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Board of Directors

Michele Jansen RN Florida

Helen Cook RN Michigan

Cheryl Worden LPN Arkansas

Ron Phelps RN BSN Virginia

The MNM came into being as a discussion on a nursing website. That discussion than became a growing idea. Eventually that idea became an organization. We are now a growing organization of nurses from varied and diverse backgrounds and educations. It is the thought of this organization that massive changes in nursing and in how healthcare is delivered must be made. It is up to nurses to prompt those changes. Nurses are the true patient advocates, and in order to do so we must advocate for ourselves. To do this effectively the thought is to bring all nurses together. Registered Nurses, Licensed Practical Nurses, and Certified Nurse Assistants. Each one of us makes up the important bedside team, and without us healthcare would not exist. We believe that each component of the bedside team have practice acts and certification limits that must be followed to enhance appropriate patient care, and that it is inappropriate for administrators that are not licensed bedside caregivers to put any of us into positions that demand otherwise.

It is the vision of the Million Nurse March that the diverse voices within the field need to come together under one banner, with common ground. The MNM is the vehicle in which that can occur. We invite all organizations that have nurses within their membership to pool resources together to make this vision a reality.

We invite all others that are concerned about patient care and the state of healthcare to join with us. Other healthcare workers, advocacy groups, physicians, educators and public citizens. All who are concerned and feel that they can endorse and support the tenets of this organization are welcome to participate. We offer the caveat that our platform is a nursing advocacy platform that will also enhance patient care and other individual agendas cannot come in front of that.

Our platform is for federal legislation on these specific issues

1.Nationwide staff to patient ratios based on patient acuity; in every area that nursing care is provided. Hospitals, nursing homes, clinics etc...

2.National legislation that prohibits the use of mandatory overtime that will protect all bedside caregivers.

3.National legislation that will put enforceable and strong whistleblower protections into place for all healthcare workers.

4.National legislation that will prohibit the performance of skilled nursing functions by unlicensed staff.

5.Restrictions on unsafe floating practices.

6.Appropriate monetary compensation for skills and science based knowledge.

Without which patient care suffers.

This platform addresses the working conditions that are poorly impacting all nursing care across the country. It is the working conditions that have prompted the mass exodus of nurses from the bedside. This platform addresses retention issues.

The other side of the platform must address recruitment issues. As a profession we must bury the negativity that has run rampant through our ranks. Encourage young persons to pursue entry level nursing programs, support increased funding for those that pursue nursing programs as well as increased funding and other support programs that will allow those that wish to pursue the higher education opportunities of the field.

We need to value, respect and celebrate those that work strictly at the bedside. We need to encourage the healthcare industry to acknowledge that bedside nursing care is the bedrock on which healthcare rests, on which good patients outcomes are impossible without. We need to educate the public regarding what nurses do and how we affect the outcomes of every patient we come in contact with. We also have to acknowledge and effectively deal with the dynamics that encourage and perpetuate the mentality of "eating our young" be that the new graduate, or the experienced nurse that is new to a different field of practice. We must quit setting fires in our own house.

The MNM has set aside two days in which to address our issues to our national legislators. May 10, 2002 for meeting with legislators that are willing to sit down and listen to our concerns, and May 11, 2002 for a March and rally to protest the treatment of nurses by the healthcare industry, highlighting how that treatment has directly impacted and exacerbated the nursing shortage. This time will also be used to educate the public and media as to what nurses do day after day, how what we do has a direct effect on patient care outcomes and to celebrate our profession for the joys it can give us as well as the care and compassion it can give others.

Please join us in this worthwhile endeavor. Working together we will have a tremendous impact on our lives and the care of our patients.

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Originally posted by -jt:

Originally posted by rncountry:

. How many members the California Nurses Association has I don't know, but I do now they are the largest nurses union out there.

About 30,000.

NYSNA has a membership of 34,000

and the UAN (labor branch of the ANA) has a membership of 120,000 RNs. So to correct that little inaccuracy up previously posted, it's the UAN that is the largest RN union out there.

