Pet Nurse??

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while i have answered several discussions over the years this is my first thread. my question involves the use of the term "nurse". i thought that the term was protected by law in most states. my understanding was that only people who were rn's or lpn's could use the title nurse. am i wrong?

over the past few years, i have seen ads of a veterinary corporation (banfield) looking for "pet nurses". a typical ad looks like this: taken from the banfield website at http://www.banfield.net/careers/other_positions.asp.

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general function the petnurse supports the veterinarians in ensuring quality veterinary care for all pets, advocates for pets, educates clients on all aspects of pet health, and ensures a safe and effective hospital environment. duties and responsibilities act as the extra eyes, ears and hands for the veterinarian to ensure the best quality pet care and to maximize the veterinarian's productivity. lead veterinarians and veterinary medical team through the cycle of service and communicate with the other team members to maintain the flow of patients. provide professional, efficient and exceptional service at all times. this includes performing procedures that do not require veterinarian assistance, completing preparatory work for other procedures, ensuring that clients and pets are comfortable in the hospital, and monitoring hospitalized or surgical pets. educate clients about optimum wellness plans, preventative care, pet health needs, any diagnosis or treatment, hospital services and other issues. obtain relevant information and history from clients and maintain proper and complete medical charts. ensure the safety of pets, clients and team members by utilizing safe restraining techniques, following standard protocols, and maintaining clean, sterile and organized treatment areas, exam rooms and labs. perform other duties as assigned. petnurse profile working condition: physical ability - ability to work with and around pets (and clients) with complete comfort, confidence and ease (i.e., dogs, cats, birds, reptiles, etc.). ability to regularly stand, and to reach and feel with hands and arms. ability to frequently walk, stoop, kneel, or crouch, and to lift or move up to 50 pounds. work schedule - ability and willingness to work a schedule that may include a variety of shifts, including evening, weekends and holidays, and may vary from week to week based on business needs. required capabilities: compassionate commitment to pet care - clearly, confidently and professionally presents the pet treatment recommendation as an advocate for the pet, gaining the client's agreement to proceed with the treatment best suited to the pet's current condition and long term health. communication skills - reads, writes and speaks fluent english, using appropriate grammar, style and vocabulary. correctly spells commonly used english words and medical terms. fluent in spanish in markets where local population is predominantly spanish speaking. ability to multi-task- manages multiple medical, diagnostic, service and/or administrative tasks at one time; quickly and accurately shifts attention among multiple tasks under distracting conditions without loss of accuracy or appearance of frustration. customer service skills - consistently provides clients and pets with attentive, courteous and informative service. gains and shows personal satisfaction from delivering good service, seeing pet health improve and satisfying clients. problem solving skills- quickly determines when subtle indicators of medical conditions can result in threats to pet health/longevity and questions clients to identify causes; transmits accurate and complete patient medical history and status to the veterinarian verbally and through petware. intellectual ability - accurately and consistently follows instructions delivered in an oral, written or diagram format. mathematical ability - ability to add, subtract, multiply and divide, and to compute rate, ratio and percent; ability to convert units of measurement. computer skills - comfortably and confidently uses a computer and specialized software to check clients in and out, update client and patient records, and conduct and balance daily transactions, among other things. required attitudes: integrity - firmly adheres to the values and ethics of banfield, the pet hospitalĀ®. exhibits honesty, discretion, and sound judgment. cooperativeness - willing to work with others, collaborating and compromising where necessary; promptly shares relevant information with others. initiative - shows willingness and aptitude to use own discretion in taking appropriate steps in finding solutions to problems; presents options and ideas to enhance current processes or procedures. takes on additional responsibility when both big and small tasks need to be done; seeks out the most valuable work to do during times when the hospital faces low client demand. tolerance for stress - maintains a positive "can do" outlook, rebounds quickly from frustrations and unpleasantness, maintains composure and friendly demeanor while dealing with stressful situations. flexibility - is open to changing situations and opportunities within the hospital and is willing to perform all tasks as assigned. is available and willing to work all hours required to ensure hospital functions efficiently. willing to assist other area hospitals as needed. independence - able and willing to perform tasks and duties without constant supervision. education and/or experience high school graduate or equivalent. associate or bachelor degree, veterinary technician certification or licensure or one year of related experience preferred. benefits: pt team members enjoy the following benefits: competitive salary and bonuses 401(k) retirement savings plan employee assistance program basic wellness plans for one pet 20% discount off banfieldĀ® veterinary care not covered by wellness plans 15% discount off qualifying merchandise at petsmart superstores waltham pet food rebate program 15% discount off club rates for "rapid results platinum memberships" and above at most bally total fitness clubs ft team members enjoy the following benefits in addition to the benefits listed above: medical, prescription, dental and vision insurance life insurance for team members and dependents health and dependent care flexible spending accounts short and long-term disability insurance accidental death & dismemberment (ad&d) insurance up to 21 days of paid time off per year basic wellness plans for up to three pets we are a drug-free, smoke-free, equal opportunity employer. company policy, federal and state laws forbid discrimination because of age, color, race, religion, sex, disability, sexual orientation or national origin

