Overhaul of health care system needed to address nursing understaffing?

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It seems as though the nursing profession, esp hospital nursing, has reached some dire straits in the past 15 years - getting worse, in particular, over this past decade. Would you agree?

The patient load is simply too high. Insanely so, and yet now these ratios are hard-stamped into the system due, in large part, to the way managed care reimburses hospitals. And, of course, the way managed care reimburses hospitals is rooted in a complex array of factors - more patients, more older patients, more obese patients, ever-changing medical technology, just plain more demands placed on the health care system.

As I read through these posts, I'm simply amazed at the case loads being described - and so consistently! Such case loads are just not rational, and yet there they are, with hospitals treating them as though they're normal.

It looks as though the only thing that can solve the nursing staffing problem is an overhaul of the health care system that embraces some tough realities. Such a (theoretical) overhaul, I think, would mandate absolutely no more than 4 patients per, say, a med/surg unit RN (with an aim of 3:1), with no corresponding sacrifice of ancillary staff. And because this would take an overhaul of the system to realize this, and would address a problem that affects the public health mightily, I really think the feds need to do it.

It may mean hospitals, to find the money to do this, will have to close beds, will have to stop accepting so many patients - perhaps triage will have to intensify - and perhaps the feds will have to set aside money to fund hospitals to keep them afloat. And that will mean other fed-funded programs will have to get cut.

And hospital admin people (MSHA's, etc.) AND staff nurses will have to put their heads together to figure out how to overhaul the system. Staff nurses simply must be part of the health care reform process. THEY know the realities. The "suits" don't.

If this goal is achieved, maybe there wouldn't be such a "nursing shortage". Maybe all those thousands of current nurses out there would return to the hospital. It looks as though we certainly have enough nurses "out there", not to mention the ones being churned out of the schools yearly. But there are so few who want to STAY at the bedside, in such working conditions - we can keep churning and churning, and importing and importing, but this will serve as only a stop-gap measure.

But... maybe that is what the "system" has settled for - constant stop-gap instead of real retention.

Anyway, I've just seen so many posts about nursing burnout and insane case loads, and observations about how "nursing is just not the same anymore" (I believe it!), that I don't think any amount of stress management skills or even changing one facility at a time (unless we can follow the example of a "model facility") will do anything to improve the worsening nursing situation.

If any silver lining comes out of the current systemic understaffing of hospitals, maybe it will be an increased emphasis on preventive health - i.e., the government tacitly warning us to try our best NOT to become an inpatient!

Anyway, just my $0.02. I think I'm basically writing this out of fear - fear of what I will encounter when I graduate from nursing school. I hear about "reality shock"; but I think it's much more than that - I think it's a shock that we need to listen to - a shock at a system gone awry.

Because they say only a newcomer to a country can really see the essence of that locale - during those first few days or weeks he/she is dwelling in that locale - before becoming acclimated. Then, once acclimation sets in, surroundings take on an appearance of normalcy, and some of the truth that was contained in that initial glimpse into the "reality of it all" is lost.

You could say shock is the only really rational reaction to the current situation!

If we - the public - accept today's nursing working conditions as normal, it will only get worse. I fear what the bedside will look like in 10 years. Maybe the fact that the aging boomer generation (the "gray tsunami") is about to hit the hospitals will help the public face reality...

Here's my experience of nursing over the years. For years working conditions were actually improving, and wages increasing. A few years ago, maybe ten years ago, things started going downhill. Working condition are going downhill! I'm hearing about unbelievable nurse-to-patient levels. Thus, nursing care suffers. Nurses are discouraged. I think more and more nurses will organize unions. Collective bargaining can solve many problems.

Don't moun, organize-Joe Hill,1915

We ARE doing much better in California.

No hospital CEOs don't respect nurses. They view us as costly but take us away and you just have a building.

The public trusts and respects us more than any other occupation. We need to continue and expand our advocacy to earn that trust.

Just calling in a union is useless. BUT together continued working together won safe staffing ratios with the obligation that the hospital increase staffing by acuity.

WE together can work to improve patient care and nurses working conditions.

http://www.calnurses.org/nnoc/

http://www.calnurses.org/assets/pdf/nnoc_101.pdf

Once upon a time, when most nurses graduated from hospital diploma schools, they had all the clinical experience they needed to hit the ground running.

I had a nurse tell me this same thing during clinical - she was so adamant about it, and it was the first thing out of her mouth (I had just met her - she had just stepped into the OR to take over for a CRNA), that I believed her. Maybe a climb down from the ivory tower and into reality is what nursing schools need...

