Online BSN - Is it taken seriously? - page 3
by Jmiami, MSN, APRN, CNS | 10,712 Views | 48 Comments
I am specifically posting this in the Nursing forum to get advice from actively practicing nurses, so please don't move! I have heard some recommend online ADN-BSN programs from those "university of phoenix" type schools. ... Read More
- 1Oct 25, '12 by traumaRUs, MSN, APRN, CNS AdminI did University of Phoenix online ADN to BSN and completed it in 2004. Then I did an MSN, again from University of Phoenix in 2005. Then, I did two post-MSN certificates (from another school locally).
And...you know what? I have a great advanced practice nurse job, am well respected and have had absolutely no problems.
- 1Oct 25, '12 by BluegrassRNI've seen my transcripts, and they don't reflect whether my class was online or in a classroom, either. I agree with the others who say it depends more upon te school. My state school serves a huge rural and military population, and has been doing distance learning classes for programs like RN to BSN since the early 80s. All other state and most community colleges in my state have jumped on that bandwagon in the last decade. It's a necessity in our environment of large rural areas and nontraditional students. Universities haven't always been very accommodating of nontraditionals who have families and jobs. Now teir market simply demands it.Quote from AmnestyIMO, this is the best way to do it! I got my first Bachelor's Degree from a school like this, and while I decided to do the distanced learning route and do all of the online courses, my diploma doesn't reflect that. No employer will ever know whether it was an online program or a brick-and-mortar type of thing unless they ask for transcripts, I suppose, and none ever have. The tuition was much cheaper than the strictly online schools I looked at, and it gave me more options. I intend to get my ADN and then go back and do my RN to BSN or perhaps even MSN in this same manner.
- 2Oct 25, '12 by netglowI think at issue in this thread is the fact that many readers/posters have not been involved in education for years, and remember how things were decades ago. Well things have changed.
Almost all colleges have fully integrated online coursework into their curriculum. This now for at least a decade.
- 1Oct 25, '12 by mmm333My microbiology course had online modules with quizzes which my instructor asked us to take under our name and he would check for passing scores before he started lecturing on that subject. Those were focused on memorization of key facts, concepts, and definitions. It virtually eliminated time-wasting questions in lecture about very basic facts and definitions, got everyone on the same page, and allowed the professor to lecture on a much higher level and skip the very basic stuff. For some reason many students won't do reading assignments, but they are all over interactive modules. Maybe because there is a record of what has been completed. Not grading these took away incentives to cheat or have other people do one's work. A system like this could work in any course and had been done with CD-ROMs for a long time, but the online system is easier for a professor to monitor, tailor, and keep records of.
- 5Oct 25, '12 by dh07RNTo be honest, it doesn't matter where you go to get your RN-BSN for employers. Experience counts more than anything. Human Resources is just going to see that you checked the box that says you have a BSN, and your managers and peers are only going to care about your experience.
- 4Oct 25, '12 by tnmarieQuote from GeneralJinjurAre you taking in consideration lost wages for attending a brick and mortar school? You can potentially work full time while getting your degree online where as doing the same in a traditional school would next to impossible (depending on your job and hours of course).It's accepted where I live, but you can do much better price-wise with one of the many state schools that also offer online classes. In my case, I can get my RN-BSN for a little over 5K, whereas UOP wanted to charge me around 20K.
Quote from GrnTeaTrust me, online education is not less challenging, only challenging in a different way. Some of us don't need to be spoon fed and hand-held through our entire educational process and some of us work much better at our on pace and teaching ourselves (take it from me, a classic introvert).Um, no, it's not. The letters are the same and the piece of paper is the same, but the education sure as heck is not. Alas, the people who know this from experience will never convince the ones who like their education with fewer challenges -- and fewer genuine interpersonal relations and collaboration-- than the real thing.
Discuss with your study group and make a presentation to the class.
See how rude it is to make snide comments about people who may not learn the same way you do? ;-)
I'm glad you got a lot from your traditional education, but it isn't for everyone because people have different learning styles and obligations. I've done both and frankly found online more challenging because you have to be so self-disciplined and motivated.
That being said, brick and mortar or online, your education will only be as good as the effort you put in to learn and understand the material.
