Are We Really a Profession? - page 6

In reading the literature lately, I've come across several definitions and evolutions of the term "profession," and have since conceded that based on those accepted defintions, a profession we are... Read More

  1. by   researchrabbit
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Let's not confuse "professional" with "profession."

    A Taco Bell employee can be "professional" in that they dress appropriately, are on time, do their job correctly, are curteous and don't encourage bad behavior, and are good examples. But just because that person is professional at work doesn't mean that they are in the Taco Bell profession.
    But if food service is the chosen career and life's work and is seen as such by the employee, it is legimate for the Taco Bell person to consider him/herself as being in the food service profession.
  2. by   Q.
    Wouldn't it be better to state "Food Service Industry?"

    There HAS to be a difference.
  3. by   Stargazer
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Wouldn't it be better to state "Food Service Industry?"

    There HAS to be a difference.
    Although, as someone pointed out upthread, the English language and its varied usages are infinitely flexible, I would agree with Susy's statement above. In my current field-- travel--most non-medical folks I know refer to themselves as "executives in the travel industry", not "travel professionals."

    People in sales positions who call themselves professionals--"travel professional" or "real estate professional" instead of agent--are usually trying to emphasize their level of experience in the industry.
  4. by   ResearchRN
    Originally posted by Susy K
    Wouldn't it be better to state "Food Service Industry?"

    There HAS to be a difference.

    Why does there have to be a difference?
  5. by   Q.
    Originally posted by ResearchRN
    Why does there have to be a difference?
    Because there IS a difference between the Taco Bell employee, myself, and the surgeon (apparently).

    Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Taco Bell and in fact am planning on getting either a Nachos Grande or Enchirito on the way to class tonight, but I just can't say "Food Service Profession." Besides, why even have the word if it all means the same?
  6. by   fergus51
    Now I am hungry.....
  7. by   gojack
    The answer to the question lies in what goes down the assembly line at your hospital. Are your patients processed like bodies on an assembly line? Do you as a nurse feel like a member of the Meatcutters Union?

    How about at the nursing home product line? Does it look like the morgue, funeral home, and cemetery plots are just further points farther down the line?

    Before you accuse me of being cynical, think first about those that have designed our US "health care system". And remember that they say it is the finest in the world at what it does!

    I hope that has helped answer the question.......?????
  8. by   nal
    Glad2behere 10-16-2002 07:08 AM (20)


    Glad2behere
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    (Post# 20)

    [Ok, this is real simple stuff.

    By the mere amount of attraction this topic always receives it stands to reason that there would not be so many voices to rally that "the emperor has his clothes on". If their were no doubt that nursing truly is a profession, then the need to defend or define it would not be so luring, and not one poster would have bothered to post, and the point would be moot.

    By having posted in defense of nursing as a profession, those who have have defaulted in their own lack of belief, and thus sucuumbed to the argument self evident in their own actions.]









    If its so simple then

    What we are paid should be "=" to our WORTH (our contribution and percieved need by society)

    I know what I am worth, but someone else doesn't seem to think I should be paid as a professional.

    I love our eclectic mix of knowledge, who else has this diversity of education in which I am very proud to have had the opportunity.

    By the way Glad2behere why were you in this post yourself, weren't you curious.

    Could our professional status have more to do with nurses being approx 80% workforce of women, trying to satisfy a criteria set out by whoom....... smells like another form of discrimination to me.

    If the tide was turned and the ratio of numbers were the opposite THEN we would not need to have this discussion as it would have been decided decades + ago.

    What do ya all think????
    Last edit by nal on Oct 17, '02
  9. by   NRSKarenRN
  10. by   eddy
    I'm perfectly comfortable with being a nurse who is merely part of the medical profession or for that matter if it is detirmined that there is no such thing as that, not being. hehe. Beyond that, who cares. I am happy with the career choice I have made (most days...hehe), and I don't feel the need to have the "P" word behind my job title of nurse to be proud of what I do.

    If you feel like you must justify yourself to others, perhaps you are struggling with justifying YOU to YOURSELF.

    Be yourself and be happy. For the love of all that is sacred in life, quit bending words to make yourself feel important because you can't seem to find the RIGHT things to base your importance on.

    My family refers to my messed up uncle as a professional idiot... but as far as I know that doesn't make him part of the idiot profession. Rather he's just very good and quite dedicated at his role of being an idiot.

    Not my intention of starting a flame war, but jeesh, how long can this go?

    Just be proud. Beyond that, who cares.


    oh... and....

    PS - If you don't get at least a mild laugh out of the things I just said, let me know. I will be glad to hook you up with my uncle so you guys can start justifying HIS "profession" too.



    PSS - Oh boy I better stop now. I am going to be mobbed!

    PSSS - Oh look my professional face licker just jumped on my lap.


    PSSSS - Wow... I am out of control that's just my dog.

    PSSSSS - Ok I quit... sorry.
    Last edit by eddy on Oct 18, '02
  11. by   Q.
    Eddy,
    I can somewhat relate to simply being happy with what one does. But unfortunately, what makes me just "happy" is NOT nursing, but rather, gardening. If I could feed myself off of being a gardener, I would, but I can't, so I'm a nurse.

    While I like being a nurse, I feel it IS important to justify one's role or importance because look at what's happened as a result of our apathy:

    1. Poor pay which led to:
    2. Poor nurse morale which led to:
    3. Mass exodus from the bedside which led to:
    4. Clinics/day jobs paying you less because you want out so bad which led to:
    5. Nurses leaving the field entirely which led to:
    6. Unsafe staffing levels which led to:
    7. Poor patient outcomes which leads to:
    8. Poor health care

    I will be 30 years old in January, and luckily neither myself or my husband has fallen seriously ill. But the way health care is going, even from a nursing standpoint, is scaring me as I age. The clinic I used to work at has an Efficiency Team from Minnesota I think who changes things around to save money and makes things UNSAFE for nurses and patients. Why? Because we as nurses have NO VOICE and no one gives a rip what we think. Why? Because we don't respect ourselves, as a profession, so why should they? It's cheaper for them to NOT respect us - and, as long as there are nurses out there who don't care about that, well......it will continue.
  12. by   NC_ED_RN
    As a new nurse, licensed less than one year, I can see where nurses may be looked upon by some other "professions" as not being a member of a profession. Yet, my opinion is that most nurses are truly professionals. We are expected and compelled to provide expert nursing care to the sick and injured. By nature of the many defintions of nursing we are professionals. Where nurses get into trouble with the word professional is that there are those out there with the license but do not behave in professional manner. This cast doubt in the public's minds that we are not disciplined enought to be considered professionals. With that I counter, how often and how many doctors or lawyers are disciplined by their sanctioning boards for unethical practice or disregard for the client, read unprofessional practice. Nurses take heart, demostrate with all that you do professionalism and this will be the reality accepted by all.
  13. by   sbic56
    It's pretty clear to me that nursing is part of the medical profession. It can be debated whether or not it is a good profession to get into. I often feel like a waitress with special education, but it is that specialized education that qualifies nurses as part of the medical profession.

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