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OK, just some thoughts here so early in the morning (after work...)

I've been thinking on how we can improve the image of nursing and a couple of thoughts come to mind.

First, what do people think about having a baccelaureate be the entry-level for nursing? (I ask this as an associate degree nurse, who's going to be going for my BSN, so bear with me.) I realize that this has been an ongoing debate for decades, but hear me out. Nurses are constantly looking to get paid more (as we should be), and demanding more respect (as we should be). However, I good-naturedly ask, why should we be expecting those things if the entry-level education requirement is the same as an auto mechanic or a dental hygenist? Granted, we hold people's health (and many times lives) in our hands -- but shouldn't that be even more reason to demand a higher base education? True, with the nursing shortage the way it is, it's not necessarily a practical idea; but perhaps there's a way to grandfather in the existing ADN and diploma nurses and make a transition to the BSN requirement over a few years?

Second, it seems to me that many nurses (at least one's that I work with) are reluctant to get specialty certified in their fields (CCRN, CEN, etc.). Why? Sure, time is frequently a factor (especially if you have kids), but the reason I hear most is that there's no financial incentive from hospitals. So? What better way to reinforce that "a nurse is not a nurse" philosophy that to get specialty certified. Also what better way to impress upon patients, physicians, and the public that we're well educated and masters of our art than to get certification? Doctors love to get certified and credentialed because it increases patient confidence and garners collegue respect. Would it not do the same for nurses? The financial incentive (if you really need one), is that if the public see us as specialists, there will be more public support for paying us as specialists and professionals.

Just my $00.02 worth. Now I'm going to bed... :mad:

. Their knowledge base is much stronger than any ADN nurse unless that nuse has a degree in a science. I am an ADN, my wife is a BSN and she is by far a better nurse than I , because her understanding at the base level of what we are is more developed because of the classes I mentioned. Think before you speak. I understand now what the ANA was trying to say and do I think they just went about it all wrong, like most of the things they do.:D [/b]

There are more then one reason why a nurse's ability to care for patients is better then another. Why not return to school if you feel so strongly this will make a better nurse?

Hi. Yes, attitude is vital to professionalism. If this hasn't already been suggested as an alternative solution, I'm going to suggest that all nurses from LPN to BSN be designated as technical nurses. Before you start snorting steam, read me out. Nursing should establish an ROTC like program at the high school level, enlisting those interested in working in health care, especially nurses, and training them as CNAs. This can start in the junior year of high school. Once graduated, the CNA will have to have at least six months of experience before enrolling in a nursing program of choice. If the CNA wants to remain a CNA, then he/she can do that and as long as the quality of his or her work is improving still be able to see improvements in wages and benefit while seeing increased participation in decisions that affect patient care. Nursing should strongly encourage employers to adopt a clinical career ladder in which nurses can obtain a basic nursing education from any nursing program and either stay where they are or moving to the next level. The professional status would be only assigned to those who have a master's degree in nursing. In order to be admitted to a master's level program, one would either have to have a BSN or a bachelor's or above from another program. Those who have a degree from another area will have to take additional courses normally required for BSN graduates before they could be fully admitted into an MSN program. This will not totally solve the superiority issue, but it may partially do so. If nurses who are financially strapped are assured of support in their educational pursuits that would ensure we will have some nurses willing to move to the professional level which I feel will be desparately needed in the future as our public gets increasingly sophisticated about their health care needs.

Back to professionalism. I feel that nursing could use more nurse support groups maybe moderated by other parties. We have quite a few drug and alcohol addicted nurses and quite a few nurses struggling with other personal issues. I feel that this is the reason why many nurses never achieve the level of professionalism we may be capable of. Many of us that have been at the bedside for a while get to the point where we internalize our work and we have that coupled with our personal problems. Support groups may be meaningful to many of us who feel that we need that special hug or shoulder in person or additional assistance. Ok, let me have it!

BrandyBSN :-)

I understand what you mean but those jobs that require BSN preferred does come with a mangerial position. I am an ADN RN who will be going for my BSN but not for the reasons for people are saying. It is just one of the hoops you have to go through to get where you really want to be.

I don't feel either one is better or the other. But if a RN wants to become an advance nurse practitioner then I would say go for it. Some nurses are better w/leadership qualities but cannot function on the floor and vice versa. I say get your BSN for your own accomplishment. Now with the nursing shortage being so critical having a ADN VS BSN wont matter just have a current RN license

TWO YEARS AGO I WAS NOTIFIED BY MY HEAD NURSE THAT I WOULD HAVE A SENIOR BSN STUDENT FOR A TWELVE WEEK PRACTICUM ON MY OPEN HEART STEPDOWN UNIT.I RECIEVED A THIRTY PAGE DOCUMENT FROM HER COLLEGE OUTLINING WHAT MY QUALIFICATIONS NEEDED TO BE TO BE APPROPRIATE TO TEACH THEIR STUDENT,ONE OF THEM BEING THAT I HAVE A BSN MYSELF. I HAD TWELVE YEARS OF CARDIAC EXPERIENCE, ICU EXPERIENCE AND CCRN CREDENTIAL BUT AN ADN DEGREE. I WENT TO MY MANAGER AND TOLD HER THAT I WAS SORRY I APPARENTLY WASN'T QUALIFIED TO DO THIS ORIENTATION BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THE CORRECT INITIALS AFTER MY NAME.THEY LET ME DO THE ORIENTAION ANYWAY,THE ORIENTEE DID WELL, LEARNED A LOT AND WENT ON TO BE A CARDIAC NURSE.I RECIEVED A LETTER FROM THE COLLEGE THANKING ME FOR HER GOOD EXPERIENCE,TO WHICH I REPLIED THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULD REEVALUATE THEIR PRECONCEPTIONS ABOUT ADN NURSES. WHEN IS THIS BSN VS ADN VS DIPLOMA NONSENSE GOING TO STOP AND WE ALL REALIZE THAT INITIALS DON'T MAKE A BETTER NURSE AND THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE.