- 2Oct 25, '12 by teiladayQuote from JZ_RNGee, the people who went 4 years straight, probably have debt from over-priced tuition and who sat through class after class to get their BSN will do anything to feel superior to us ASN nurses, even when we get our BSN, but in the more convenient and less expensive way. NEWSFLASH- BSN is BSN. And an RN is an RN. We take the same classes and the same NCLEX-RN. Proud to be an RN who started ADN and who used online BSN. Don't like it? Too bad. Go pay your loans.
Just so tired of being put down for doing things that are actually positive. Don't have a BSN. You're crap. Didn't go to a physical class at a 4 year school? You're crap.
Get off your high horses people.
The debt from people who went "4 years straight" will generally have debt in the same ballpark whether they took their classes online or not at the same, or a similarly ranked institution. Many private online curriculums (e.g. UOP) are typically more expensive.
I am a hard advocate for online curriculums, I think it's ridiculous that it took this long for institutions to get their head out of the sand and start using online formats... that said, it's very unfortunate that many people (especially prospective students) don't have even a working grasp of how various programs differ in rigor, and how such can affect later education pursuits... irrespective of what occupation is being sought.
A 3.0 GPA from a school like University of Phoenix (UOP) isn't respected the same as a 3.0 from a school like LSU, which requires at least College Algebra and General Chemistry to earn the BSN... and that's relatively speaking near the bottom of the BSN requirement scale. There are schools that require several courses of Chemistry and Calculus.
So... if you're applying to a practitioner program at Johns Hopkins, or applying to an anesthesia program at Rush, *all else being equal*, which candidate seems more qualified and better educated based on their degree alone? (1) The nurse who completed a UOP RN-BSN program (2) the nurse who took at traditional route at school that required her to take college algebra and general chemistry (not that intro chem. that some schools accept) (3) the nurse who had to take calculus, general and organic chemistry.
Remember "all else being equal"...
1. Which is statistically most likely to be successful at a top 10 program?
2. Which is statistically most likely to have an easier time with understanding biochemical concepts?
Look, it isn't a secret to those of us who've been around higher education enough to know that students used to major in "easy" majors just so they could apply to grad school with a high GPA.
Majors like psychology, sociology, etc., have historically been used by many for that very purpose... it's a lot easier to get accepted with a 4.0 in Psychology, and apply to a limited seat MSN program (for those with previous degree) than having a 2.8 GPA in Chemical Engineering and doing the same, because many schools just plug your numbers into a formula (e.g. GPA + test score)... and that's unfortunate.
The brighter side is that many schools (law schools, med schools, etc...) have started to really pay attention to the RIGOR of a particular person's degree program. It isn't the "name" of the school that is bad, but rather flimsy non-rigorous programs that particular types of schools are mostly associated with.
Saying a BSN is like any other BSN just isn't true, nor even reasonable to think so. The reality is that a rigorous program (whether it's online or traditional doesn't matter) will prepare you for things that most people don't think about. When you take the GRE, GMAT, MCAT (should you want to branch off into other aspects of the medical field); the courses you took in your BSN curriculum could be the difference between you making a few points higher on your standardized test score, which could make the difference between you getting accepted to that PA (Pathology Assist.), Anesthesia (CRNA or AA), or NP program at a well respected university. Truth be told, it (the rigor of your BSN) can even make a decisive difference on how well you do on the analytical section "games" of the LSAT !
Just because two RNs passed the NCLEX doesn't mean they have even *remotely* close to the same *quality* of education and that's a very important reality. Whether it all makes a difference or not depends on what you want to do with your life and career.
To answer the OPs question: No one really cares whether your body warmed a seat in a traditional format or whether you took classes online in your bathrobe and slippers with screaming kids in the background. It doesn't matter. Generally you get the same diploma whether you did most of your work online or otherwise. I would be less concerned about whether the program is "online" and most concerned with how the curriculum and institution measures up to traditional standards. Accreditation is only the bottom rung of standards to be met as two schools can be accredited by one of the accrediting bodies that matter, but one school might have high standards and the other school might give out diplomas that aren't worth the paper it's printed on as far as anyone is concerned. Know the difference!
It's not about people on their "high horse" or people ragging on ASN nurses. It's about the type of people that you *usually* get in the applicant pool (whether it's for a job or degree), when the nurse (or initial applicant) has already been subjected to a high educational standard.