Magnet hospitals - page 3
I've been hearing some stuff lately about "magnate hospitals". Could someone elaborate more on this -- I only know the basics. What are the qualities needed to get recognized as a magnate hospital?... Read More
Feb 3, '06Bad news for RNs at U.C. Davis magnet hospital, read on............ http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11096623/
Feb 3, '06While this may be an old thread, thanks for the bump, i wanted more info on a Magnet status, since a hospital i'm considering was approved for it.
Feb 7, '06Our hospital is in the Hudson Valley in NY and we are currently at the very begining of trying to get the nurses on board to start working towards Magnet Status!
Our problem is our management style in this hospital. It is so militant (not one bit an exaggeration either). The nurses have no faith in our management and now they want us to believe that we will have shared governance!
A couple of nurses went to an inservice to a hospital who just got their Magnet status last fall and was encouraged by what they saw there. The nurses there are empowered and everyone appears very satisfied with their work environment.
The problem with our situation is that we are in the middle of contract negotiations and they want to take back some things that are already in the current contract! They are not negotiating at all (they keep leaving the sessions and not coming back), they continue with the same management style but want us to have faith that everything is going to change!
How are you going to get an entire hospital staff to change their outlook and work towards Magnet when management has shown no change?
Has anyone else been able to accomplish this?
Feb 24, '06I may be in the minority, but I believe Magnet status does identify hospitals that will support their nursing staff. I am a new graduate, and in college had the opportunity to rotate through 3 hospitals- one regional Magnet hospital, one community magnet hospital, and one community hospital without magnet status. I found the Magnet hospitals to be far more supporting of their nursing staff. With many variables at play, however, I didn't think much of it.
When it came time to interview, I expected most hospitals would consider nurses part of their professional workforce, use a shared governance model, and demonstrate a positive teamwork-focused relationship between physicians, nurses, and unlicensed staff. Boy, was I naive. I interviewed at many hospitals on the top 100 list, and was amazed by the percentage that were not Magnet, and still treated nurses as part of the room rate.
I really feel that this is the difference between Magnet and non-Magnet hospitals. Magnet hospitals may not be an ideal nursing environment, but have the model in place to treat nurses as professionals involved in the organization at the highest level. If you are unsatisfied with your working conditions at a Magnet hospital, you have the opportunity to get involved in hosptial politics to effect your desired change. The hospitals in my college town both attained Magnet status while I was a student. I spoke to nurses involved in the process, and they said the struggle and success of magnet is education- Making physicians and administration aware of the scope of our practice, and how beneficial it is to have us involved in the decision-making process.
I ended up selecting a hospital that is in the process of receiving Magnet status that has long been recognized as a top research "Medical" center. The nurses do not expect the treatment I'm used to, and the physicians aren't accustomed to giving it. I have joined the Magnet committee (as a fresh grad) to educate the staff on the implications and brainstorm ways to bridge this gap.
Magnet isn't a solution, but it's a step in the right direction if we want to be treated as professionals.
Young and idealistic,
Feb 24, '06Thanks, Chellebelle!
I want to be encouraged and I look forward in working towards getting the Magnet Status for my hospital. It would be the first in our area. The RN's are just so discouraged right now, that I know it is going to be a challenge until they see management also working towards the same goals.
Dec 19, '06What I have heard about Magnet hospitals , is that they often eliminate positions occupied by LVNs and Licensed Psychiatric Technicians.
Because the RNs have bonded together to get rid of these nurses.
They think that they are causing the loss of quality in the hospitals.
Which is a generalization of probably a small percent of LVNs, and LPTs
who are not up to par with the quality expected.
There is an underlying CONSPIRACY to get LVNs And LPTs out of their hospitals. Creating unemployment and a profession that will not be respected.
Instead of offering these nurses more education and an opportunity to
improve on their perfromance.
I know, it happened to me.
And I do a damn good job and have NEVER knowingly had a Med error.
Dec 19, '06Quote from tnnurseat our hospital, they visited every nursing unit and the magnet surveyors (not management) selected which staff they had breakfast/lunch with. they were given a list of names of all staff working those days and the surveyors went down the list and picked names. the surveyors also met with union leadership (with no hospital management present), and held an advertised meeting away from the hospital for "disgruntled employeees"- again, no management present. they asked staff about their managers, about their opinions of the quality of care, about staffing, whether they felt supported by management.....pretty much everything.[font="garamond"]
they will interview a "very selectively chosen group" by that hospital.the ones who know there are safety issues like icus staffed with new grad nurses and a new grad in charge with no one acls certified on select nights will...of course ....be one of "those units" that they elect to not interiew.they will avoid those units like the plague and not ask the staff nurses any questions/be allowed access to them.
Dec 19, '06Question - is magnet participation mandatory? If you're voted to be on a council, can it be mandatory that you do it? Just curious since our hospital says it is.
Dec 19, '06Quote from EmerNurseMagnet participation is not mandatory for a hospital to operate. Your participation in an employer required council may be a part of your employment. Check you HR policies. I would think if you did not want to participate, your employer would not want you on the council. That said, be careful. You must always portray yourself as a team player, if you cannot, I would get another job. If there is a specific issue for you (child care etc.) that you cannot participate, discuss with your manager. In my experience, Magnet is a political/public relations objective for your administration, and/or a successful change tool for nursing leadership. I am sure there are excellent organizations out there with Magnet status who do utilize, participate and demonstrate the principal of Magnet - excellence in nursing - but, sadly for many it is only a badge - hopefully in your situation, Magnet will be utilized to empower, improve and facilitate change for your nurses.Question - is magnet participation mandatory? If you're voted to be on a council, can it be mandatory that you do it? Just curious since our hospital says it is.
Dec 19, '06Magnet status is something my hospital is working on. I don't really get it, and I don't trust what I don't understand. So far all I've gotten out of it is that we all had to read the Disney book, sign a banner, wear a pin, and administration brought us lunch a few times.
I *think* we have to have some kinds of committees--there is a self-governance comittee that looks interesting but I am not sure if it is magnet related or not---but my gut tells me it is because that might be the empowerment stuff that magnet is supposed to bring.
I learned the hospital was going to magnet and I thought that meant that it was a place where nurses want to work. The facility is good, better than some in my area. But the same old same old stuff happens. I don't think magnet status will affect the issues that we face as bedside nurses---too many patients, too few staff, and long hours with less pay than we are worth.
Dec 19, '06I know that most nurses who belong to a magnet hospital appear to be happier. They are apparently paid better and have sign on bonuses. Recruitment bonsuses and retention bonuses.
Jan 11, '07I have worked at two hospitals with Magnet distinction and Ive come to the sad conclusion that it is indeed soley a marketing ploy used to convert the public's trust of nurses into cold hard cash. I have seen this distinction touted on advertisements and newsletters even as the the key magnet principals are shoved to the wayside. I am currently at a Magnet facility (just designated within the past year) and in the time after distinction the facility has managed to redo hospital staffing procedures for the worse (no longer taking acuity into account and averaging productivity) which directly translates to dangerous working conditions. It has also redone the staffing shift grids for the worse, techs included. This all done under the advice and money crunching of a financial consulting firm (these people have no idea what it is like to be a bedside nurse yet are in effect writing our nursing ratios!!) I have recently become certified for my specialty and was denied reimbursement for my exam. Continuing education is not financially supported. Our unit morale is at an all time low.
The thing that bothers me most is staffing ratios are not even considered during the magnet application process. That should have been a tip off right there. If a facility was sincerely interested in quality care and nursing satisfaction, staffing ratios would be the first to be examined.