I will let experienced nurses respond to your questions about recruitment from other countries. I did see a documentary, though, where people - including a doctor - actually became nurses just so they could get into the U.S. And I've heard foreign nurses say nursing is a good job since it gives stability and also a chance to be in the US.

Laudable cause, since I love my country & I'd also want to come here if I weren't here already! (Thanks, ancestors! You picked a great place! ) But I'm just saying maybe it's not so much we're sucking nurses away from other countries, but actually incentivizing people to become nurses so they can get into the US, since we have such a well-known shortage of bedside nurses here. But that is just my theory - I have no idea what the real data are, admittedly...

Anyway, the lack of respect of nurses is, yes, something I wish nurses would address. In school everything is ivory-tower, with no mention of self-advocacy & and the realities of the unit. And some of the energy spent on nursing theory and different types of language like nursing diagnoses may have been better spent on combatting the stereotypes of the ill-educated, submissive, and replaceable nurse.

We ARE doing much better in California.

No hospital CEOs don't respect nurses. They view us as costly but take us away and you just have a building.

The public trusts and respects us more than any other occupation. We need to continue and expand our advocacy to earn that trust.

Just calling in a union is useless. BUT together continued working together won safe staffing ratios with the obligation that the hospital increase staffing by acuity.

WE together can work to improve patient care and nurses working conditions.

http://www.calnurses.org/nnoc/

http://www.calnurses.org/assets/pdf/nnoc_101.pdf

I'm wondeirng - Did the ratio improvements in CA occur without sacrifice of ancillary staff or other services, or of supplies?

I hear about nurses striking in the Bay Area, so that has me a bit worried that the ratio rule may have been technically implemented, but with other cuts made, so with still shoddy results for nurses.

I don't want to sound skeptical - I'm just trying to learn how such things get done successfully.

I think the nation looks to the CA nurses with great thanks, that they got that change pushed through! We need examples to follow like that. (And I'm personally grateful about the California decision, since that is the state I want to get my license in, for familiy reasons.)

Preach on Retired RN!!! Have you considered running for governor? I'll work on your campaign for free!

Thank you for your support, but I don't think I really want to get into politics at this time. The nicest thing about being retired is that I can say whatever I think is true without having to worry about getting fired. I fully realize that not everyone agrees with my criticisms of the present system of nursing education, but I do think that a more realistic education would have a significant effect on conditions for nurses and lead to better care for patients.

Ok, so now my thought is....Is there a nursing shortage in those countries caused by recruiters in the US stealing the nurses?

I swear that there are hospitals units in the DFW area where none of the nurses speak American English as a first language. All of the nurses on those floors are from other countries.

I understand that the Phillipines is probably the only place where there are too many nurses for one area and nurses are the biggest export. But what about other countries?

Are U.S. employers purposely keeping things in bad shape to force US nurses to quit nursing so that the employers can recruit nurses from other countries who are less likely to be vocal about the conditions? And what are the ramifications of these business tactics in those other countries?

How can you accuse U.S. employers of such dastardly motives? I had one administrator defend this process of raiding foreign countries for nurses by claiming that the U.S. paychecks those nurses earned were good for their countries because they helped to support the families they left behind.

Do you know that the visas and work permits for these nurses often state that they must work for the same employer for a stated length of time or they will be deported? Should we call this slavery or is merely a case of being an indentured servant?

Specializes in ICU-CVICU.
I fully realize that not everyone agrees with my criticisms of the present system of nursing education, but I do think that a more realistic education would have a significant effect on conditions for nurses and lead to better care for patients.

I'm not making the connection...maybe I'm a bit dull at 4am. How does less education make nurses better?

It is not LESS education. It is a different kind of education. My 3 year diploma program was a lot tougher than your average Bachelors degree in other fields.

I was attending nursing school while my twin was doing a degree in education. I was at a 3 year diploma hospital nursing program that was affiliated with a top university for all of our sciences etc. My twin was at a 4 year school doing a degree in education at the same time. Guess who spent more time in class.... had more material to study that was much more complex...etc etc? I did more work and covered more material in 3 years than she did in 4.

It is a different kind of education.

I'm not making the connection...maybe I'm a bit dull at 4am. How does less education make nurses better?

A hospital diploma program for RNs is not less education because the students must learn all the same nursing principles in order to be able to pass the NCLEX. It is however, much more intensive in the clinical experience area, as the students put in many more hours under the supervision of their clinical instructors and they have many more opportunities to observe experienced nurses in their work. By the time they graduate they are able to cope with a full load of patients, and have been able to learn the duties of a charge nurse while under supervision.

