in need of advice after getting fired

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My situation is as follows:

I have only been an RN for a year; up until today I had been employed on the MR/autism floor of a large psychiatric hospital. I will make no bones about it, I am not a brain surgeon, nor was my job brain surgery; I passed meds to either 13 adults on one wing, or 11 children on the other wing -- what everyone has in common is aggression as a targeted behavior. I am also not delusional about why I was employed there; I am stronger than the patients, & I have a high tolerance to pain. I was good at what I did, however. By being a real person, I was able to successfully deescalate crisis situations on many occasions. My ancillary staff loved me because, unlike some of the other RNs, I treated them as equals with all of us striving to successfully make it through a shift; although the place was/is a cesspool, together, we truly attempted to provide quality care. And those are the reasons I enjoyed the job, regardless of the 40 mile drive. The reasons I felt like sticking the barrel of my 12 gauge in my mouth are too numerous to mention.

Here is how I got fired today. I am a bit rough around the edges, & that may be why I was able to achieve success with most of my patients. I was working an 11a to 1130p shift on the kids side today, & in the course of adminstering 1400 meds to a new (to me) patient this afternoon, I was unexpectedly attacked with an unexpected ferocity. I would have never guessed this little guy would have had the ability to hit or kick so hard. All I could do was take a butt kicking while I held the med-laced applesauce up high enough so it wouldn't become part of the crap stained carpet & I wouldn't have to wait for pharm to bring me down some more. I had good ancillary staff today & they all like me because of what I previously mentioned, & they were on this kid & took him down. I'm like "geez, let's try it on the floor, then." This kid was writhing like a ***** off aligator & he wasn't having none of it. It might not sound nice, but many times on this unit, the only way to get meds into a patient is the hard way. I wasn't even mad at the kid when I conversationally asked him to please just take the ******** meds. And honestly, that is not the first time I've conversationally used the term, & just as honestly, I'm truly cognizant that this is not an appropriate manner to speak to a patient, but equally as honestly, I gotta tell you, that is the very least of the problems on that floor. Okay, but anyway, regardless of how many times I slipped up in the past, this was the first time it happened when the PHD Behavioral Specialist was just coming through the door in the hallway where I was attempting to get this boy to take a mg of Tenex. I won't go into how ballistic she got & how apologetic I got, but the long & short of it is that I wound up getting a letter of suspension which at this place, is simply a formality prior to getting fired. They asked me if I wanted a union rep as I wrote up a staement, & I was like, nah lets just get it done, so we did, & I wrote up what happened pretty much the way I wrote it up top.

All right, it doesn't kill me to lose this job, it was hardly my dream job, 80 mile roundtrip, I was serving time in a tribe with way too many chiefs & not enough Indians -- I had no aspirations beyond throwing pills or being part of the goon-squad. But what does concern me is getting fired. I just got through submitting an online application to another psych hospital in the area, & when it got to the part about why I left my last job, well, what could I say? I wrote it like I wrote it up top. I also wrote that I felt that I learned a life changing lesson, & hopefully I have, but who knows? I've already confessed to being a tad rough around the edges, I'm possibly on the fringes of being bi-polar, & this was a mid-life career change; I spent 30 previous years in airplane hangars working with men who used the F-Bomb as a noun, verb, adjective and adverb. (It's almost comical that this is what I got fired for when I consider all the rules I used to break to get the job done.) Regardless, how should I handle this as I search for a new job? Will I even get through the front door once I write on an application what i wrote up top? I have a friend who use to do agency work; he gave me the name & assured me it wouldn't matter if I was a convicted serial killer, but the benefits aren't there....

I'm a veteran, & I'd really like to try to apply that to starting a career at a VA hospital, & I also know a girl who graduated with me who told me previously that where she was working (way closer to home) was always going through nurses, however she said she was not infatuated w/ the DON.... I mean, I honestly think I'd rather sling pills at this LTC & drive 20 or 30 minutes as opposed to the 1.5 hour drive I was making.... But assuming they even are truly hiring, once again, how do I get past the getting fired part?

Anyway, I'm open to all suggestions & advice.

Thanks/matt

I personally would fight the termination, it is wrong to use inappropriate language but I don't know if this deserves termination.

