Lazy Student Nurse Preceptors! - page 5

I am furious over my most recent clinical experience. I'm in my last semester of school and graduating in May. Our school waits until 4th semester to learn IV's. Well, the "goals" for this... Read More

  1. by   Flo1216
    Perhaps the nursing programs in your area are inferior,Fab. I can only speak for my own program. We fill out our own check lists and come up with our own nursing diagnoses. I guess that would annoy me too if I were in your shoes. But what I am talking about is when an instructor introduces me to a staff nurse whom I wll share a patient with and she rolls her eyes and groans, " I have a student today?" I don't think I deserve to be treated that way. I don't think I deserve to be snapped at by a nurse when I tell her the pt is requesting something for pain and he has nothing ordered and students are not allowed to call the doctor. Am I wrong for relaying pt concerns to the nurse if the concern is something I cannot help them with? I don't think so. Like I said, it is tough all over. I am sorry that the nursing students in your area can't seem to think for themselves. Send them over to my school. We have a good program. We just need more instructors!
  2. by   montroyal
    Originally posted by Flo1216
    Perhaps the nursing programs in your area are inferior,Fab. I can only speak for my own program. We fill out our own check lists and come up with our own nursing diagnoses. I guess that would annoy me too if I were in your shoes. But what I am talking about is when an instructor introduces me to a staff nurse whom I wll share a patient with and she rolls her eyes and groans, " I have a student today?"


    This only goes to show how inferior your school is by assigning student nurses to hospital staff who are not employeed by your school and have not choosen to become nursing instructors. Staff nurses have enough to do in their job description without adding clinical instructor. If a nurse wants to assume that additional responsibility, thats their decision. To have an instructor force these extra duties upon an already busy staff nurse who has not choosen to assume these additional responsibilities or liabilities, only goes to show why nursing is not considered a profession by a majority of the public. You are paying your school to provide you with an education and the experiences you need, not the staff nurses. Where did you get the attitude that it is the staff nurse responsibility to train you for free? Being a student nurse does not give you the right to be forced upon anyone with RN after their name. Would you be willing to pay these staff nurses for their time and knowledge? You pay your school and nursing instructors for this, why not the staff nurses? Your attitude of forcing more responsibilities upon nurses without compensation only goes to weaken nursing as a hole and is the core reason so many people are leaving the nursing field. There is no nursing shortage, only a shortage of nurses who are willing to work in substandard professional conditions.
    Preceptors for new nurses who are employed by the hospital are trainned and paid extra by the hospital. They choose to assume these duties and have them included in their job description. Having the ability to choose is part of a professional attitude and working enviorment.
  3. by   fab4fan
    So nice of you Flo, to resort to insults...
  4. by   Flo1216
    I didn't believe I was resorting to insults. I wasn't the one complaining about the nursing students that come to your hospital.. Also, my school is hospital based. That is, the hospital in which I do my clinical rotation owns my school and the preceptors do get paid exta. And I never suggested that the nurses have to TRAIN me. When I say I am assigned to a nurse, I mean that I share certain pts so they are some things that I may have to communicate with that nurse regarding that patient. But for God's sake, they could be a little nicer. But I guess they should be paid extra for that too. Some of them are just downright nasty. and it is really not necessary.
  5. by   fab4fan
    Originally posted by Flo1216
    Perhaps the nursing programs in your area are inferior,Fab.
    Oh, yeah, that's not an insult...whatever!

    I don't get paid extra to help students/precept newbies, BTW. But like I said, Flo, whatever...
  6. by   Flo1216
    Hey, you were the one complaining about the students coming from these programs, not me. I was just agreeing with you.
  7. by   Flo1216
    The preceptors in the hospital where I work get paid extra. And they should be. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. If someone doesn't feel comfortable precepting somone, however, they should talk it over with their supervisor, not take it out on the student. That is all I am saying.
  8. by   fab4fan
    I wasn't complaining about all students...I was complaining about students who expect to "download" all of my information and experience, who expect to be spoonfed, who act as if they are entitled to use staff as their personal preceptors, and never extend themselves in turn.

    Whatever...any criticism makes us "meanie meanie jellybeanies", or carnivors of new nurses.
  9. by   Flo1216
    I don't agree with that though, Fab. There is a difference between constructive criticism and the pirannah-like behavior exhibited by some nurses who simply are not receptive to students. I welcome constructive criticism because I know it can only make me a better nurse -what I do not welcome is my future coworkers grumbling and rolling their eyes at the thought of my very existence. In addition to being a minor inconvienience in their day, I am also a person. And I have feelings.
  10. by   fab4fan
    I never said that...what I said was that there are some students who feel that if it's not on their checklist, then they don't have to do it. If you are co-assigned to another nurse, then you work together as a team; it's not just pick and choose what you want to do. Since that nurse is going to be slowed down by precepting you, it only seems fair that you give her a hand in return.

    Oh well, you'll see when you are practicing...
  11. by   Flo1216
    I actually agree with you about the checklist thing. I mean if inserting a foley is on my checklist and I check it off, I wouldn't refuse to do it again just because I checked it off. How else will you become good at something unless you do it over and over? That is a silly concept and I can see where you may get frustrated.
  12. by   hapeewendy
    its not all about the snazzy exciting skills on your checklist
    nursing is far beyond that....SOME
    nursing students these days (and I havent been a nurse for that long so its not like old gramma wendy is piping up about the good old days) do seem to think that they are owed something , which I dont understand at all .... you have to realize that yes although you do have a preceptor in the hospital you should use your instructor or your school as more of a resource. I find a lot of pressure is put on the nurses on my unit who precept and the instructors sometimes get away with doing less than they should as a result of the floor nurse taking on everything.
    People need to remember that they are paying big bucks to go to school and that the people working at their schools are there to help them and ARE to be used as a resource for students...
    often times its the students who think they know so much about everything that end up falling flat on their faces when they start practicing nursing. Sorry to say that care and meeting hygenic needs of your patients is a MAJOR part of nursing and it needs to be done, so just cuz you may have done that first semester and want to move on to more "exciting" or "new" skills, doesnt mean that this stuff is going to magically disappear or be done by someone else...
  13. by   fab4fan
    Wendles: ^5!!

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