i don't have a problem with banfield in general. in fact i don't know much about them. i just have a problem with the term "pet nurse" when we are/should be considered veterinary technicians. the other problem that i have is that the banfield "pet nurses" do not have to have any training in veterinary technology in order to be considered a "pet nurse" although it is preferred. several years ago the veterinary technician community wanted the change the title to veterinary nurse. the ana told our association (navta) that the terminology was illegal in many states. so i was wondering why banfield can use the term "nurse" and the veterinary community as a whole cannot. seems strange to me. oh and for the record, i prefer to be called a veterinary technician.

fuzzy, cvt

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
I've never understood why RNs & LPNs or other professional nurses are so possessive of the word "nurse." It's not as though we have a copyright for the exclusive use of a word that has existed in English from the mid 14th century. It is a derivative of the word "nourish."

It's what comes before "nurse" that differentiates us from a woman nursing her baby, a man at a bar nursing a drink, a woman nursing her child back to health, or the infant who refused to nurse.

That's the point I am making...to me, it ain't that serious. An earlier poster stated that we should worry about practicing safely, the nursing shortage and such. That is what I am talking about...when are nurses going to unite together to combat this? Instead of organizations fighting over the ownership of a word, they should be fighting for us to be able to care for humans and other species with dignity and respect for life.

Specializes in Diabetes ED, (CDE), CCU, Pulmonary/HIV.

i don't mean to be "catty," but with this grammar, you might not qualify for the petnurse job.i

there is only one use of the title nurse. that is a licensed caregiver to humans. and larry i'll email you 5 minutes if you feel you wasted your time reading.

i emailed the ana, i'll put it here if anyone would like to c&p their own.

[email protected]

i've always thought that the title nurse is a protected title to be used

only by graduates of licensed schools of nursing. in addition the term

nurse is used for human care givers.

there is a corporation of veterinary hospitals called banfield

http://www.banfield.net/careers/other_positions.asp

they is advertising for the positions of pet nurse. this seems wrong to me.

and i thought that the ana would see it that way too. you have such a

strong presence in the health care world i hope you can do your magic on

these people. i want nurse to mean nurse!

Specializes in Palliative Care, NICU/NNP.

http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/book.asp?ref=9780632050611

Why are a lot of you being so posessive of the word "Nurse"? Veterinarians are called "Doctor" and there is a formal education process for becoming a Vet nurse. She administers care to animals.

Specializes in Medical, Surgical, Cardiac.
I'm never going to get back the five minutes I spent reading this thread...:(

So very true......

But if you actually read every post to get to this one you've spent more than 5 minutes. I in fact got to Larry's quote and realized how ridiculous this thread really is. When I read the heading I thought for sure it would be about a Director's "Pet Nurse", now there we have a topic for discussion, particularly for those who erroneously have been called such....

Good luck to all,

The Leprakan

Specializes in Pulmonology/Critical Care, Internal Med.