Second you were given an unrealistic work situation, no one could have performed well. I think you have to put down on your resume, ask a co work or supervisor for a reference. And just tell your next employer the truth.

Why did you choose a position so far away, did they pay well ? Sometimes these jobs pay more since they are horrible.

Alex, I just really don't feel like being somewhere where I'm not wanted, & after practically the whole lower management team bailed out over the winter, I haven't really felt appreciated by anyone but ancillary staff. The will to fight it just isn't there.

You are correct: the situation at that place in reality was not what the two psychiatrists & the behavioral specialist see in their mind when they do their short little walk throughs.

I have a couple of ex-managers I can use as a reference, & you are giving me another vote for truth, so I guess truth with admission of "I was wrong, but learned from it," wins out.

I chose that particular job, because I wanted to work psych (& the pay was miserable) & I stayed there because the manager who hired me (not my current manager) won my undying loyalty. It was a long haul, & not one I was particularly fond of, & once I was there, I had to pay for parking; ergo, the job was no cherry, but I just kept doing it, even when I was not crazy about the new management team, simply because I was always too tired to seriously look for anything else. I guess I resolved that problem, huh?

Anyway, thanks for the advice/Matt

Specializes in jack of all trades.

Matt, you sound very well versed and appear to have excellent insight to your behavior and the rational behind it. Like you I am a vet (vietnam era) and was an MP who went into nursing. So believe me when I say I cant tell you how many time I want to let the F bomb loose or have when I left the situation where no one else could hear me LOL. It's easy for others to judge but they werent in your shoes. I'm in a different situation in which I left a job as the Manager due to a very abusive administrator working in chronic dialysis. Many of my patients were very difficult but knew what they were doing when they abused staff verbally and even physically at times unlike your situation. So I do understand. Your work enviroment of course was much more difficult then mine so sounds like you held your own as long as you could. Like others my advice would be to not put it in writing on your applications but do discuss the reasoning on your interview. Describe it in a way as you have here showing you recognize it was inappropriate and is a "lesson learned". I've been in nursing 30 years and dont regret things that have happened due to my own mistakes as I always learned something from them to apply in my future endevours. If you see it as a regret and punish yourself over and over then it will always be a stain in your own mind. I think you will find in the long run there are employers who will be empathic and willing to give you that second chance. Be upfront and honest but do it constructively. I see you are well versed and believe you can present yourself in a way a new employer will see how you can be an asset to them. Sell yourself well and be careful on your choice of words with them and you will do well. :)

my situation is as follows:

i have only been an rn for a year; up until today i had been employed on the mr/autism floor of a large psychiatric hospital. i will make no bones about it, i am not a brain surgeon, nor was my job brain surgery; i passed meds to either 13 adults on one wing, or 11 children on the other wing -- what everyone has in common is aggression as a targeted behavior. i am also not delusional about why i was employed there; i am stronger than the patients, & i have a high tolerance to pain. i was good at what i did, however. by being a real person, i was able to successfully deescalate crisis situations on many occasions. my ancillary staff loved me because, unlike some of the other rns, i treated them as equals with all of us striving to successfully make it through a shift; although the place was/is a cesspool, together, we truly attempted to provide quality care. and those are the reasons i enjoyed the job, regardless of the 40 mile drive. the reasons i felt like sticking the barrel of my 12 gauge in my mouth are too numerous to mention.

here is how i got fired today. i am a bit rough around the edges, & that may be why i was able to achieve success with most of my patients. i was working an 11a to 1130p shift on the kids side today, & in the course of adminstering 1400 meds to a new (to me) patient this afternoon, i was unexpectedly attacked with an unexpected ferocity. i would have never guessed this little guy would have had the ability to hit or kick so hard. all i could do was take a butt kicking while i held the med-laced applesauce up high enough so it wouldn't become part of the crap stained carpet & i wouldn't have to wait for pharm to bring me down some more. i had good ancillary staff today & they all like me because of what i previously mentioned, & they were on this kid & took him down. i'm like "geez, let's try it on the floor, then." this kid was writhing like a ***** off aligator & he wasn't having none of it. it might not sound nice, but many times on this unit, the only way to get meds into a patient is the hard way. i wasn't even mad at the kid when i conversationally asked him to please just take the ******** meds. and honestly, that is not the first time i've conversationally used the term, & just as honestly, i'm truly cognizant that this is not an appropriate manner to speak to a patient, but equally as honestly, i gotta tell you, that is the very least of the problems on that floor. okay, but anyway, regardless of how many times i slipped up in the past, this was the first time it happened when the phd behavioral specialist was just coming through the door in the hallway where i was attempting to get this boy to take a mg of tenex. i won't go into how ballistic she got & how apologetic i got, but the long & short of it is that i wound up getting a letter of suspension which at this place, is simply a formality prior to getting fired. they asked me if i wanted a union rep as i wrote up a staement, & i was like, nah lets just get it done, so we did, & i wrote up what happened pretty much the way i wrote it up top.

