Oregon strike - page 3

I heard there is a pending strike in Oregon. A friend was asking me about it. Has anyone heard about that?... Read More

  1. by   fergus51
    And what exactly makes those who cross the lines the caring ones? Fallonrn, your post makes it seem like you think union nurses are greedy for wanting decent pay but strike breakers aren't. The strike breakers weren't willing to work in that hospital until the wages were inflated thanks to a strike, so doesn't that indicate they were somewhat motivated by money?
  2. by   SmilingBluEyes
    .fuggedaboudit ferg.
  3. by   fergus51
    Quote from fallonrn
    Truth hurts!! Look at all the nurses in this thread bashing nurses for covering a strike because greedy union employees refuse to.
    Was a union nurse mean to you once or something? It seems like you are taking the pro-union stance very personally. I don't know why you would assume to know about my nursing practice simply by my being in a union. There are good union nurses and bad union nurses. Same goes for non-union.
  4. by   fallonrn
    there are enough strikes going on to do it for a living an some people do, just like traveling RN's. They might be doing it for money and I'm sure 99% probably do, and there is nothing wrong with that. But, the fact that nurses going on strike make it sound like they are only doing it for patient care issues is total BS and you know it. I think nurses should be paid whatever you can get, but to act like Mother Theresa is total BS.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    You are not reading the posts. The reasons vary beyond pay and "mother theresa" motives. You are set in your mind and are not open to listening. Debate with you is futile. Have a good night.
  6. by   fergus51
    Quote from fallonrn
    there are enough strikes going on to do it for a living an some people do, just like traveling RN's. They might be doing it for money and I'm sure 99% probably do, and there is nothing wrong with that. But, the fact that nurses going on strike make it sound like they are only doing it for patient care issues is total BS and you know it. I think nurses should be paid whatever you can get, but to act like Mother Theresa is total BS.
    I'm not mother Theresa and have no desire to be. I asked you about this because you specifically called union nurses greedy and not strikebreakers. The strikebreakers are there solely because of the money. I have a hard time believing nurses would strike only for the money. They are risking their jobs and their livelyhood by striking.
  7. by   fallonrn
    What I am referring too is the people that want to complain about strike nurses because they are greedy and refer to them as scabs. Unions are not there for patients they are soley there serving their members and when I hear nurses make it sound as though they are going on strike for patient care issues it is total crap. Nursing unions are just as self serving as any other unionized group.
  8. by   zenman
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    I am a union nurse and I take extreme exception to your generalization. It's all that is, too, a generalization, not a truthful or meaningful statement.
    Every statement on this board is a "truthful or meaningful" statement. Our reality is defined by our own reality..."the world is as you dream it."

    I've taken some comments and will address them, in my own reality of course.

    Nurses won't stick together
    We can't even agree on what educational route to take...and you want us to stick together! Secondly, I don't know you so why would I support you? You might be a poor excuse for a nurse. Hopefully, that is not the case. But...human nature being what it is, some union members can use the system to their benefit to promote their own agenda, which might be to get out of anything they can.

    Hospitals pushing nurses to do more with less
    Is this true with most business in todays world or...are nurses are being singled out to work harder? Look around you at the average age of your patients. They probably don't have great insurance. It's probably fair to say that every inpatient unit is losing money daily. Are you familar with reimbursement? Whose paying for the homeless and indigent? Do you know any docs that are losing money or not accepting certain patients because they would go down the tubes if they did. Any hospitals ever close?

    We did not abandon anyone...hospital transferred everyone out
    Bet that was a bright spot in a lot of sick people's day. But what if all the hospitals were full (as most are lately) and there was no place to go?

    There is a reason for striking
    Yes, and it's probably because management doesn't meet your expectations of how you think a hospital should be run. But...what was your hospital management experience...I didn't catch that part.

    If no one would work, the hospital would have to settle.
    They might just have to shut down...again possibly not the best thing for the community. If you had a business and your employees didn't think you were running it "correctly" would you love for them to tell you how to do it?
  9. by   SmilingBluEyes
    What is wrong with being self-serving???? This is what gets me. Are we not supposed to look out for our interests in the face of managers/administrators who would use us up and spit us out when done? Come on, really, Who cares for the CAREGIVERS then if we don't do it for ourselves?


    I mean, fallon, are YOU in nursing as a volunteer or nun? If not, guess what, you are self-serving, at least to some extent, too. And if you bust strikes you can't convince me you are anything else BUT.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Feb 23, '05
  10. by   SmilingBluEyes
    [QUOTE=zenman]Every statement on this board is a "truthful or meaningful" statement. Our reality is defined by our own reality..."the world is as you dream it."

    QUOTE]

    Maybe, but making rude generalizations about a group is NOT useful to meaningful dialogue or debate. . It's not useful to say "all union nurses are lazy and greedy".....it serves only to inflame others, not make any real point that hits home or comes across as "truthful or meaningful". THAT is what I meant by that statement, Zen.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Feb 23, '05
  11. by   zenman
    Quote from fergus51
    I'm not mother Theresa and have no desire to be. I asked you about this because you specifically called union nurses greedy and not strikebreakers. The strikebreakers are there solely because of the money. I have a hard time believing nurses would strike only for the money. They are risking their jobs and their livelyhood by striking.
    Mother Theresa had a reputation and it was not always nice!! I don't think most nurses strike only for the money...but it always seems to be in the contract somewhere. I worked a strike once...at a lower pay than my independant practice, until I went into OT. It just happened that I moved into the location and nurses had just started a strike. Merely fate. But does the raise nurses get equal the amount they lost out on strike?

    Try to stay cool on this hot issue or the mods will shut this thread down.
  12. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from zenman
    Mother Theresa had a reputation and it was not always nice!! I don't think most nurses strike only for the money...but it always seems to be in the contract somewhere. I worked a strike once...at a lower pay than my independant practice, until I went into OT. It just happened that I moved into the location and nurses had just started a strike. Merely fate. But does the raise nurses get equal the amount they lost out on strike?

    Try to stay cool on this hot issue or the mods will shut this thread down.
    tell that to people who deliberately insult entire groups just to make a point, Zen.
  13. by   fergus51
    Quote from zenman
    . But does the raise nurses get equal the amount they lost out on strike?
    No, that's why I find it pretty laughable to insist that union nurses are striking all over the place for all the cash they'll get.

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