I felt compelled to write a response to this thread as seeing I used to work for Banfield as a "Pet Nurse", the Lead Pet Nurse to be exact. To answer a lot of the questions on here. YES, corporate does know about the whole "Nurse" thing being copyrighted/illegal to use. It was in one of our training courses that we had to go through. With that being said, using the term PET Nurse does by law delineate between RN-nurse and Pet-nurse. We would often get in trouble if we called ourselves the nurse, however I can tell you it happened alot. The reason they chose to call the Vet. Tech a Pet Nurse was to denote a sense of professionalism to what it was we were doing. It was meant to give the client a sense that we knew what we were doing. Sometimes it was correct, and sometimes it was not. Banfield works off of something called the Cycle of Service. The PN has the most time with the animal, out of a 30 min. cycle the doctor has only 5 mins. The PN is the one who does the assessment of the animal, reports back to the doctor on what is found and then performs the treatments on the animal. These assessments were more indepth at least in my Banfield than I do now on most patients in the hospital. It is all completely computerized, and very easy to use for the most part. As far as our training. As a PN, I was able to do more than I could even think about doing as a nurse. Yes, Anesthesia was our responsibility, I was taught well. I had to read the Anesthesia book given to our doctors before the doctor was satisfied, I had to have memorized the chart on the wall with emergency meds, their dosage rates, etc, and then had to pass a test given by him. I was trained in doing not only general anesthesia using Sevo for maintence and Propofol for induction, but also doing certain blocks (primarily for cats). This was part of my job. I afterall am working on his license as well as my own. We were taught a lot of lab work/pathology. It was not be abnormal for the PN to go and do a sediment stain on urine, identify all the various types of casts/crystals in the urine and report back to the doctor. Often the doctor didn't even look, they took our word for it. Same with differentials or blood work. We did manual diff's at my hospital, and all employees were trained in how to read them, analyze them, etc. We had a very large book right there if we saw something we didn't understand or know. It was used quite often but we learned alot, and helped save some lives because of it. Radiology, I don't know many that are able to read X-rays, PN's can, we did at our hospital. Surgery, I've spayed a dog or two here and there.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, before you get all pissy about someone putting Nurse into the title of their name, first try to get an idea of what they actually go throught. I'm a RVT, but I also have a bachelors in another field, and now am getting my BSN. Not a single PN in my hospital had something less than a BS. While there are some that do, the same could be said about ADN's ohh they only have an associates, would you really want someone in the ICU or the ER assessing you with only a AD instead of a BS. Come on now. Let them use their term, and we can use ours. You can tell the difference between a Pet Nurse and a RN.

Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.

I want to take my hat off to you and offer you high praise as well as a high five for all that you do.

I felt compelled to write a response to this thread as seeing I used to work for Banfield as a "Pet Nurse", the Lead Pet Nurse to be exact. To answer a lot of the questions on here. YES, corporate does know about the whole "Nurse" thing being copyrighted/illegal to use. It was in one of our training courses that we had to go through. With that being said, using the term PET Nurse does by law delineate between RN-nurse and Pet-nurse. We would often get in trouble if we called ourselves the nurse, however I can tell you it happened alot. The reason they chose to call the Vet. Tech a Pet Nurse was to denote a sense of professionalism to what it was we were doing. It was meant to give the client a sense that we knew what we were doing. Sometimes it was correct, and sometimes it was not. Banfield works off of something called the Cycle of Service. The PN has the most time with the animal, out of a 30 min. cycle the doctor has only 5 mins. The PN is the one who does the assessment of the animal, reports back to the doctor on what is found and then performs the treatments on the animal. These assessments were more indepth at least in my Banfield than I do now on most patients in the hospital. It is all completely computerized, and very easy to use for the most part. As far as our training. As a PN, I was able to do more than I could even think about doing as a nurse. Yes, Anesthesia was our responsibility, I was taught well. I had to read the Anesthesia book given to our doctors before the doctor was satisfied, I had to have memorized the chart on the wall with emergency meds, their dosage rates, etc, and then had to pass a test given by him. I was trained in doing not only general anesthesia using Sevo for maintence and Propofol for induction, but also doing certain blocks (primarily for cats). This was part of my job. I afterall am working on his license as well as my own. We were taught a lot of lab work/pathology. It was not be abnormal for the PN to go and do a sediment stain on urine, identify all the various types of casts/crystals in the urine and report back to the doctor. Often the doctor didn't even look, they took our word for it. Same with differentials or blood work. We did manual diff's at my hospital, and all employees were trained in how to read them, analyze them, etc. We had a very large book right there if we saw something we didn't understand or know. It was used quite often but we learned alot, and helped save some lives because of it. Radiology, I don't know many that are able to read X-rays, PN's can, we did at our hospital. Surgery, I've spayed a dog or two here and there.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, before you get all pissy about someone putting Nurse into the title of their name, first try to get an idea of what they actually go throught. I'm a RVT, but I also have a bachelors in another field, and now am getting my BSN. Not a single PN in my hospital had something less than a BS. While there are some that do, the same could be said about ADN's ohh they only have an associates, would you really want someone in the ICU or the ER assessing you with only a AD instead of a BS. Come on now. Let them use their term, and we can use ours. You can tell the difference between a Pet Nurse and a RN.

