off his mouth and then finds out he should have thought first (he's 22, funny, and bright- and ADHD).
If you were pulling our leg or using this as a research project; you have probably made several nurses quite upset with you. Bedside nursing is hard work and those of us who are still doing it after so many years may not appreciate having our chains pulled just to see how we react.
Strikes are very serious business to all of us; no nurse ever enters into a strike without thinking long and hard about it. I've been there before and am currently working under a contract that was ratified by mistake. With a strike, the patient suffers, the nurse suffers, the family of the nurse suffers, and the hospital suffers. The trust between the nurses and the hospital is shattered, and it takes many years for decent communication to begin again.
You talk about cannibalism (nurses eating their young), stop and think what you just did and give that a name. Don't jerk us around; ASK our opinions and we will answer honestly, and I'm sure the discussion will be even more interesting than this one.
Jun 20, '01You got a lot of replies because this is an issue some of us are facing right now. Again, I'll ask you Jared, what should we do? What is the solution if not striking? We are pretty united, so I don't think teamwork is the problem. So someone tell me what I should be doing to fix things because I am going to meet a recruiter from the States tomorow and if the offer is good I might take it.
Jun 20, '01I would like to mention that I am at work - and am "surfing the net." Also, there are numerous others who do so as well...you know who you are.
But can we please stop with the personal insults????????????????? It gets REAL old REAL quick and starts to speak of your true maturity and intelligence level. Learn to debate, people.
Jun 20, '01PhantomRN, what is so funny? The kid was jerking people around about a topic that is striking (pun intended) too close to home these days. Try being the nurse at Brockton, Minneapolis Fairview Hospitals, or any of the other strikes going on right now! He's so green that he doesn't realize how painful the decision is to go on strike!
Not even the strikebreakers are enjoying these strikes-- their companies are jerking them around with unkept promises of money and bonuses! (not that I feel sorry for them- if they choose to cross the picket lines, they get what they deserve!).
Jun 21, '01"By posting this discussion I wanted to see how far nurses would divide amongst each other. I wanted to see if there would be prostrike and non strike at first. Then moved toward views of me being a good motivated nurse or a bad nurse. It was funny to see that after posting what some of my accomplishments were people immediately started judging my character without ever knowing me. Some of the speculations were so specific."
have you been reading up on the rules of "How to Be a Troll"?
Jun 21, '01Originally posted by kennedyj:
<STRONG>I wanted this as an experiment or introduction to a discussion of teamwork and how it plays in the workplace. So I picked a topic that I thought would elicit some strong emotions.</STRONG>
First, if you were in fact qualified to conduct such an experiment, which I gather from your own postings that you are not, you would know it is extremely unethical to conduct experiments of any kind, including psychosocial ones, on human subjects without their express permission. Secondly, assuming you had the knowledge to extrapolate any sort of data from the responses and analyze them, what are you going to do with that info? Publish it? (Again, unethical without the permission of the participants.) Or was it purely for your own amusement or curiosity?
Sooo---I don't buy it. I think the posters in this thread pinned down, largely from your own responses, pretty accurately who and what you are. Being young, naive, and inexperienced isn't a crime---we all started out there. But it's more than a little presumptious to judge or condemn people who have 20 or 30 times as much experience as you do and have lived and worked through the field's cycles--and evolution--for doing what they can to better working conditions for themselves and their colleagues, and provide safe delivery of patient care.
People come on this board as professionals, to let their hair down, gripe, exchange ideas, information and support, with the expectation that others are here to do the same. I, personally, don't appreciate posters who come here and waste my time trying to start arguments, foment divisiveness, or metaphorically poke me with a sharp stick to see how loud I say ouch. Come here to share, listen and learn, professional to professional, or else just go post some more scatological cartoons on your website.
[ June 20, 2001: Message edited by: Stargazer ]