I have to agree with you Natalie. I have a hard time with people who dont contribute a cent but feel they have the right to make demands on my money..... and have a lot to say about how I spend it.

Excellent analogy about the Canadian wanting to vote in Georgia, Tim.

Originally posted by -jt:

Originally posted by rncountry:

. How many members the California Nurses Association has I don't know, but I do now they are the largest nurses union out there.

About 30,000.

NYSNA has a membership of 34,000

and the UAN (labor branch of the ANA) has a membership of 120,000 RNs. So to correct that little inaccuracy up previously posted, it's the UAN that is the largest RN union out there.

I have to agree with you Natalie. I have a hard time with people who dont contribute a cent but feel they have the right to make demands on my money..... and have a lot to say about how I spend it.

Excellent analogy about the Canadian wanting to vote in Georgia, Tim.

There are issues with the ANA that many nurses feel. I have felt them myself and won't hide that. At one time I was a member of the Michigan Nurses Association. At the time I was employed at a hospital that had a union through the MNA. When I left that hospital I did not continue my membership for two reasons. One, because I didn't feel they addressed issues that needed to be addressed, and two because I was now a single parent who truly could not afford the dues. Easy for someone that has not been in that financial situation to say what is nearly $400 a year? Spend that much money on gas or cigerettes or whatever. Let me tell you that for someone stuggling to pay the rent and make sure you have the money to buy winter coats and boots for your children it is a big deal. So go ahead and crucify me for being factual. When the Million Nurse March first came into being each of us that was actively working to make an idea a reality were encouraging the others to contact our state associations, the UAN etc... Guess what the response was? New Jersey said no couldn't do it. Illinois wouldn't even answer the nurse who made inquiries, Florida was afraid we would scare the public by airing what was happening. Texas was approached by a couple nurses over a couple months and just tried to get those nurses to instead join the TNA. My experience with the Michigan Nurses Association was at first positive and I had every intention of rejoining them until after I had interviewed with Nurseweek who then called the MNA since they had told me that they would feel comfortable with notifying their membership about what was planned and linking their site to ours. After the journelist had contacted them I got an email expressing concern that the journelist had used words like "support and endorse." At the same time another nurse from the MNM was getting nasty emails regarding a post that she had made that indicated she would cross picket lines and yes this came from strong union supporters within the MNM. I decided I was not going to be involved with either group, one because they seemed to be talking out of both sides of their mouths and the other because I didn't want to be part of a group that felt it was appropriate to be nasty and threatening to another, as if every person that joined the MNM had to toe the line on unions. That was not what I felt the MNM was supposed to be all about. On the heels of this I received an email from another nurse that was incredibly personally attacking of another nurse because of her feelings about the ANA and the UAN. It was like if there were members of the MNM that did not share the strong views of some nurses in regards to unions, particularly the UAN and the ANA then the goal was to intimidate and harrass those the held other views until they either left the MNM or changed their viewpoint to fit what a minority was pushing. And we did lose members, some because they did not want to be involved with a group that was strongly pro ANA/UAN and others because they would not support nurses behaving this way towards one another. Initially I was going to leave for the latter reason. I corresponded with the woman at the Michigan Nurses Association and without going into detail I simply told her that I would not be involved with the MNM any further, I apologized for the journelists use of wording that the MNA was not comfortable with and expressed that maybe my activities would be better with the MNA by rejoining the MNA.Wasn't sure exactly what I wanted to do at that point. I then received an email from another nurse that had been in this from the beginning expressing that she would like for me to think things through a bit more. I ended up calling this person after the email that was personally attacking towards another nurse for her views on the ANA/UAN. I suppose I was quite naive because I was feeling pretty shocked that someone could be so damn nasty to another for stating how they felt about the MNM being associated with the UAN. Anyway this nurse and myself began sharing different emails that we had received from a few people and something didn't quite add up right. It became apparent that there were emails that some of us were getting, while others were not. It is not worth going into all the details here. The feeling we took away from the phone conversation was that there were some that wanted very badly to put the MNM squarely in with the UAN. I can tell you that someone with the UAN had called this nurse the day or two before and they listened to what she said, but they were not particularly interested in us. But there were things being said by nurses that were very interested in that happening that those within the UAN did not back. It created a huge problem that did not need to be there. From the beginning the thought of the MNM was to be all inclusive, period. That met nurses with various points of views, organizations with various points of view, all working on common ground regarding the issues that are affecting all of us. Unfortunately there were some that did not truly want to see that happen. And yes it left a bad taste in some mouths, myself included. The last email I received from the contact at the Michigan Nurses Association indicated that a copy of a letter I had sent out and pissed off some with in regards to what had been happening had been forwarded to her. She noted it sounded like things had changed in regards to my involvement with the organization, and that I had lots of examples of nurses not working together but that hopefully the organization could get past that. She went on to note she was concerned that I "felt results were poor" when contacting the state association. I was puzzled about that part for awhile because I went back and reread the letter I had written and there was nothing in that letter to indicate that was my feelings, I went back and reread postings on this site where the discussion for the MNM had been taking place, and could find no reference that I indicated the results from my state association were poor. Poor from others perhaps, but at least Michigan was willing to entertain the idea. I had been upset that the words of support or endorse had caused the MNA to feel "concern" because I wondered what words they would like me to use. This last email from the MNA goes on to say that she is certainly with me in feeling that nurses need to come together with a voice that lets the public know about nurses and their patients, with the caveat that she does not think that ONE MORE nursing organization is the answer, but she certainly understands the arguments. This is closed with, do keep us posted and do consider joining the MNA. I felt and still do feel why do they want me to keep them posted if they don't feel another group is going to be useful? I wondered who had sent her a copy of a letter that was internal to those that had been involved with the MNM idea? And from what reference did she find that I had said the results were poor from the association? If anything I was feeling that at least Michigan had been willing to entertain the notion whereas others were dead set against it. I still do not have the answers to those questions, nor do I expect to. The MNM has not rejected the state associations or the ANA. The state associations rejected us. As far as the national level of the ANA they have not been approached yet. So I can not say how they feel. Yes, someone from the Ohio State Association did express interest and frankly with all the disorganization going on at the time I don't believe anyone had ever gotten back with her. I did not remember that this person had expressed interest because at the time we were doing things on a state by state level and Ohio was not my state. A part of Pennsylvania expressed that they could support this, and they are planning a march on May 5, 2001 as originally we had all wanted. Kudos to them and to the nurse that kept that going.

