confused over titles !! - page 3
Forgive my ignorance... was reading some of the posts here and well quite frankly I'm confused ! I'm a UK RGN, USA seems to have so many "different" nurse titles, and yet ya all nurses !! Here in the UK we used to have 2 tier... Read More
- 0Dec 1, '00 by susie.c.cTina. As a third year diploma student in the UK, I was amazed and disappointed to read your comments of 21st Nov that diploma students are not taught "good nursing care, diseases, or interventions....and spend their first year in college and very little time in clinical areas". This sweeping, and completely untrue statement is typical of RGNs who, rather than support new grads and students prefer to critisise and find fault with everything that they do. I know project 2000 is not perfect, but I do believe that it produces good nurses with the ability to be creative and innovative with care. In fact I have met many diploma nurses who do an excellent job and have inspired me to continue in the face of such negativity. There is already a huge shortage of nurses in the Uk and the drop out rates for students is very high, so isnt it about time that RGNs stopped feeling threatened, remembered that we had no choice in the course that we did, in fact it was your "generation" who designed it, and accepted the fact that we are the future of nursing in the UK, whether you like it or not, and if you are such an excellent nurse, give us the benefit of your wisdom and allow us to be as wonderful as you!
- 0Dec 1, '00 by Tina HarringtonWOW, Susie, tut tut, May I say it is not me that feels threatened at at all !! My so called "Sweeping comments" are gathered from actually working with newly qualified staff nurses, they were meant to point out the difference from when "my Generation", (not saying it was better or worse!!) and your "generation" trained. Seeing PK2000 staff and the apparent lack of basic skills on qualifying, justifies my comments!!! The new staff I have worked with have agreed that they lack these skills and look to "us" for support which I may add is always given unconditionally !!I find it a pleasure to guide and teach during my work,I took the diploma course a couple of years ago, all I was stating is that it was completely different to the "traditional" training, and as you may be aware the new curriculum for training started in September of this year, as research dictated that students now need to spend more time in practice once again, because they were totally unprepared for the Role change they faced with the more theory based training. I am sorry if my comments upset you, I did not intend to pull down any nurse, I am not one that eats her young, May you have a long an "wonderful" career also P.S. wether I like it or not is totally irrelevant Nursing must go on, and it will with "welcome" advancements.
- 0Dec 1, '00 by egmillardCome to work in the USA as a nurse, then you'll realise that most UK nurses do not have the basic skills that USA nurses have. For example listening to lung and heart sounds. UK and USA diploma nurses make excellent nurses. At least you dont have to spend lots of money to do a UK diploma, its freeeeeee.
- 0Dec 2, '00 by PPLHey! I'm even having trouble just keeping everyone's smiley/frowning/wide-eyed/ blinking faces straight, much less everyone's initials and what they mean! Then there are the nurses like me with RN, BS, but NOT BSN, plus SOME sort of initials that I'm supposed to be using for my Psych/Mental Health certification, but refuse to use. I have always just used RN and these days, I'm just grateful for ANY nurse or CNA who arrives to help! At the MNM, I'm just going to be happy to walk along side of ALL of you!
- 0Dec 2, '00 by susie.c.cok, peace man! maybe I did fly off the handle a bit, sorry for being a bit sarcy, I just get fed up with having to justify myself all the time, as this is a bloody hard course, especially as half the time the tutors dont seem to know what they want you to do! Anyway, I would love to work in the US at some time, although just to open another can of worms, I saw a terminal patient last week who had been for a radical new cancer op in the US, not that it did him much good, and he said that nurses in the US
were very technically skilled,(heart & lung sounds etc) but not as caring as Uk nurses. His opinion not mine!!! Any comments, this is interesting as Uk diploma nurses are accused of being too over-educated and technical compared to their "traditonally trained" colleagues, but US nurse education is way more adademic than UK, so does the care factor get lost?
- 0Dec 4, '00 by Tina HarringtonOh....... Peace is restored on my issue but.... *****, susie I just ain't gettin into this one !!! OMG, what have ya started?? LOLOLOLOLOLOL, From the innocent query I asked, the answers are long and varied, as you can see but if i was you I'd close down me putor now... Can of worms ??? More like a neuclear explosion I'm thinking..
:-p, good luck, lolololol
- 0Dec 4, '00 by Tina Harrington[LOL Lita, yes laugh out loud... This was my origional question !! about US titles, but then got into debate about UK titles [img]/bb/biggrin.gif[/img], anyway RGN = Registered GENERAL Nurse... this course turned you into an all round every department Nurse, during training we did a stint in all areas,(Now obsolete) and no diploma on qualifying, RN = Registered Nurse, This is still a three year course and you do some practice in all areas but you get the option to branch into whatever speciality ie, adult, peads, mental health etc.. more theory and therefore a diploma at qualifying, now I have tried to simplify this explaination as my origional query generated a huge debate !! We are ALL nurses andlets face it there are good and bad in all professions.... no matter what level of academia we study at we all practice to the best of our ability with increasing stresses
due to budgetery constraints, but we all entered to become a NURSE, The one solution for this I think,should be a unified title, something like CFP, caring for people!! So take care, Tina CFP, signing off [img]/bb/biggrin.gif[/img]
- 0Dec 10, '00 by p.rabbitTina,
I think I can cut to the chase. Think of the Great Apes who thump their great barrel chests to scare off the other apes and establish their dominance in the clan/tribe.
Of course we're all basic Nurses inside, so we have to have some kind of Acronym or Initializing method to establish our dominance in our great Nursing Tribe. Look, anybody can get an education. Does it make one a better person? Of course not. Nursing in general, (in the 20th and now 21st century)is like a wayward child, crying out to be heard, all the while forgetting that we already have a history that is thousands of years old. All those initials only serve to confuse the public along with other nurses in our own profession and call attention to our own tottering professional self esteem.
Initials do not denote greatness, but rather they are a stab at questionable self assuredness. But, ya gotta admit, all those initials sure give rise to great possibilities don't they?
p.rabbit, AA-RN, CRTT, RD, OD, IUD, DDT, MRSA,............ad nauseum
- 0Dec 11, '00 by ph_rn_nurseHello Tina
I am RN too like you and i am planning to work in Scotland
I am mainly interested in ER and also OR and i would also like to have continuing education so that i can get a master degree.
I never worked in Uk before. Do you some advices for me.
I don't really know how it works there : shift hours, training, salary, management, salary, insurance
I have often been said life was expensive there. What do you think ?
I guess your experience will be positive for me.
Have a nice day