Does god make mistakes?

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I looked up at the doctor across the crib who is still hovering over him and checking his ventilator and trachea. Wildly he flailed as the doctor touched his abdomen. I tried to calm him by holding his hand. This is the first I noticed his fingers, some webbed together nearly to the ends, and the digits not coming from the palm in a normal way, but more like a sunburst. I looked more closely at him then. His legs were small and his feet were clubfoot. He has a feeding tube in his distended abdomen. His lips were cracked and crusted and through his open mouth, I could see several jagged sharp teeth coming from his gums at odd angles. Froth poured from his nose. Through his cheeks he had 4 pins on each side that were screwed into his jaw. The doctor was "lengthening" his jaw, it had been broken during surgery and slowly each day, the screws were separated further and further. It looked incredibly painful.

When the doctor had finished the exam, I asked, "Is he receiving physical therapy?" I wondered about his contractures in his legs. The doctor looked at me and sort of laughed. "No! I am trying to convince him mom to sign a DNR order, but she won't! This is his life, this is the best he is ever going to have. This is no life for anyone. He should not have ever gotten this far."

I looked back at the baby. His head is the size of a basketball. His features so close together they would fit in the palm of my hand. His ears line up at his jaw. He blinked and looked right through me, not even seeing me. Maybe the doctor is right, I thought. This would really be a nightmare life to have.

Back in one of my classes, we had a discussion about ethics. I think I wrote something that seemed right to me at the time; honestly, I may have just blown it off and answered what sounded good. I wish I had given it more thought. What right does anyone have to keep this child alive in this state? Why not just disconnect him from the ventilator and let him rest in peace?

Again, I ran my fingers through his hair. I changed his diaper. His bottom was so raw, it was nearly bleeding. He has chronic liquid diarrhea. I applied his barrier ointment liberally. He wears adult diapers. Size small.... This is no life, is it Little One? I looked at him and he seemed to look right into my eyes. "God doesn't make mistakes" someone said. I turned to see who was there. No one. Startled, I returned my gaze to his eyes, and he blinked, his stare gazed through me once again.

Rattled, I weighed his diaper, removed my gloves and gown and washed my hands. I sat down at the desk next to him in ICU where his paperwork is. As I was filling out his charts, his mom came in the room. We talked as she put on her gown and gloves. She climbed on the stool next to his crib and said "Hi Papa!"

I watched as they interacted. I saw the way he responded only to her, to her touch, her voice. They were connected. I saw the look of love in her eyes for him. Her face lit up, her eyes - I am not sure I have ever seen so much love in someone's eyes. I felt mesmerized by the scene, I could not stop staring at them. She talked to him and played with his hair until he fell asleep, and then she came to sit in the chair beside me.

She began to tell me about him, her family. He was the 2nd born child. She had had 8 pregnancies. After he was born, he was immediately flown by helicopter to this hospital, and she did not get to see him for over a week. He has had a lot of surgeries, she said, but he's getting better. He is my gift from God, she said. We all love him so much, his older brother wants their clothes to match so I have to buy them matching clothes, like twins! They love each other so much! He gets so happy when his older brother comes to read him stories and they like to watch cartoons together!

I wondered how much of this was fantasized in her mind - a strange way of coping with his chronic illness, I guess. Denial maybe?

But, it shook my foundation, my thoughts on who gets to "pull the plug". Who has the "right to be God"...50 years ago, he would have been dead and buried. Now, through technology, he is kept alive. Who is right? Who is wrong?

We, as nursing students, are encouraged to Know What We Believe. That way, down the road, we won't be shaken to our core when faced with situations such as this. I thought I knew what I believed. Now it is in my face. A mother looking down with kindness, compassion, care, love, gentleness and hope on her child who only seems to see her and respond to her touch and her voice.

A child that seems genuinely thrilled when she is near.

I now understood just why the mother could not sign the papers. She knew it better than anyone. God does not make mistakes.