I tell everyone that what has caused the problems in the first place was a few nurses that came into the process of the MNM in the beginning that pushed hard in regards to the UAN/ANA, basicly pushing the agenda that the UAN/ANA was the be all and end all. It pushed people away when we were trying to make this as inclusive as we possibly could feeling that it would be good for nurses and for our patients to work together for a change. When I see postings by those that are strongly pro ANA that tell me that what I want to do is insanity, that reeks of arrogence and sarcasm towards those that do not share that persons viewpoint on the ANA it makes me feel that the ANA is not for me. When I receive email from a nurse that states someone else needs mental help because she has an opposing viewpoint on the ANA, I can't help but wonder is this the normal way of doing business? Is this what is encouraged by ANA to their membership? When I am directed to go to the ANA site to see what legislation they have helped pass and all I can find is legislation that is for advanced practice nurses I wonder if they are hearing the bedside nurse. I, like so many others, am dismayed that the association that purports to want to represent me tells me I am not a professional because I don't hold a BSN. Somehow I am sure someone will tell me that is why I am 'not getting it'. Because obviously I can not have a grip on what is happening to my chosen career field without a BSN, anymore than can the mailman even though his wife is a nurse. After all I am just an ADN nurse and he is just a mailman. And it is just that attitude that has set up nurses to go at each others throats for as long as I have been doing this, and can be traced back 40 years at least. It is just that attitude that encourage the 'eating our young mentality' It isn't even our new grads we do it to, it is anyone we don't like, that is new to a unit, you name it, the excuses come in many forms.