Specializes in ICU-CVICU.
A hospital diploma program for RNs is not less education because the students must learn all the same nursing principles in order to be able to pass the NCLEX. It is however, much more intensive in the clinical experience area, as the students put in many more hours under the supervision of their clinical instructors and they have many more opportunities to observe experienced nurses in their work. By the time they graduate they are able to cope with a full load of patients, and have been able to learn the duties of a charge nurse while under supervision.

So, it's your position that BSN prepared nurses aren't as capable because diploma nurses have more clinical experience? That's probably true for a minute, and then the BSN prepared nurse gets a few months experience. Now they're equal clinically, and the BSN nurse still has more education.

So, it's your position that BSN prepared nurses aren't as capable because diploma nurses have more clinical experience? That's probably true for a minute, and then the BSN prepared nurse gets a few months experience. Now they're equal clinically, and the BSN nurse still has more education.

So, while the BSN prepared nurse is getting that experience (s)he cannot carry a full patient load, and the unit remains inadequately staffed. The problem we were originally discussing was that the BSN education was not appropriate for the duties the student would face on the job immediately after graduation.

Do the BSN prepared nurses use that extra education to do anything concrete about improving the working conditions for nurses or the nurse/patient ratio, or do they escape the world of hospital nursing as soon as they possibly can?

Specializes in ICU-CVICU.

Actually, that hasn't been my experience....as a BSN graduate, I was hired directly into an ICU in May, took the NCLEX in June, and took a "full load" of patients on July 4th weekend for the first time. No one had to pick up after me, or subsidize my work, especially not the non-BSN new graduate nurse that remained in orientation trying to get through the ECCO course.

So, while the BSN prepared nurse is getting that experience (s)he cannot carry a full patient load, and the unit remains inadequately staffed. The problem we were originally discussing was that the BSN education was not appropriate for the duties the student would face on the job immediately after graduation.

Do the BSN prepared nurses use that extra education to do anything concrete about improving the working conditions for nurses or the nurse/patient ratio, or do they escape the world of hospital nursing as soon as they possibly can?

You make a good point, Retired R.N.. A consistent theme in the threads on these and other nursing blogs is that people are getting their BSN, MSN, etc., to essentially get away from the bedside (I can't blame them, given today's case loads). One higher education guru has said that nurses have all the incentive to get a higher degree to get away from the bedside, and not enough to stay at bedside.

So, I went to public health school, got my master's, and afterwards attended an accelerated 1-year BSN program for a while. Let me tell you, the theory in both programs bordered on academic blarney. Maybe it was just the program I was in - but I've now opted for a 2-year ADN nursing program, which is vastly superior to the BSN program I was in.

I'm not saying "BSN bad, lesser degree good" - esp since programs will vary inevitably. I'm just saying that, with the health care system in the crisis that it's in - wiith so many demands, too few staff, more complex treatment protocols - that we have to get practical about things and really train people in a practical way.

And I'm not saying, to heck with learning theory and scientific rationale. But I do wish those diploma programs would return. Or, at least perhaps nursing programs that are more modeled after med school programs, in that they would have a relatively brief, intense upfront didactic period (as in, reading up on diseases, their treatment, and nursing interventions w/rationales), followed by an intensely clinical one, where students are actually doing what they'd do as nurses in the real world, albeit under supervision.

Maybe there's not enough clinical site space to go around for such programs anymore, or maybe we place too much emphasis on ivory-tower theory (this latter problem is more easily solvable) - but those diploma programs perhaps should be revisited.

Martinette, hey, I have a twin, too - identical! She went the doctor route, though. She also told me it's tough to do patient care, and she's just talking about the relatively few times she had to do so! (She went into pathology.)

Anyway, sorry to stray from the subject. But, better preparation of nurses, as in, intense instruction in an actual clinical setting, sounds like a good idea, if doable these days. As far as making nurses into advocates - maybe nursing schools could intensely instill that, too.

Although I don't want to get into an ADN vs. diploma vs. BSN debate - I guess it's such a universal topic that it inevitably gets brought up. And it does have relevance esp since BSN and higher degrees are essentially a "ticket out" of the bedside setting. (Again, I don't blame a soul for opting for that ticket.)

As for the BSN empowering bedside nurses - I can't tell that BSN equips nurses more for "standing up to the system". Wouldn't having a degree that allows one to "escape the bedside" actually reduce the incentive to stand up to & protest the system, since one could just leave the system instead?

Anyway, sorry for the long post. I'm not even a nurse, just a nursing student. But I wanted to give you my perspective on the nursing program I left, and the nursing program I opted for.

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