Incompetent nurses - page 7

I didn't know whether to list this as vent or concern, so I guess I'll just let it all out. I have been an RN for about 3 years and was a street medic for 7 years before that. I feel like I might be... Read More

  1. by   Chloe'sinNYNow
    Quote from jlsRN
    Not nice, it does sound like he has legitimate complaints, even if he lacks diplomacy. It sounds as if his unit setup is contributing to some serious errors, and perhaps his charge nurse is a poor role model and/or incompetant.
    A lot of "counseling" is determinant in not only what is said, but how it is said. Until this trait is learned, many should refrain altogether from speaking. Engage the brain before opening the mouth to speak. Too many people have a need to hear their own voice, and loudly at that. There are many methods to learn from and anger management is a good one. Maybe even this forum. It certainly gets attention, but I should not be slapped for my simple statement when so many have spoken volumes. Mine rings with just as much truth. My background is in social science. My first degree was a BA in social welfare and I dealt with domestic violence victims, rape crisis situations, and assualt victims as their advocate.
    I stand by my comment w/ no reserve. Remember nursing is about compassion and empathy to do no harm. Lacking diplomacy is a big void to consider as one's own need for learning.

    Jls, you don't like what I say but you riddle your own reply w/ a lot of "what if's". Nice of you to offer him the benefit but to forget that nursing includes anything I've mentioned here?
    Sorry, but I cannot recant. It still makes too much sense to me, that attitude such as his, can and will worsen someone in need .

    Chloe
  2. by   FireStarterRN
    I just think it's time to drop the subject of the OP's harsh opening post and concentrate on the underlying legitimate complaint. He never stated that he wanted to become a counselor, why continue to ridicule his communication deficiencies? I thought this thread had moved beyond that to more contructive dialogue.
  3. by   CHATSDALE
    tweety, just who did she think was assessing pt to decide whether/when to call the rr team...if the other nurses were that competent then they culd have gone home and you and her could have had a one on one tutor..but you did the right thing in letting it slide
    some battles ae best won by not entering into the flay
  4. by   Chloe'sinNYNow
    Quote from jlsRN
    I just think it's time to drop the subject of the OP's harsh opening post and concentrate on the underlying legitimate complaint. He never stated that he wanted to become a counselor, why continue to ridicule his communication deficiencies? I thought this thread had moved beyond that to more contructive dialogue.
    If that's how you feel, why point out how I wrote my thoughts? Read what I am trying to say. I think I wrote it pretty well.
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from CHATSDALE
    ok, so op culd have some god points BUT if a patient is in danger from from incompetence it is not a time to hand wringing and fingerpointing
    it needs to be addressed by filing a detailed reportthrough proper channels
    incompetence can be recitified with further training, removal of said nurse from floor..to do nothing is incmpetnece in itself

    I completely totally agree. After calling q1h with a patient's rhythm it might be time to bump it up the chain of command. We had a patient with a heart rate in the 180's, one medical doc didn't want to do anything, the manager of the unit monitoring the heart was reported to, reported it to the head cardiologist, etc. and something was done.
    Last edit by Tweety on Sep 25, '07
  6. by   FireStarterRN
    Quote from Tweety
    I was the only med-surg nurse in ACLS recently, the rest were ER and ICU nurses. The educator was part of the new rapid response team, who said "the reason we're starting the rapid response team is to help the med-surg nurse because they don't have good assessment skills and they are uncomfortable talking to doctors............"

    No. lie. My jaw just dropped, but that's a battle I didn't choose that day.
    Unfortunately, some of the "specialties" tend to have this elititist attitude, not realizing that med/surg nurses are also specialists. They are experts at efficient multitasking and prioritizing that is unparalled in nursing. The rapid response team helps maximize their efficiency by providing the necessary support system to enhance patient safety.
  7. by   Tweety
    Quote from jlsRN
    I just think it's time to drop the subject of the OP's harsh opening post and concentrate on the underlying legitimate complaint. He never stated that he wanted to become a counselor, why continue to ridicule his communication deficiencies? I thought this thread had moved beyond that to more contructive dialogue.
    Funny you mentioned this because I was going to myself.