It has not been those within the MNM that stayed true to the original purpose of the gourp that started this whole controversy. It was those that were within the MNM at the start that seemed to feel the only way to go was through the UAN/ANA. When the brakes were put on and we said no this is not the idea, then those that we vocal about that not happening were vilified. Myself included. When anything was posted about the MNM than someone else would post no, it's the ANA you need. And by the way it is one of the most prolific posters regarding the ANA that started this whole damn controversy in the first place. And yes I have posted back to those things. Don't tell me to go look at the wonderful legislation that the ANA has passed, for me to see that the only thing on that area of the website is legislation regarding advanced practice nurses, but nothing in regards to the bedside nurse and expect me to say what a great job the ANA is doing. When I went searching in regards to what all that legislation met actually I find that the NLN site notes the ANA has 180,000 members. Out of 2.6 million RNs. Frankly I was shocked, fully expected it to be more. Is it inappropriate to wonder why? Is it inappropriate for nurses, rather it is those within the MNM or not, to feel that the association has not been responsive to the issues we are grappling with? If I question I am badmouthing. If I frankly state that it is inappropriate for nurses to personally attack and bully others for holding views different than their own I am labeled a horizontal hypocrite. Not once have I questioned someones mental health because they did not feel the way I feel. I don't say that supporting the ANA is insanity, but Tim feels entirely comfortable in saying the idea of a march is insanity. To equate me and others that feel like I do with skinheads and anarchists that seek to pull down everything around themselves. To repeatedly refer to me and others like me as bra burners. It is not even the ANA or its pursuit of their agenda that is upsetting, it is members that behave like this with an elistist attitude, that refuse to leave room for anything but the ANA. What I have had to do is be able to separate the personal views and often nasty personal attacks of those that are simply members of the ANA, and the ANA itself.

In the end all I can say is the same thing I have been saying. The MNM is a vehicle in which the many varied voices in nursing can come together for common cause. That vehicle is available for all who want it. I leave it at that.

