Please help new grad - situation with pt (long)

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I am a new ADN grad, started working in a busy postpartum unit in in February of this year, I work nights.

I have always been the type of person to have a "sense" about things and when I ignore it, I am usually sorry later. Could be as benign as driving to at ATM, I get a "feeling" and the machine eats my card. Or as serious as just "knowing" this person is dangerous or is very ill.

For example, I was on my first week of orientation I disagreed with my preceptor on the care of a pt. She said the woman was just "whining", I felt the woman was not properly assessed or taken care of by either her or the MD which did a quick 60 second check. This lady had been restless, c/o pain, teary, slight fever in the 99's. Told me her first c-section scar got infected and she had to go "back to the hospital". Well, two days after she went home she was back in the hospital - septic from an infection. I felt something was wrong but didn't persist.

Sooooooo, you would have thought I would have learned from this situation but in practice I find myself intimidated by doctors and impressed by nurses who have much more experience than I. There is so much I don't know, experiences I haven't had yet. I look to our charge nurse and our mentor to help me. Well, Wednesday night I worked and when I came in the day shift RN immediately said this patient was having troubles and the doctor had been called. This day shift RN has at least 20 yrs experience but has recently returned to the floor after management for many years. She is also new to the postpartum unit.

I came in at 1900 Wednesday night. Day shift RN explained the patient had a lady partsl hysterectomy so no incision, lady partsl packing and a foley inserted. Patient was a 32 y/o and had been c/o pain and feeling of pressure in abdomen. Pt had a hx of IBS, 3 children. Foley was not draining much urine and there were white flecks in urine, which was cloudy. Pt had labs done prior to surgery (Wednesday am) which were WNL. Pt was receiving Clindamycin IVPB q8h. Day RN had pulled the Foley, pt stated she obtained relief from pressure, then RN reinserted, pt stated pressure returned. Foley was draining, but not much. About 30-50cc per hour which we know is adequate but didn't seem like enough given all the fluid this pt had received. Day RN stated this patient was receiving Dilaudid 0.5 mg IV q2h as ordered. At this point I had a bad feeling and called my charge RN to let her know I was going to need assist with this patient. She stated she was busy but would send mentor up to assist me.

I went in and did my assessment with day RN present. Pulses were fine everywhere, pt had pressure stockings on. All VSS were at baseline for pt before surgery, during surgery and all day - no changes. Lungs were clear all fields. Abdomen seemed soft but slightly distended, particularly bladder. Abdomen was slightly tender to touch but not overly so. We did a bladder scan to find 200cc inside (I also rechecked this later in the evening around 2200 with same results - approx 200cc). When I listened to abdomen I heard no bowel sounds at all during the 3-4 minutes I listened but I heard a strong pulse (heartbeat) in all quadrants which I had never heard before. I quietly mentioned this to the day RN and she stated, "I noticed that too". This worried me but I finished my assessment. Stat H&H was ordered over phone to be ready when MD arrived. Hgb was 9.1 down from 12.9 presurgery with an estimated blood loss of only 100cc in surgery! We put this on front of chart to discuss with MD. This worried me quite a bit..

While waiting for MD to arrive, day RN stated she would be there for another half hour so I decided to at least check in with my two other patients who had not been assessed or seen and it was 2000.. Again I voiced concerns about pulsing in abdomen to day RN. Day RN stated she didn't know what this meant. Pt was not emaciated or very thin, she was a normal weight - so what did this mean, I thought? Day RN had no anwers for me. Mentor arrived, went in to assess pt, I mentioned my concerns to her as well re: low H&H, pulsing in abdomen, low urine output, retained urine in bladder, flecks in urine, pressure in abdomen, unrelieved pain. She didn't see anything of note, advised me to wait for MD to arrive.

MD arrived around 2030 to assess pt when I was in doing another assessment of my other pts. Day RN still there so she was with him, she was transcribing the new orders when I went back to nurses' station so unfortunately I never got to talk to MD directly but upon reflection I felt it was more appropriate that day RN speak with him since I had only seen pt once for initial assessment and Day RN had been with pt all day. MD ordered 500cc bolus given over 2 hrs, then to continue 125cc/hr of D5LR, a k-pad (heating pad) to abdomen and repeat H&H in morning. I was not happy when I heard these orders, I had been hoping he would order some sort of scan to search for fluid in abdomen or repeat H&H sooner than the AM. I inquired to both day RN and mentor why this bolus would help and what about H&H, pulsing in abdomen and urine output/retention? Many reasons were given: sometimes you can hear pulsing in thin people, urine output met the minimum, etc. So...