I have a son who had a trach and a jaw distraction done by two weeks of age. I, too, have wondered whether we were "playing God" by putting the trach in, as all the other interventions came about because the trach made it possible. I have stared into my son's eyes at two months, six months, a year, and wondered "is anyone in there?". He has now had so many surgeries we have lost track, more scars than any human should have, and a connection to all people who meet him that just makes them love him. Did we play God when he was born? Maybe. But I also know that God could have taken him any number of times since then, and he hasn't. He has allowed this child to learn to eat, talk (some), run (couldn't walk til 2 years old), and generally make us praise God for giving him to us.

This was well written and touching.

As someone mentioned before, this does presume the existence of God. To me, it seems as if the issues you faced in this experience is one that has been questioned from the beginning of christian thought.

How can a just, all loving, all powerful God allow such suffering? How can he let bad things happen to good people & vice versa? This is a question that I struggle with almost daily.

As someone who was raised in the church and now am agnostic, the answers to this question that many have offered I have found to be intellectually lazy at best and self soothing/delusional at worst. There are thousands of babies that die every day. Every 5 seconds an innocent child dies an excruciating death from the lack of clean water in Africa. This is God's will? Some tell me that yes, their suffering gives us an opportunity to be giving and compassionate. This sickens me - the idea that an innocent child/person is made to suffer so that people may have the opportunity to be compassionate. It gives me no comfort at all.

Then inevitably, the answer evolves into the unchallengeable idea that we as humans cannot comprehend the wisdom/logic of God. It would be as if a chimp were trying to comprehend quantum physics, an impossibility. Well then, just as we would not punish the chimp for being unable to do what he is incapable of doing, should God not also have mercy on those who do not believe in him due to our minds not being able to comprehend his existence?

Furthermore, I imagine that there are thousands that die (and have died in the past) that have never even picked up a book let alone heard about Jesus Christ. Thus, since they don't believe that Christ died for their sins, they are destined to burn in hell forever and ever? Oh, but God loves you.

I'm not trying to degrade your story, but I can't stand idly by statements such as "God never makes mistakes." I would really like to believe that, trust me. If you can enlighten me to the truth of this without wishful thinking or emotional investment, I would be forever grateful. Until then, I cannot agree. It seems to me that bad things things happen to good people for no reason at all. The saving grace is that we have a choice in how to react to this.

Precious. Simply precious.

i think that God gives us these 'challenges' and its up to us to react from it. so its our fault if we commit mistakes and not Him, if we do the right one then we should be congratulated... if no one will, its easy ---- flex the elbow of your right hand... then hold that elbow with your left hand and then tap your own left shoulder. there you will feel better, PROMISE. i do it all the time.:lol2::D

To: Agrippa

Yes, I agree that the suffering of people all around the world does make one question the existence of God. I would add, however, that the world as given us by God was just as we needed it to be. The water was pure, the land was healthy and produced good food, and there was enough for everyone. Over time, men polluted the land, became political animals, and sought to gain power to the detriment of others. The situation in Africa is an example of governments that do not provide for their people, preferring instead to enrich themselves rather than dig wells.

I don't want to get into a big theological debate; I am not qualified. But I will say that I think it's unfair to blame God for all the troubles that man has brought upon himself.

Specializes in M/S, Tele, Peds, ER.

Beautiful story! Powerful message.No, God does not make mistakes, EVERY life is a precious gift and serves a unique individual purpose that God put them on this earth for, however short a time it may be.

To Agrippa and those who so eloquently brought up the fact that the very nature of this post presupposes that a God exists, or that Someone is in charge of all this chaos.

That is an idea that in my heart I know to be true, yet when I see the suffering of others, I have to ask myself, "What is the purpose of this?" I hate to see another person suffer needlessly, especially when there is no family support, as in situations that some of you have mentioned. And, when you factor in those who die needlessly every day due to lack of adequate food, clean water, sanitation, etc., it is staggering that a God could exist and allow this to happen.

But I look at it this way. God (we'll just use that generic name for now...call him/it/them/her whatever you will) gave us the earth, but we as humans have the right to make choices and those choices have consequences, some good, some bad. For those in countries that are poor despite adequate international aide, and have high mortality rates despite international intervention, they have their leaders to hold accountable for the stewardship of those funds, the distribution of those funds, and the welfare of the people under their care.