There are issues with the ANA that many nurses feel. I have felt them myself and won't hide that. At one time I was a member of the Michigan Nurses Association. At the time I was employed at a hospital that had a union through the MNA. When I left that hospital I did not continue my membership for two reasons. One, because I didn't feel they addressed issues that needed to be addressed, and two because I was now a single parent who truly could not afford the dues. Easy for someone that has not been in that financial situation to say what is nearly $400 a year? Spend that much money on gas or cigerettes or whatever. Let me tell you that for someone stuggling to pay the rent and make sure you have the money to buy winter coats and boots for your children it is a big deal. So go ahead and crucify me for being factual. When the Million Nurse March first came into being each of us that was actively working to make an idea a reality were encouraging the others to contact our state associations, the UAN etc... Guess what the response was? New Jersey said no couldn't do it. Illinois wouldn't even answer the nurse who made inquiries, Florida was afraid we would scare the public by airing what was happening. Texas was approached by a couple nurses over a couple months and just tried to get those nurses to instead join the TNA. My experience with the Michigan Nurses Association was at first positive and I had every intention of rejoining them until after I had interviewed with Nurseweek who then called the MNA since they had told me that they would feel comfortable with notifying their membership about what was planned and linking their site to ours. After the journelist had contacted them I got an email expressing concern that the journelist had used words like "support and endorse." At the same time another nurse from the MNM was getting nasty emails regarding a post that she had made that indicated she would cross picket lines and yes this came from strong union supporters within the MNM. I decided I was not going to be involved with either group, one because they seemed to be talking out of both sides of their mouths and the other because I didn't want to be part of a group that felt it was appropriate to be nasty and threatening to another, as if every person that joined the MNM had to toe the line on unions. That was not what I felt the MNM was supposed to be all about. On the heels of this I received an email from another nurse that was incredibly personally attacking of another nurse because of her feelings about the ANA and the UAN. It was like if there were members of the MNM that did not share the strong views of some nurses in regards to unions, particularly the UAN and the ANA then the goal was to intimidate and harrass those the held other views until they either left the MNM or changed their viewpoint to fit what a minority was pushing. And we did lose members, some because they did not want to be involved with a group that was strongly pro ANA/UAN and others because they would not support nurses behaving this way towards one another. Initially I was going to leave for the latter reason. I corresponded with the woman at the Michigan Nurses Association and without going into detail I simply told her that I would not be involved with the MNM any further, I apologized for the journelists use of wording that the MNA was not comfortable with and expressed that maybe my activities would be better with the MNA by rejoining the MNA.Wasn't sure exactly what I wanted to do at that point. I then received an email from another nurse that had been in this from the beginning expressing that she would like for me to think things through a bit more. I ended up calling this person after the email that was personally attacking towards another nurse for her views on the ANA/UAN. I suppose I was quite naive because I was feeling pretty shocked that someone could be so damn nasty to another for stating how they felt about the MNM being associated with the UAN. Anyway this nurse and myself began sharing different emails that we had received from a few people and something didn't quite add up right. It became apparent that there were emails that some of us were getting, while others were not. It is not worth going into all the details here. The feeling we took away from the phone conversation was that there were some that wanted very badly to put the MNM squarely in with the UAN. I can tell you that someone with the UAN had called this nurse the day or two before and they listened to what she said, but they were not particularly interested in us. But there were things being said by nurses that were very interested in that happening that those within the UAN did not back. It created a huge problem that did not need to be there. From the beginning the thought of the MNM was to be all inclusive, period. That met nurses with various points of views, organizations with various points of view, all working on common ground regarding the issues that are affecting all of us. Unfortunately there were some that did not truly want to see that happen. And yes it left a bad taste in some mouths, myself included. The last email I received from the contact at the Michigan Nurses Association indicated that a copy of a letter I had sent out and pissed off some with in regards to what had been happening had been forwarded to her. She noted it sounded like things had changed in regards to my involvement with the organization, and that I had lots of examples of nurses not working together but that hopefully the organization could get past that. She went on to note she was concerned that I "felt results were poor" when contacting the state association. I was puzzled about that part for awhile because I went back and reread the letter I had written and there was nothing in that letter to indicate that was my feelings, I went back and reread postings on this site where the discussion for the MNM had been taking place, and could find no reference that I indicated the results from my state association were poor. Poor from others perhaps, but at least Michigan was willing to entertain the idea. I had been upset that the words of support or endorse had caused the MNA to feel "concern" because I wondered what words they would like me to use. This last email from the MNA goes on to say that she is certainly with me in feeling that nurses need to come together with a voice that lets the public know about nurses and their patients, with the caveat that she does not think that ONE MORE nursing organization is the answer, but she certainly understands the arguments. This is closed with, do keep us posted and do consider joining the MNA. I felt and still do feel why do they want me to keep them posted if they don't feel another group is going to be useful? I wondered who had sent her a copy of a letter that was internal to those that had been involved with the MNM idea? And from what reference did she find that I had said the results were poor from the association? If anything I was feeling that at least Michigan had been willing to entertain the notion whereas others were dead set against it. I still do not have the answers to those questions, nor do I expect to. The MNM has not rejected the state associations or the ANA. The state associations rejected us. As far as the national level of the ANA they have not been approached yet. So I can not say how they feel. Yes, someone from the Ohio State Association did express interest and frankly with all the disorganization going on at the time I don't believe anyone had ever gotten back with her. I did not remember that this person had expressed interest because at the time we were doing things on a state by state level and Ohio was not my state. A part of Pennsylvania expressed that they could support this, and they are planning a march on May 5, 2001 as originally we had all wanted. Kudos to them and to the nurse that kept that going.