I was still disturbed about this patient but she seemed stable. O2 sats and all vitals good and she seemed relatively comfortable so I went to finish assessments of other patients. Day RN left, mentor stayed with me most of evening on and off. At 2300 MD called to check on patient. I told him that her dose of dilaudid was giving some relief but not completely - and that she still c/o pain/pressure in abdomen. Told him I was concerned about her. He stated to "give it a chance" and medicate as ordered with heating pad. MD felt that the pain in abdomen was due to her IBS. "How could this be?" I thought to myself. "She has no bowel sounds and hasn't all day so how could the pain be due to bowel spasms?" But I didn't say this because again, I thought: do I know more than the MD?

So at this point, her VSS still stable and condition basically unchanged but still I felt uneasy. The mentor told me the Operations Supervisor was coming up in a few minutes. I said, "OH great, to assess pt?" She stated, "No, to bring heating pad." Still, I thought, maybe I'll ask her to take a look at the patient too, just to assess. She arrived, chatting busily on phone, dropped heating pad and wheeled around and left. I could have said something but thought, "Oh well I don't want to bother her"

At midnight after phone call with MD, spoke to charge RN in person this time telling her about foley not draining/retention, H&H low, pain meds not working well, pt uncomfortable, white flecks in urine, Mentioned that I was afraid our director would say I didn't advocate for pt, what could I do, should I do more? She stated MD had assessed pt so I was covered and in addition, mentor had assessed and been with patient several times.. I thought, "Maybe I'M covered but I want the PATIENT to be covered" but I didn't say anything.

Continued with evening, at one point pt stated she felt dizzy. Mentor was with me and we pPut o2 on, her sats were fine, she felt better. Not surprised she was dizzy as she hadn't eaten in nearly 48 hrs and was taking IV dilaudid. Checked for bowel sounds, still nothing but pulsing present, no changes in VS. At 0100 went to lunch but brought my food back to desk so I could keep an eye on her, kept her door open so I could even see in door while charting/eating, etc. The midnight dose of dilaudid/nubain seemed to help her rest and I was hoping she was on the mend.

At approximately 0200 I was dealing with another baby who had a bili of 12.1 coombs + at 44 hrs. I thought it could wait till morning, charge RN advised me to call MD at 0300, who was not pleased. When I gave my report at approx 0400 I again addressed my concerns with charge RN regarding my primary pt but she stated again, "Mentor assessed pt. What did she think?" So I basically shut up. Kept thinking what do I, a lowly new grad with four months' experience know? Do I know more than the MD who saw the lab results, assessed her belly and took a look at her and saw nothing? Better than the charge RN and mentor? So I just watched pt closely. Heating pad provided little relief so I kept bringing her warm baby blankets from warmer to hold to her stomach. This kept me coming in about q30 minutes to give her new ones so this was ok by me. I kept door to her room open through rest of night.

Between 0300 and 0500 pt seemed to be doing better and I got busy with all the charting I didn't do. Mentor recommended I medicate pt with higher dose of dilaudid to see if she obtained relief but I was afraid it would mask symptoms. She ended up having 4 doses of 0.5 mg Dilauded during my 12 hr shift and I felt that was a lot for someone young with a minor surgery. I didn't want her to be in horrible pain but I wanted to see if something suddenly got much worse. So I told mentor no, I was not going to increase the dose/frequency and gave her my reasoning.

6am, the lab did their draw, not a stat draw just timed. At 7:15 they called to say pt's hgb was 6.4. It had dropped from 9.1 to 6.4 in about 10 hrs overnight while she sat in bed. Day RN and I discussed who should call MD (this took about 60 seconds) - she said she should since she would be there when MD arrive. I said I should since I had been with pt the last 12 hrs. I immediately paged MD then, while waiting for a callback, notified charge RN of situation by phone. MD called back and I quickly told him concerns, lab results. He said, "Sounds like she is probably bleeding" I stated, "YES, I THINK SO. WILL YOU COME IN?" He stated he was coming "soon". "WHEN?" I stated. He assured me within the hour... then mentioned he "might" want to take her to the OR. He was ready to hang up when I said, "DR X - DO YOU WANT ME TO PREPARE HER FOR SURGERY??? Order tests?" He said, "Oh yes, type and cross for 2 units" so I immediately put in this order to the lab stat and called to make sure they were coming.

Well I went home late around 0815, lab had just come to type and cross and MD was on route and the same day RN was back on shift assisting pt. Pt was informed of possibility of surgery, consents were being signed. I called when I woke up later that day around 1330 to check, day RN stated pt went to OR and was bleeding internally and lost about 600cc of blood just sitting in her abdomen. They were not able to find active bleeding at that time. Our director of women's services had met with Day RN stating she didn't provide good care and stated she wanted to speak to me also. I was shaking but I called her back to get it over with and speak to her. She felt I had let the patient down and wanted to know precise sequence of events.