Specializes in Rodeo Nursing (Neuro).

I don't mean to nurse a grudge, but it seems to me that the idea of using "Pet Nurse" to convey a degree of professionalism underlines the very need to protect the title. Nurses have worked long and hard to be recognized as something other than menial servants--and most of us would likely agree our success has been less than complete.

I have several friends with MA training. They say the level of difficulty of their classes is comparable to that of an LPN. Indeed, until a couple of years ago, some online LPN-RN classes accepted MAs as equivalent to an LPN. Having never been an LPN or MA, I can't compare their training, but I know MAs take versions of many of the courses I took for my ASN, plus courses related to office management. My guess would be that LPN school is tougher--the LPNs I've known have been sharp. But I respect the skills and knowledge of MAs, even though around here many wind up taking jobs as nurses' aides. For that matter, I have a world of respect for a good aide.

BUT, they ain't nurses, and I wouldn't approve of them calling themselves nurses.

I don't want to be petty about it, but I can no longer ignore the 900 lb gorilla that distinguishes a so-called pet nurse from an actual nurse. The main reason we nurses don't do lab work or radiology or--egads!--anesthesia on our clients is that they are people. I love my cats dearly, but if my vet negligently kills one of them, I can sue for the cat's cash value as livestock. If I practice outside my scope on a human, I can be sued for millions and go to jail. Likewise, if a vet tech uses any of these skills they've been trained for on a human being, they're breaking the law.

In the hospital, there are several jobs which, by law, are subordinate to mine. That doesn't make them inferior to me, it only means I have a degree of authority over them and responsibility for them. Many nurses' aides are wonderful caregivers and fine people, and I'd be stupid to discount their advice or fail to give credit for the work they do. I occassionally "cover" LPNs with vastly more experience than I have, and I'm only partly joking when I define "real world" delegation to an LPN as asking her what she wants me to do and doing it. I have never in my life used the phrase "Let's Play Nurse." I am happy to recognize LPNs as nurses, and not in the least embarassed to admit that the vast majority of LPNs I know are better nurses than I am (for now). On the other hand, if I ever disagreed with an LPN about the care of a patient, I'd have no choice but to stand my ground.

Nurse midwives, Nurse Practioners, and CNRAs perform many duties which were formerly reserved to doctors, but they don't call themselves doctors.

If one wants to be recognized as a professional in ones field, I would suggest that the way to go about it is to adopt and practice a professional standard of conduct, show respect for oneself and others, an educate the public as to what one does. Appropriating someone else's title is a cheap short cut, and belittling others belies a lack of self respect.

Specializes in Pulmonology/Critical Care, Internal Med.

I personally hated the title of Pet Nurse while working there, I wish we could have been Vet Techs, not to mention the stupid scrubs with the little puppy dogs, and kittens and children that were playing on them that we had to wear. We really hated the term nurse as we were able to do so much more than an RN could even dream of. I find it very confusing that what these folks who are PN's do is somehow demeaning the term, the actions, etc of a Nurse (RN, LPN, etc). I would think it would be just the opposite.

The job of the PN is the same as a RN and even to a further extent than an RN, you have no ability to judge if they are AIDES or NURSES....you havn't been on both sides of the fence. I have. We are the advocates for our clients, we are the educators to the parents of the pet. We are the ones who have to know about pharmacology, and disease processes, etc, the list goes on. So far I have yet to find anything in my Nursing courses that is as hard as what I had to learn to be a PN at my hospital.