I tell everyone that what has caused the problems in the first place was a few nurses that came into the process of the MNM in the beginning that pushed hard in regards to the UAN/ANA, basicly pushing the agenda that the UAN/ANA was the be all and end all. It pushed people away when we were trying to make this as inclusive as we possibly could feeling that it would be good for nurses and for our patients to work together for a change. When I see postings by those that are strongly pro ANA that tell me that what I want to do is insanity, that reeks of arrogence and sarcasm towards those that do not share that persons viewpoint on the ANA it makes me feel that the ANA is not for me. When I receive email from a nurse that states someone else needs mental help because she has an opposing viewpoint on the ANA, I can't help but wonder is this the normal way of doing business? Is this what is encouraged by ANA to their membership? When I am directed to go to the ANA site to see what legislation they have helped pass and all I can find is legislation that is for advanced practice nurses I wonder if they are hearing the bedside nurse. I, like so many others, am dismayed that the association that purports to want to represent me tells me I am not a professional because I don't hold a BSN. Somehow I am sure someone will tell me that is why I am 'not getting it'. Because obviously I can not have a grip on what is happening to my chosen career field without a BSN, anymore than can the mailman even though his wife is a nurse. After all I am just an ADN nurse and he is just a mailman. And it is just that attitude that has set up nurses to go at each others throats for as long as I have been doing this, and can be traced back 40 years at least. It is just that attitude that encourage the 'eating our young mentality' It isn't even our new grads we do it to, it is anyone we don't like, that is new to a unit, you name it, the excuses come in many forms.

It has not been those within the MNM that stayed true to the original purpose of the gourp that started this whole controversy. It was those that were within the MNM at the start that seemed to feel the only way to go was through the UAN/ANA. When the brakes were put on and we said no this is not the idea, then those that we vocal about that not happening were vilified. Myself included. When anything was posted about the MNM than someone else would post no, it's the ANA you need. And by the way it is one of the most prolific posters regarding the ANA that started this whole damn controversy in the first place. And yes I have posted back to those things. Don't tell me to go look at the wonderful legislation that the ANA has passed, for me to see that the only thing on that area of the website is legislation regarding advanced practice nurses, but nothing in regards to the bedside nurse and expect me to say what a great job the ANA is doing. When I went searching in regards to what all that legislation met actually I find that the NLN site notes the ANA has 180,000 members. Out of 2.6 million RNs. Frankly I was shocked, fully expected it to be more. Is it inappropriate to wonder why? Is it inappropriate for nurses, rather it is those within the MNM or not, to feel that the association has not been responsive to the issues we are grappling with? If I question I am badmouthing. If I frankly state that it is inappropriate for nurses to personally attack and bully others for holding views different than their own I am labeled a horizontal hypocrite. Not once have I questioned someones mental health because they did not feel the way I feel. I don't say that supporting the ANA is insanity, but Tim feels entirely comfortable in saying the idea of a march is insanity. To equate me and others that feel like I do with skinheads and anarchists that seek to pull down everything around themselves. To repeatedly refer to me and others like me as bra burners. It is not even the ANA or its pursuit of their agenda that is upsetting, it is members that behave like this with an elistist attitude, that refuse to leave room for anything but the ANA. What I have had to do is be able to separate the personal views and often nasty personal attacks of those that are simply members of the ANA, and the ANA itself.

In the end all I can say is the same thing I have been saying. The MNM is a vehicle in which the many varied voices in nursing can come together for common cause. That vehicle is available for all who want it. I leave it at that.

Sorry for the mistake jt. It was my understanding that the CNA was larger than that, my error.

Sorry for the mistake jt. It was my understanding that the CNA was larger than that, my error.

From the CNAs website they indicate they are the second largest Registered Nurse Organization in the country but only have 30,000 nurses? Something doesn't jibe here. Need to go to the source I guess.

From the CNAs website they indicate they are the second largest Registered Nurse Organization in the country but only have 30,000 nurses? Something doesn't jibe here. Need to go to the source I guess.