I have been thinking about nothing else since. When that woman's husband left that night, he told his wife, "You're in good hands" and went home to sleep, He and his wife (pt) trusted me to advocate for her and I basically just provided comfort care (companionship, medication and positioning/heating pad). All night this pt laid there bleeding with pain not completely relieved. I let her suffer needlessly and she could have bled out. I didn't advocate for her like I should of, I KNEW something was wrong and didn't call that doctor and insist he come back in or order more tests to help her. I feel so bad. I know exactly where I went wrong looking back, what I want to know is tips for being persistant and advocating for the pt without being afraid people will laugh or yell at me if I am wrong. My assessment skills were right on from the beginning, my intuition correct, my interventions good, just my follow through was bad.

Advice?

Melissa

Specializes in Critical Care/ICU.
The highest her pulse ever got was 81 and this was just the latest one I took at 0600 (iit was usually between 60-70) BP ranged between 120s/70s to 100s/60s without much variation over the last two days (pre, during and post surgery)

A heart rate in the 80's may have been high for her and a relection of a combination of pain and blood loss. Anesthesia also does weird things to a person's stress response.

My pleasure in explaining my thoughts on this. Of course a whole book could be written with the details and possibilities I left out, but it's the jist of it that matters.

At any rate, a great experience for you to learn from. And the vocalizing of your hypothesizing will come with time and building your reputation, of the great nurse you are, with the team you work with!

Specializes in Critical Care/ICU.

I wanted to add that I too work in a teaching facility. Many times when talking with docs, especially the residents, it's always a good thing to phrase your suspicions sneaking in your own diagnoses.....like you mention in your hypothesizing...."her urine out is decreased but with some residual, do you think pressure from maybe bleeding could be causing this?" Or, "with the amount of pain meds I've given, you would think that her bp would have responded by dropping some, but it didn't!" Relay and emphasize your feeling of surprise when you say "it didn't!" LOL!!!

In my experience, they LOVE questions like this and it helps to get the wheels turning in their usually burned-out and tired brains.

I would have to agree with bandEmom. you were the one that was wronged and if you had charted everything you did and with whom you discussed this case, then all the nurse manager had to do was read your documentation. This is one time (and I don't say this very often) that the manager that criticized your care of this patient was being a jerk. I don't think you could have done anything defferent and in fact were VERY conscientious in your care of your patient. CUDOS TO YOU. Your instincts are fabulous.

I think your assessment skills are spot on. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS trust your gut. I have finally learned this. :) (well, i learned it quite a few yrs back). I have learned in the yrs that when you think you have a problem with a patient... ask yourself "ok, what am i gonna tell the doctor when i wake him up at 2 am??)." THINK about what was told to you in report (i work nites), and ALWAYS read MD progress notes. I have found that if my GUT tells me nothing to tell the doc... then i continue to moniter. NEVER be afraid to ask the doc something. I figure that i am lucky cos i have a group of the most WONDERFUL oncology docs. And they know that when I am calling them at 2 am, its for a reason! You did wonderful in your assessment. As for calling the Charge nurse at home, no nurse would regularly or usually do that. And your preceptor did not suggest that, and she should have known whether it was ok to call up ones charge RN at home in the middle of the night. I think your Charge RN was wrong to chew you out for your actions when you were working with a preceptor. Maybe you need a new preceptor? When I was a new grad I was basically on my own cos my preceptor was on a totally different shift (it was a weird hospital with no support for new grads). At the moment I have a new grad (of a yr now) who I give much support to, and my manager makes sure that she and I work the same shifts.

anyhow, keep up the good assessment skills.... they can only get better :)

Oh, thank you for taking the time to explain that to me. I understand what you are saying. I was mystified by the VS being stable. The highest her pulse ever got was 81 and this was just the latest one I took at 0600 (iit was usually between 60-70) BP ranged between 120s/70s to 100s/60s without much variation over the last two days (pre, during and post surgery) You did a good job of explaining that to me, thank you.

That was my thoughts about the bladder not emptying and the slow urine output and feeling of pressure - that something was pressing on the bladder or compressing it somehow. This seemed to go with the pulsations I heard in abdomen. I didn't know what this signified but just thinking logically I thought of either fluid conducting the heart tones or a pocket of something (mass, pocket of fluid) compressing an artery or even a vein/artery leaking. The only one I mentioned this hypothesis to was the day RN but I wish I would have gone over this theory with the MD and charge RN too. I did list some/most of the symptoms for them and say I was worried but I didn't try to hypothesize in my conversations with them.

Melissa

i have found that bladder scans will scan more than just bladder. If there is ANY fluid in the abdomen, the bladder scan will read that. I found 800cc on a bladder scan, and what the machine was reading was the ascites fluid in the abdomen. We still called the doc and let him know, he ordered a U/S of the abdomen "just in case". So the bladder scan was prolly most likely reading the blood in the abd cavity.

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