Dangerous nurse?

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hi, i've been reading the "dangerous nurse" posts, and all i can do is wonder about myself sometimes.

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assigned to an elderly woman, who looked terrible when i first went in to assess her. multiple serious issues, her nephrologist and attending came in, both saw how she was, both agreed she wasn't doing well, attending called her son and told him the poor prognosis. intensivist came in to see her, saw her mottled feet, poor mental status, i told him about the plan, he alluded that he would be back later to assess her.

later that morning, this patient was slowly deteriorating in mental status, and becoming more hypotensive. i called the intensivist, told him about the blood pressure, he ordered a different vasopressor. i asked for an a-line, he said he would be over, and that "if she needs an a-line, that's what we'll do."

i didn't tell him about the mental status, i hadn't even thought about it at this point. mostly because it wasn't that great to begin with, and i was more concerned about her bp.

waited, and waited for this intensivist, meanwhile checking the bp every 10 minutes by cuff, it was staying up with the new pressor, but the patient was looking worse. her respiratory rate started increasing, about 24-32, becoming more labored.

finally the bp was dropping, and not picking back up, i maxxed out the new drip, and called the intensivist again. he came over, took one look at her, said: "she looks a lot worse than this morning, doesn't she?" (with a condescending sneer, of course) attempted an a-line, not successful, talked to the family, who agreed to let her go with comfort care measures. she passed on my shift.

now that i look back, i know i should have told the intensivist: "you need to get here now, she's not looking good." i only told him about the occasionally dropping bp, that's all i was thinking about. :banghead:

i talked it over with my manager, who said i did fine, of course. i really think the standards are too low for nurses on my floor, management seems to have a tolerant attitude towards incompetence.

the thing is, i don't think i'd be smart enough to do the right thing the next time this happened. i don't have a system in place for this, i use sbar for communicating with doctors, but it doesn't seem to be good enough with icu patients. sometimes everything's so subtle, you need to be clairvoyant just to get through your shift.

here's the thought that keeps nagging me: "a good icu nurse would have seen clearly what was going on, and got that intensivist over immediately." this patient wouldn't have made it anyway, but what if this happened with someone who could survive?

anyone else have a similar situation?

Specializes in cardiac ICU.

I second the above posters, but I would add that sometimes we perceive attitudes on the part of others that aren't there. Are you sure that doc was being condescending to you, or maybe his unpleasantness came from his inability to persuade the family to go for comfort care before that, or something else. Some doctors don't communicate very well, so unless they pull you aside and say something like "You should have called me right away when you noted a change in mental status." or whatever, I wouldn't worry about it. You did everything that could have been done.

"The thing is, I don't think I'd be smart enough to do the right thing the next time this happened. I don't have a system in place for this, I use SBAR for communicating with doctors, but it doesn't seem to be good enough with ICU patients. Sometimes everything's so subtle, you need to be clairvoyant just to get through your shift."

--Royal

I spent some time in rotation in ICU, and I agree with you about the clairvoyant thing. It's like ICU nurses have a certain second sense. I am sure you will get that too! They are so confident, in knowing... I have seen Docs rely so totally in some of them, hanging on every word in report, WOW! You ICU nurses are amazing.

Specializes in Psych, Med/Surg, LTC.

Don't beat yourself up. She was dying.

Specializes in private duty/home health, med/surg.

When I think of the dangerous nurses I've worked with, I think of people who generally seem oblivious to or apathetic about the sub-par care they've given.

I can't honestly imagine a truly dangerous nurse caring enough about a situation that he or she would post about it on a message board, wondering if they could have done anything different, or better. That doesn't mean that there wasn't anything else that could have been done, but I wouldn't chalk up this particular patient's outcome to her having a dangerous nurse.

We could all probably do a better job if we had a second chance with any given case. We don't get a second chance, so instead we sit around stewing, second-guessing ourselves.

I'm not sure I'm making much sense, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that so as far as I can tell, you care too much to be a dangerous nurse.

Hope this helps! :D

Specializes in Psych, Med/Surg, LTC.
When I think of the dangerous nurses I've worked with, I think of people who generally seem oblivious to or apathetic about the sub-par care they've given.

I can't honestly imagine a truly dangerous nurse caring enough about a situation that he or she would post about it on a message board, wondering if they could have done anything different, or better. That doesn't mean that there wasn't anything else that could have been done, but I wouldn't chalk up this particular patient's outcome to her having a dangerous nurse.

We could all probably do a better job if we had a second chance with any given case. We don't get a second chance, so instead we sit around stewing, second-guessing ourselves.

I'm not sure I'm making much sense, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that so as far as I can tell, you care too much to be a dangerous nurse.

Hope this helps! :D

Those are my thoughts, too.

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