You can't possibly suggest that all RN have masters degrees! That should be optional. My ulitmate goal is to obtain my masters degree and in that time I will be an advanced nurse practitioner. That is the beauty of nursing so flexible. Many of us have different reasons for becoming nurses and situations that may not allow us to pursue that endeavor right away. I love nursing and respect others like myself in it. Unfortunately we don't have enough nurses to staff our units. I am pro education I believe no matter what career you chose make education your priority.

Hi there I was a LVN for 4 years and when I went to RN school it was a breeze. The knowledge I learned was enormous. Clinicals were a nonstressor. The realization was that RN school was a big review w/ learning delegating and leadership. The NCLEX-RN for me wasn't bedside but delegation. When I was searching for a job they would not acknowledge my LVN experience. I did it all I worked on med/surg floors, TCU, and PEDS. My role changed because I am "THE NURSE". It is very political and frustrating at times but I wouldn't trade my LVN course for the world. It was the toughest, grueling thing I had ever went through. I say LVNs are true nurses. Good luck in your endeavors I am sure you will make a great RN because you are a great LVN. :--)

Just for hoots and giggles I asked my boyfriend what a nurse does. Mind you, we've been together for over 3.5 years and he knows d@mn well what I do. His answer disappointed me and ticked me off - boiled down to "technician". He could name every skill - injections, wound care, meds passing, IV starting and hanging... But had no clue about trouble shooting, spotting reactions, teaching, advocating (with docs, families, insurance companies...) and all the myriad THINKING AND REASONING things we do so often - regardless of our degree.

My point is that I really feel that unless we as nurses are able to teach the public what we REALLY do, we arent' going to get anywhere. I've been an RN for a little over 5 years now and spent the first 3 years teaching my mother how to utilize my knowledge. Sigh!

I'm convinced that while education and experience are the most important thing, we'll never advance as a profession until we change public perception!

I feel education will only benefit me. And I'm not necessarily talking BSN vs. ASN. I'm sadden hospitals don't look at our education much.

Technology is changing fast. There's constantly new medications. There's always something to learn. And yes all the extra article's I've read and self-education will help me. Help me grow to be a better nurse.

I don't know if I'll ever go for my MSN. But after my kid's grow I plan on taking more classes.

Just a thought. re. KARRN3 post.

Does anyone but me think the that it is because the license to practice nursing comes solely out of the Dept. of EDUCATION, not the Dept of HEALTH (At least in NYS) that these issues about degrees over experience, who really knows what, and who is qualified to teach who arise?

I think that, to some extent, the Dept of ED. is 'working' for the educational/industrial complex.

Or am I just completely off the wall?

Any thoughts?

I have been reading all of the comments about this subject. What's really bothering me is that WHO CARES about what type of "degree" a nurse holds. The only thing that matters is that we all remember that we are here for the benefit of our patients. I am only 23 but I have wanted to be a nurse since I was in elementary. I have spent my fair share of time in the hospital with various relatives who were very ill. I never once cared about what type of degree the nurses had. The only thing that matters is that they know what they are doing and that is all I cared about. I am currently a LPN/ADN nursing student and I don't think I would have it any other way. I thought about a BSN program but for me it was realistically out of my reach at the time. I have worked along side BSN students and nurses and since we are all human and have dif experiences we can all learn from each other. Also I live in Flint, MI and many of our nurses are ADN and there is really no major dif (a few more $) between ADN and BSN. I graduate in May 02 and I plan to work for a year then go back for my BSN but that is because I want to you.

Neither makes you are better bedside nurse than the other. However, the compensation issue is valid. Compare nurses to teachers for a minute. A teacher with an Associates degree still has the certification to teach, they can teach all of the same courses as a teacher, and they might be as good as of a teacher (or better) than a teacher who has a bachelors degree. However similiar their skills are, the bachelor's degree teacher gets paid more. why? as a compensation for further education. Compensation for education occurs in almost every other profession, but not in nursing. That does not make sense to me.

Which state has teachers with associate degrees?

Originally posted by CIY629

I have been reading all of the comments about this subject. What's really bothering me is that WHO CARES about what type of "degree" a nurse holds. The only thing that matters is that we all remember that we are here for the benefit of our patients. I am only 23 but I have wanted to be a nurse since I was in elementary. I have spent my fair share of time in the hospital with various relatives who were very ill. I never once cared about what type of degree the nurses had. The only thing that matters is that they know what they are doing and that is all I cared about

I tend to agree with your message.

For the first time that I can remember, we have wonderful staffing. This has truly influence patient care and I'm happy with all the new coworkers that recently graduated and started on the floor. The reason they are adjusting so well to the floor is partially due to reasonable staffing.

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