I read these posts and i find a common thread...Each of you is RIGHT!! There is no wrong on these posts..merely different perspectives of history. History lives in the mind of the historian. It is useful, yes, but will paralyze us in the long run if we dwell there. All posters are RIGHT with their individual solutions. None are wrong. The bottom line for all nurses now is to understand our history, but create a NEW future. Creation occurs in the present moment only, not in the past and not in the future. The challenge for us all is to CREATE, not destroy; live in the moment, not in the past; to acknowledge diversity of thought, not to castigate others for not sharing ours. Our financial, personal, work, career lives hang in the balance here. What would our nursing lives look like if we created something new????

regards to all

chas

I read these posts and i find a common thread...Each of you is RIGHT!! There is no wrong on these posts..merely different perspectives of history. History lives in the mind of the historian. It is useful, yes, but will paralyze us in the long run if we dwell there. All posters are RIGHT with their individual solutions. None are wrong. The bottom line for all nurses now is to understand our history, but create a NEW future. Creation occurs in the present moment only, not in the past and not in the future. The challenge for us all is to CREATE, not destroy; live in the moment, not in the past; to acknowledge diversity of thought, not to castigate others for not sharing ours. Our financial, personal, work, career lives hang in the balance here. What would our nursing lives look like if we created something new????

regards to all

chas

Now that you're down from the cross, RNCOUNTRY, what will your next task be? People like you who play the martyr, quite frankly, sicken me.

The debate over ADN/BSN is quite legitimate. We need to have one degree that designates entry into professional practice- just so you can't twist this, like you do everything else in this site, I will type it in caps: A BSN DOES NOT MAKE SOMEONE A BETTER NURSE THAN SOMEONE WITH AN ADN- HOWEVER THE CONCEPT OF HAVING ONE DEGREE THAT DESIGNATES ENTRY INTO PRACTICE IS A HALLMARK OF ANY PROFESSION. I am sure you will have that twisted by tonight, though.

You give a beautiful portrait of the 'coal miners daughter' who is trying to provide for a family and can't afford to belong to your nurses association otherwise you will have to sell Mary into slavery to pay the bill at the Mercantile- otherwise nasty Nellie Olson will talk about us in Miss Beatle's schoolhouse and make fun of us---bull. I have bills too, but I also have a profession, and the only way to propell it further and improve conditions... even for so-called 'elitists' such as myself.

Insofar as the mail man thing... what a joke... nurses need to be led by that NURSES- be they elitist or bedside, or sickroom, or obstetric, or WHATEVER label you wish to give them. The development of nursing has been hindered far too long by non-nurses- Nursing needs to claim what belongs to them, and be willing to pay financially for our political agenda. It will help us today, and secure the profession for tomorrow, or are you self-centered to not care about who will inherit nursing? I for one hope that I can leave nursing better than I found it- for tomorrow's generation of nurses.

Now that you're down from the cross, RNCOUNTRY, what will your next task be? People like you who play the martyr, quite frankly, sicken me.

The debate over ADN/BSN is quite legitimate. We need to have one degree that designates entry into professional practice- just so you can't twist this, like you do everything else in this site, I will type it in caps: A BSN DOES NOT MAKE SOMEONE A BETTER NURSE THAN SOMEONE WITH AN ADN- HOWEVER THE CONCEPT OF HAVING ONE DEGREE THAT DESIGNATES ENTRY INTO PRACTICE IS A HALLMARK OF ANY PROFESSION. I am sure you will have that twisted by tonight, though.

You give a beautiful portrait of the 'coal miners daughter' who is trying to provide for a family and can't afford to belong to your nurses association otherwise you will have to sell Mary into slavery to pay the bill at the Mercantile- otherwise nasty Nellie Olson will talk about us in Miss Beatle's schoolhouse and make fun of us---bull. I have bills too, but I also have a profession, and the only way to propell it further and improve conditions... even for so-called 'elitists' such as myself.

Insofar as the mail man thing... what a joke... nurses need to be led by that NURSES- be they elitist or bedside, or sickroom, or obstetric, or WHATEVER label you wish to give them. The development of nursing has been hindered far too long by non-nurses- Nursing needs to claim what belongs to them, and be willing to pay financially for our political agenda. It will help us today, and secure the profession for tomorrow, or are you self-centered to not care about who will inherit nursing? I for one hope that I can leave nursing better than I found it- for tomorrow's generation of nurses.

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