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No. 30
from keithjones
Old Jul 22, 2009, 01:20 AM
Updated Jul 22, 2009 at 01:26 AM by keithjones

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Originally Posted by Airforce1 View Post
You see, this is why I wanted to post this thread. Because there are probably so many qualified competent students out there, who upon graduating can begin to gain the experience they need to become excellent practitioners, especially if the framework is there for them to get the experience. Because over time, education first and then experience = the same Outcome as experience first then education. The problem seems to be that many have the attitude of YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR DUES. This is not the teamsters, this is nursing.
based on the way your brain works I will disagree here. if you have experience first and come across things where you don't know what to do then when you come across that information in a learning environment, it clicks and it sticks! IF YOU COME ACROSS THAT SAME INFORMATION WITH NO CONTEXT FOR IT YOU MAY NOT DEEM IT AS IMPORTANT AND WILL HAVE A MUCH LOWER CHANCE OF REMEMBERING IT LATE
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No. 31
from Moogie
Old Jul 22, 2009, 01:27 AM
Updated Jul 22, 2009 at 01:56 AM by Moogie

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Hey, AF1, you're okay.

Sorry to go off on you---sometimes there are a lot of posts from people who ask advice, get it, ignore it and then gripe at those who gave them the advice for which they asked in the first place. Sometimes it gets frustrating, like talking to the proverbial brick wall. (Gee, can you tell I have kids that are probably around the same age as you?)

One of these days, we'll all probably be asking you to share your advice and expertise.

It behooves us "older" nurses to look out for the next generation. You're the ones who will be taking care of us someday.

So---how far along are you in your program and what aspects of nursing interest you the most?
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No. 32
from JDCitizen
Old Jul 22, 2009, 03:37 AM
Updated Jul 22, 2009 at 03:46 AM by JDCitizen

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Originally Posted by Airforce1 View Post
Hello everyone,

First of all I would like to say that if I offended anyone with my greenness, that was not my intent. I appreciate most of your thoughtful and patient comments and I hope to glean as much wisdom from the community here that I can. I am a brand new student and I have wanted to be a nurse for years. Perhaps my overzealousness to get to where I want to be in nursing resulted in my voicing of more than a share of passive aggressiveness.

I am beginning to see that in nursing, the general consensus is that experience is the best education. Someone made a great point that nurses are expected to hit the ground running, and that nurses with advanced degrees are expected to be experts already at what they do, with little or no time to develop nursing skills that will be required of them.

I guess all I can say is that I look forward to developing that experience.

“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards"
Vernon Sanders Law
Every day with every patient. If not reinforced by patient/family there is always the medical director.

PS. We are all here to learn and share and sometimes whats printed seems more hostile than what was meant. I found myself thinking about how this topic would have gone on a PA or doctor type forum....
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No. 33
Old Jul 29, 2009, 10:48 AM

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There are some nurses who will continue to eat their young and they are the ones who have a problem with it.

I know an LPN who hates RNs and thinks that the higher level of education has nothing on her "Years of experience" and she is constantly talking about how she is the "most seasoned nurse on the floor". She has issue with new nurses pursueing further education...actually she has issue with any new RNs period, but especially those going on to get their bsn and msn.
Jelousy I guess? bitterness? I'm not sure. Since she so desperatly wants to be the charge nurse, I would think she would just go to school the extra year to get the degree to do so, but she doesn't. I just don't understand.
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No. 34
Old Jul 29, 2009, 11:39 AM

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It is wonderful that you are going forward with your education! Please remember that the classroom time you had only gives you a foundation for what you will do and see in nursing. I believe that experience is the best teacher! After I graduated from nursing school, I was ready and raring to go. I soon found out there was still a lot to learn and what I would learn was not always the way it was presented in school. Keep working while you are going to school to help get more experience under your belt. A long time ago I read an article titled- "Nurses Eat Their Young". It is so true still today. I am sure you could find that article yet today if interested in reading it. Many nurses still beat up new nurses instead of helping them grow. So sad! Don't let anyone discourage you from achieving your goal.

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No. 35
from deepryor
Old Jul 29, 2009, 01:01 PM

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I am in my final year of nursing school, so I may not be a knowledgeable about the experience vs education as others, but I am going to give my opinion anyhow. Personally, I believe that no amount of theory makes up for clinical experience. I watch on a daily basis where fellow students who make A's in theory do not have the ability to translate that knowledge into practical use. What we learn in theory is never the same as what we see applied in the real world of practice. I have to agree with the more experienced nurses here. I will eventually get my MSN...that is my goal. I can't imagine after having gone through clinicals that any student would believe that they can go straight through to their MSN and walk out into the real world with no experience and work in advanced practice. How can you be an advanced practice nurse if you haven't "practiced" at all. The problem is that many people see the dollar signs or they decide they don't want to do the grunt work. You have to pay your dues. We are not trying to become managers at the Burger King...we deal in life and death. mistakes can be made very easily and when they are...someone's life is put in jeopardy. The point that you are missing is that you are supposed to be doing what is best for your patients...not what is best for you. That is a luxury you sacrifice to become a nurse. Again...this is just my own opinion.
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No. 36
from Tom123
Old Jul 29, 2009, 03:39 PM

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I believe that a BSN graduate will gain more, and contribute more to his/her graduate program if he/she has about 5 years of experience. My reasoning is based on the fact that the clinical experience we had while in our BSN program did not give us a true picture of what clinical experience is all about.

I also think that having the 5 years of experience will allow the graduate student to assertain what he/she wants to concentrate in at the graduate level.

I had 10 years of experience between my BSN and MSN, and I had 18 more years of experience between my MSN and PhD. I must admit that I am glad that I did have the experience. I do not believe that anyone needs as much as I had, but experience really counts.

You need to get your hands dirty. Learn what the basic RN is doing. You will never understand it, unless you have experienced it.

Good Luck.
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No. 37
from Tom123
Old Jul 29, 2009, 03:43 PM

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With just a year of experience you hit the nail on the head. Keep up the good work. I hope you continue with your education.
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No. 38
from braddah
Old Jul 29, 2009, 04:37 PM

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Hye Airforce1,
It's real sad to read some of these posts! The bullies on here are registered nurses? What happened to caring and understanding? Clearly you had a problem but I don't believe blasting you out of the waters is ever appropriate or professional. Some of the ppl. who post should watch where they bold or CAPTIALISE their phrases! Did your course not teach you about using fonts in school and how people interpret them? So for all of thpose people who were real blunt and obnoxious...i hate to be your patient. Learn to treat your collegues the same way that you would care for your patient...with understanding and empathy.

As for airforce1 - I hope you do find your answer quick and don't worry you still got plenty of time to think about it. I love some of the suggestions posted here amongst the bluntly arrogant ones...
1. do one paper per semester so you can work and study at the same time.
2. its not experience vs education its more experience with education.
It sounds like your a competent student academically try and have the clincal compentencies behind you too! You'll be much sort after if you can match your academic skills with your clinical skills!
I believe you can do it and we need more ppl like you!

Hope your studies go real well as I said before think about that after you graduate and hit the floor because you never know if you were half way through your masters you probably won't like the field you studying to be in anways.

Cheers
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No. 39
from KateRN1
Old Jul 29, 2009, 05:24 PM

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I think it's great that you want to continue your education and that you have solid plans to do so. You say that you have just started your nursing program and I think that once you have been in school for a while, see a little bit more about what the real world of nursing is and what real nurses do, you may refine your path to your goals a little bit more. Please come back in four years and let us know how you've updated your career path.
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