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anyway, i'm open to all suggestions & advice.

thanks/matt

^^^i haven't read the rest of this thread so if this hasn't been mentioned already by someone else then here's a a tip - if you are in a union then you always want a rep. saying "no thanks" in your situation is the same thing as being arrested for something and saying "i'll pass on the attorney, let me just write you my statement". we only know your side of the story here, but legally speaking "suspension" means suspension - not "termination". competent representation can help you with that.

Thanks, Lacie; thanks, Sunray.

Lacie, I was too young for Viet Nam & too old for desert storm; you have my respect.

Thanks for the advice.

Sunray, I'd have to say I already blew the union angle, & that may have been because along with a passive deathwish I feel I have, I must have had a passive wish not to be there anymore.

Regardless, I was told before that the way the firing process worked there, was they sent you off the property with a suspension letter, & mailed you the termination letter.

Specializes in jack of all trades.

Just keep in mind that sometimes things happen for a reason. I have always found it only opened up new doors for me in the long run that only benefited my life and career as a nurse.

I would not consider myself fired until I actually receive the termination letter. You might be the one person that is only suspended with the expectation that you return to work after the suspension. Call when the suspension is up and see if you are back on the schedule if you don't get the letter. Good luck either way.

Thanks Lacie, we will see where it takes me.

I hear you, Caliotter, but I really think it's a done deal.

I just typed to someone that there was a lot about it that I didn't like when mngmnt wanted me there, it's been a whole lot tougher since that mgmnt all left.

Maybe I had a passive wish to get fired, not unlike the passive death wish I often feel I have. Dropping the f-bomb the way I did may be the equivalent of how I get on the gas hard when going around corners on wet roads.

As far as the letter they had typed up for me, it was basically a "don't call us, we'll call you," but whatever, it's the bed I made & I'll lie in it.

Thanks again/Matt

I made that suggestion so that you don't fail to go back to work after your suspension and then get fired for being a "no call, no show". You never know what an employer will pull. Just because their normal mo is to mail termination letters, doesn't mean they will do so in this case. Good luck whatever happens. Hope you are able to get a new job soon.

Thanks, Caliotter; I appreciate it.

I'm thinking if they don't want me there, I don't want to be there.

Hopefully I'll dredge something up.

I'll approach the market with a straightforward attitude & see where it takes me.

Thanks again & take care/Matt

Specializes in ER, ICU, Education.

Have you considered looking for work in a department where your personality type might be an asset? I also am not the most genteel or delicate flower, and found ICU and ER to be a great match. Many of the people I work with are also blunt and "rough around the edges" as well.

There is a time to be blunt and a time to be gentle with people. I've had success with both approaches, depending on the situation. In time, you will learn to balance your approach in your new profession. I personally used to curse a lot, but knew it gave the impression that I was not professional. My husband and I decided to have a bit of a contest. We both started with $200 of Monopoly money. Each time you cursed, the other person took $10. At the end of a month, the person with the most money kept that amount in real cash. My husband won, but after a few months, I was able to stop. It takes awhile to "unlearn" cursing at work.

If I were you I would not discuss what happened with potential employers it will be hard for them to understand the situation you were in. If called for reference they can only give dates of employment and not discuss why you were let go. best of luck!

since u only worked a year there, i would go into the next job acting like a new nurse with no experience. Dont list that job as a reference if they ask what u have been doing for the last year, say u were at home taking care of your new baby. Its worth a shot

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