    FRIENDLY MODERATOR NOTE

    I've been letting this discussion go, but I agree, it's time to stop flaming and putting down the original poster. It's been done for 8 pages and the op has gotten the message.

    Please lets not talk about the op back and forth to one another either.

    Stick with the issues, or move on from this thread, it's getting old.

    Thanks so much.

    Further flames to the op or each other will be deleted.
    Last edit by Tweety on Sep 25, '07
  8. by   shuuu1968
    Quote from Tweety
    I was the only med-surg nurse in ACLS recently, the rest were ER and ICU nurses. The educator was part of the new rapid response team, who said "the reason we're starting the rapid response team is to help the med-surg nurse because they don't have good assessment skills and they are uncomfortable talking to doctors............"

    No. lie. My jaw just dropped, but that's a battle I didn't choose that day.
    Wow, that is harsh, and so demeaning, and downright not true. I had a patient a few weeks ago (I am in a cardiac/neuro unit) anyhoo...this patient was on peritoneal dialysis, and had an order for the night cycler. I can catch an early stroke, read a cardiac strip, but I have never even SEEN a night cycler machine, let alone know how to use one. Guess what? I called a nurse from MED-SURG to come educate me. This rn was so good, she knew everythign about PD and the cycler. We all have our specialties, all units have emergent situations. I know there are incompetent people in all fields. I will also say, I have spoken to the MD's at 3am who want to do nothing when my patient goes into afib w/rvr, or my A&Ox3 pt suddenly cannot talk me, and the MD says "I'll see them in the morning." Talk about incompetence. Hey, I see incompetence at Walmart. We all as professionals need to take it upon ourselves to be the best we can be at whatever aspect of healthcare we choose to work in. If we know we don't know something...ASK!!! Seek education, sign up for CE hours, attend seminars offered by your institutions.

    Phew....thanks for letting get on my soapbox.....I,m stepping off now...

    Peace out
  9. by   sharona97
    You are absolutley right about WM. Let's hope we never see urgent care station there.lol
  10. by   nursemike
    Quote from Sabby_NC
    Heck I read that topic as Impotent nurses!:trout::trout::trout::trout: LOL
    At my last physical, my MD asked whether I'd been having any ED problems. Fortunately, I haven't had to be a patient in our Emergency Dept. for some time, but after giving the matter some thought, I had to admit that the report they give usually sucks.
  11. by   cardiacRN2006
    :roll
  12. by   Poochee
    medicrnguy, i am a nurse living with a cardiac arrhythnia, and believe me, i'd rather you be my nurse any day over someone less competent. i see you have got alot of snobbish remarks, trust me they are just jealous and too lazy to get the education that would qualify for the position, they are currently working. hats off to you.
    side note, be more aggressive, save patients, if they cant hang, thats they're arses.
    i love nurses like you!!!!!!!!
    kepp doing what you do. hugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  13. by   TamrRN07
    All in all, i'm an optimist. Egos shouldn't get in the way of patient care. An understatement of the year.

    My brother is a paramedic. He tested for his license the same week I tested for my RN. We both busted our butts through school and have always appreciated eachother's career route.

    One of our favorite things is to get together and talk about our experience. We both learn from eachother.

    He has listened to me vent about incompetent nurses, just like I have heard him blast his coworkers....

    Education doesn't stop after we get that shiny license!!! If I am uncomfortable with something, I ask, take a class on it, and buy the book... my brother does the same. Some people are just in these professions for the adrenaline rush or the money... and those are the ones I am terrified of b/c they don't give a *(&#

    I'm sorry for the dissapointments you have encountered, but try and change it and not just feed into the complaints.
    Last edit by TamrRN07 on Sep 26, '07

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