Question Regarding Nursing Education

  1. Hi Everybody

    I have a question that I hope someone can answer for me....Why is it that we're having accrediation issues, for example someone who goes to nursing school in California might not be able to practice as a nurse in Virginia because Virginia doesn't accept the California school? But yet, we have all these nurses who come from foreign countries who all they have to do is submit transcripts (if they're a practicing nurse) and then they can challenge the board of the state (depending on the state) that they're in? Some states are unwilling to take another nurses education from another state, but yet they're willing to accept someone with foreign education.

    Thanks
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  2. 6 Comments

  3. by   clyen
    I haven't heard of this, other than accredidation from school to school. Once you pass the NCLEX, there should be no problems. Have you passed the NCLEX-RN or NCLEX-PN? For example, I graduated from a Kansas college in December 2006, and I just got my Nebraska license this week after taking and passing my NCLEX. Might be something you need to ask the board of nursing in Virginia why they are so picky.
  4. by   caliotter3
    I think you may be, in part, referring to difficulties people run into when trying to endorse their license or use reciprocity when going from one state to another. Most problems are those of the "red tape" variety and people get impatient with wait and wait and wait some more. This should not be the case now that a lot of the processes are computerized. Many states belong to a group, can't recall the name, that makes it easier to go from state to state. This info can be found on the NCSBN site. Unfortunately, California is not a member of this group. All states can, and do, set their own rules for getting licensed in their respective states. Many yrs ago, I looked into moving to Texas, and was sent a 5 or 6 page questionnaire to fill out before they would even send me the application to get a TX license. And they wanted me to have a TX address first. It seems foreign educated nurses have an easier time b/c employers actually go out of their way in some instances to assist these workers. That is just the way the healthcare industry operates. A big incentive for American employers to offer this extra help is cooperative employees who may be uninformed and very willing to accept low wages. This is a question you need to address to upper mgmt of the big healthcare giants. You wouldn't like the answers. No matter what is stated officially, lower wages and decreased benefits reads the same from place to place and employer to employer. Their attitude is take it or leave it.
  5. by   caliotter3
    I forgot to mention the problem with Excelsior College, a very reputable institution that has helped many become RNs. California and other states are refusing to accept this school for bs reasoning. This is an entire topic in itself. There are plenty of threads addressing this issue which you can research and read. It is a crying shame that this avenue for nursing has been ended. Those with the power to make these decisions certainly had their reasons for doing it. However, don't talk to the run of the mill potential nursing student who is having problems finding a nursing program and ask them to feel sorry about the so-called nursing shortage. One potential nurse who b/c of their personal background who could b/c licensed and start to work, who has had the nursing door closed b/c of these decisions, is one less nurse in the workforce. The Excelsior problem could be another circumstance which you allude to in your original post.
  6. by   NurseCubanitaRN2b
    Yes, I had called Exselsior and the person on the other line stated that a rep from that school is constantly trying to work with California to get the school accreidated once again....I would rather do a nursing school online LVN or RN, doesn't matter....I know that clinicals must be completed at a site which is fine because there are plenty of places that I could attempt to try to go through....I had also called Chamberlain and they told me the samething, California is one of the lucky states that doesn't accept Chamberlain as a school in order to sit for the boards....Which really puzzles me because both schools are in the US and yet they'll accept transcripts from almost any school in the Philippines....which to me doesn't even make any sense because from what I heard from nurses who got their education there....they didn't have to take as many courses as one would here.....But it was stated that they have a longer clinical program than we do...
  7. by   tridil2000
    Quote from caliotter3
    I forgot to mention the problem with Excelsior College, a very reputable institution that has helped many become RNs. California and other states are refusing to accept this school for bs reasoning. This is an entire topic in itself. There are plenty of threads addressing this issue which you can research and read. It is a crying shame that this avenue for nursing has been ended. Those with the power to make these decisions certainly had their reasons for doing it. However, don't talk to the run of the mill potential nursing student who is having problems finding a nursing program and ask them to feel sorry about the so-called nursing shortage. One potential nurse who b/c of their personal background who could b/c licensed and start to work, who has had the nursing door closed b/c of these decisions, is one less nurse in the workforce. The Excelsior problem could be another circumstance which you allude to in your original post.

    there is no nursing shortage.

    hospitals only budget and allow for a certain amount of staff. and it isn't enough. then they look for sympathy when pt care needs aren't met shouting "shortage."

    you work short because they won't give you more staff.
  8. by   tgb3rn
    Quote from caliotter3
    This should not be the case now that a lot of the processes are computerized. Many states belong to a group, can't recall the name, that makes it easier to go from state to state.
    The Nurse compact act, I believe.
    AND EXCELSIOR RULES!!!
    CA is the only state that doesn't take Excelsior grads in some way. Other states have stipulations but you can still get endorsed there. I could care less. I will NEVER live in that state---couldn't pay me enough. Have you ever noticed that 50% of the FREAKS are in CA, the other in 50% in NY? Don't take it wrong those of you that are from there, there are pleanty of people there that I would consider nice "normal" people, but ya got to admit there are WAY to many wacadoooooos there.
    Tom
    And yes I have lived in both places.

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