As for the people who fall ill needlessly (in our view), who are born with what seem to be unsurmountable odds, or whatever the case may be, do you not find yourself touched and your heart opened when you care for them? Do you not feel a connection to them? Do you not find that you are a more compassionate person, a more caring person, and a less judgmental person (at least towards patients, maybe not toward some particular family members) when you provide care for people who are suffering? I think that is part of the point of their suffering. Unfortunately, they have to suffer in order for us to grow as humans, to enhance our capacities as nurses and as human beings, so that we can be strong in the face of whatever may come next in life, be it something related to our own child, a child of a friend, a husband, etc., who may have the misfortune of a terminal illness that lingers, requiring 24-hour care. I just believe that all people are special in their own way, no matter their past, and when it comes down to the time before death, or the time they linger as terminally ill, they deserve our utmost concern, care, love, and competentce.

Call me naive if you will, but after having a son with a disability, after seeing him reach milestones doctors never predicted, and after pushing to have procedures done which would help him (after doing research on my own), he is now as fully functional as possible, goes to school on his own, has no interventions at school, and is a true miracle to me (yes, we also put in a tremendous amount of hard work and an insane amount of money on therapies). Why this happened for him and not for others, I cannot say. I can only hope that someday, somehow, this crazy world will all make sense.

I can't answer for the actions of a higher power--wouldn't dream of it, but I think most of the problems we see are due to consequences of our own actions (poor prenatal care, drinking/drugs while pregnant, oxygen deprivation during birth, and just plain bad luck). And also, it is just life, it is not fair, and all we can do is help each person we can, the best way we can. We will never know how much of a difference we actually make.

Best of luck to you all as you sort through this. Would love to hear anyone else's rationalization of getting through taking care of such patients! I spend a lot of time shedding tears, because I feel like I should do more, but there isn't more I can do; I can't fix the underlying problem and make everything better.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience. i had to write a paper last semester on ethics as well and until you are placed in the actual situation it is hard to say exactly what you would do. That is why they always say to students,"Make sure you self evaluate yourself and your own beliefs before you get started as a nurse. Experiencing these types of things as a student is wonderful in a sense because it prepares you for what is to come. Keep up your compassion..... it is much needed in the hospitals.

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Specializes in Med/Surg, ICU, educator.

I think that this is a hard subject. Technology has allowed us to now play God and keep lives extended. But I also feel that if it your time to go, it doesn't matter what interventions are placed, you will go. I just grapple with who determines quality of life....

Specializes in ICU, MICU, SICU+openheart.

DaFreak71, Why is the DNR a mistake? If he is unloved,uncared, and vegetative then a DNR could be the next best thing for him.

Itsmeemtp, that was a sad and touching story. Thanks for the reminder.

and NO, God absolutely does not make one inkling of a mistake, ...ever.

Brought tears to my eyes and it put me back into check. Life is beautiful. And at times I do take advantage. I want to be a nurse but seeing certain situations like these would crush me... :o

Specializes in L&D, postpartum, nursery, antepartum CLC.

I don't think god makes mistakes, but i do think humans do, they may mean well, but a mistake is still a mistake. In this case i think the humans involved messed with god's plan by intervening so much, but of course once that slippery slope is begun one can't stop it. I could never inflict this kind of torture on my child, i would have to let the poor baby go home to his maker where he/she belongs. keeping a child here for the occational smile is about the family, not about the child. Seems pretty darn selfish of the family, to me - i could never keep a child shackled to this earth in pain 90% of the time, for my selfish emotional needs. I am reminded of a poem we have here at work:

The Tiny Rosebud

The Master Gardener

From heaven above

Planted a seed

In the garden of love.

And from it there grew

A rosebud small

That never had time

To open at all

For God in His perfect

And all-wise way

Chose this rose

For His heavenly Bouquet.

And great was the joy

Of this tiny rose

To be the one our Father

chose to leave Eath's garden

For one on high

Where roses bloom always

And never die