I would honestly take a Vet tech putting in an IV line over a RN any day. You try putting a 20g into a 2lb Chihuahua, or hell into a 130lb Akita who you have only shot to do it, before he goes ape and bites the H out of you. Not to mention I can't remember a single time that we ever had a nosocomial infection from any surgery, it is something a lot of us can't say the same for.

Vet Tech's deserve your respect, you want to learn how to be a better nurse, try being a Vet Tech. You'll learn how to act towards your patient, and most importanly the gentle art of nursing. If you don't you'll get yourself hurt, how many of us can say the same with Human Nursing. If they wish to call themselves PN's let them. They aren't hurting you and those who later on decide to become RN's and drop the Pet in their title, will only help further the good name of "Nurse".

Specializes in Rodeo Nursing (Neuro).

Again, I do not suggest, nor intend to imply, that a Vet Tech (or anyone else) is less than a nurse. I merely say they are something other than a nurse, and should not claim to be what they are not.

I do, however, believe it is the height of gall for someone who is not a nurse to claim to be more qualified as a nurse than a nurse is.

Specializes in Pulmonology/Critical Care, Internal Med.

All I'm saying is until you've walked in both shoes you are not able to say if they are or are not a nurse. Having been both, I would say they are and in someways are better than some of the nurses I've seen out in practice today. They never refer to themselves as a NURSE, they refer to themselves as a PET NURSE. BIG difference. And that is exactally what they are, they are nurses and do the job of a nurse but for/to an animal instead of a human.

They think both independently, and dependent of the doctor. They advocate for the best of the patient, a patient who can't even talk, be it to the doctor or to the parent of the patient. They educate, they evaluate and assess, they lay out plans based on the medical needs/diagnosis of the client. Am I missing something here, how is what they do not being a nurse? This is also just a smallll amount of what they do that a RN doesn't. If you think you can find something that you do as a RN that a PN can't/doesn't do with reference to animals, please by all means be my guest.

atl_john, thank you for enlightening me on the duties of a banfield petnurse. like i said previously, i'm a certified veterinary technician (cvt) but i have never worked for banfield and i don't know much about their operation. i've only seen their petnurse ads. you have increased my concerns some when you mentioned that you have spayed some dogs. quote from atl_john ... surgery, i've spayed a dog or two here and there. plus you also mentioned that you are an rvt (registered veterinary technician). as you have indicated in your post, there are a lot of duties involved in being a veterinary technician. however there are three things that technicians are not allowed to do by law period:

1. make a diagnosis or prognosis.

2. prescribe any treatment, medication, and/or appliance.

3. perform surgery.

this three things are written in every veterinary practice act throughout the us whether that state recognizes credentialed (program educated) technicians or not. granted there may be some "grey areas" as there probably are i'm sure in the nursing profession but there is no getting around that performing an abdominal surgery, an ovariohysterectomy, a canine spay is surgery. if banfield is allowing their petnurses to perform surgery...wow i'm speechless. i'm surprised that you as as rvt took them up on the offer as those three things are pounded and pounded into your head while in school as well as presented on state and national exams. surgery is not to be performed unless one has a dvm or vmd behind their name. wow banfield's credibility is getting lower in my mind if this is true hopefully you ment assisting in surgery which is allowed.

fuzzy

Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.

from a right-pondian perspective

the title 'Nurse' is not enclosed but a variety of titles including Nurse as a main part are ...

e.g. Registered Nurse and the historic titles Such a State Registered Nurse, Registered General Nurse, Registered Mental Nurse, Enrolled Nurse ....

the Veterinary Nurses, Dental Nurses and NNEB Nursery Nurses while not on the NMC register have their own professional bodies who try to protect their titles in the same way the NMC protects Registered Nurse, Enrolled nurse and the historic titles of RNs ... Depending on the criteria for qualification i have no problem with Veterinary Nurses being referred to as such as long as they don't make out to be people Nurses and vice versa...

Uk Veterinary Nurses are registered with the RCVS - who are the same body who register and accredit Veterinary Surgeons...

http://www.rcvs.org.uk/Templates/InternalHome.asp?NodeID=89632

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