Any Success with Dr. Budwig tx for cancer

Nurse Ratched, RN · Mar 18, 2004

My husband's mother and step-father drained their life savings to take him (step-father) to this clinic in Mexico. He was dead three months later.

I'm so sorry they were taken advantage of this way, and for the outcome. Hulda Clark lived in my neck of the woods before she was caught. People in the area are what you might refer to as "rugged individualists" - not terribly trusting of institutions (like medicine) and open to this type of fraud.

I am glad that as nurses we have a healthy skepticism about things that sound too good to be true. Our patients need us to be the voice of reason when they are in a vulnerable state. We take research, statistics and logic classes to understand arguments and what constitutes bogus claims versus peer-reviewed/controlled/double-blind/legitimate reasearch.

wenron · Mar 18, 2004

DPHRN-

I am sorry to hear that. Could you give me more of a history? What type of cancer, stage, chemo/radiation?

Yeah, wasting all of ones money for nothing isn't the route I'd ever want to take no matter what the treatment.

I personally believe there is a lot about food that we still don't know. I mean, just look at avoiding celiac disease by avoiding gluten. People who wouldn't have known about this would call someone crazy. I think our bodies have more of a healing capability then we realize, but we don't take care of it or keep it balanced to allow the body to fight off disease.

My husband's mother and step-father drained their life savings to take him (step-father) to this clinic in Mexico. He was dead three months later.

crankyasanoldma · Mar 18, 2004

I agree there is a lot of wack out there. But I'll bet that the number of FDA approved meds haved killed just as many.
At least the patients have some recourse. Hard to get justice from a supplier of 'hey we're just nutritional supplements'.
And isn't it funny that alcohol and Tylenol have caused many deaths and they haven't been pulled?
No one is selling them as a "cure" for cancer (And rheumatitis. And exema. And MS. And arthritiis. And acne, etc.)
I don't know that I believe the whole cottage cheese thing so fast either, but I will stil be willing to listen to folks.
People supposedly open minded to AltMeds suddenly become very closed minded when critics speak. I wonder why? Wouldn't you want to hear both sides and make a well informed decision?
I myself have not seen the deaths you talk about with holistic treatment and in my area, it's been wonderful. But, we all see things differently.
I guess the dead folks are having a hard time walking back to the office to purchase more 'remedy'.
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wenron · Mar 18, 2004

Look, I am NOT selling cottage cheese and flaxseed oil...but thanks for speaking for me.

I think the best advice for studies would be as someone suggested here" have bev" show the reports and results. I think I will end this thread because I haven't heard one person who has tried it or knows of a pt who has tried it. I didn't open this to argue, I opened it to see if anyone had heard about it.

So, I will go back to those people who are "claiming to be cured" and ask for their records...thanks for the advice.

I am done with this one. I am waisting too much time and energy and we're not getting anywhere..but thanks all :uhoh3:

I agree there is a lot of wack out there. But I'll bet that the number of FDA approved meds haved killed just as many.
At least the patients have some recourse. Hard to get justice from a supplier of 'hey we're just nutritional supplements'.
And isn't it funny that alcohol and Tylenol have caused many deaths and they haven't been pulled?
No one is selling them as a "cure" for cancer (And rheumatitis. And exema. And MS. And arthritiis. And acne, etc.)
I don't know that I believe the whole cottage cheese thing so fast either, but I will stil be willing to listen to folks.
People supposedly open minded to AltMeds suddenly become very closed minded when critics speak. I wonder why? Wouldn't you want to hear both sides and make a well informed decision?
I myself have not seen the deaths you talk about with holistic treatment and in my area, it's been wonderful. But, we all see things differently.
I guess the dead folks are having a hard time walking back to the office to purchase more 'remedy'.
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crankyasanoldma · Mar 18, 2004

Correction: If these people have weeks to live and unoperable cancer, what is some cottage cheese and flaxseed oil going to hurt.

Well, Budwig supporters are claiming (without proof) to have pulled 'these people' out of the hospital and cured them. Which is it? Harmless or cure?

Some of the harm that comes to mind immediately is loss of hope and trust, serious financial harm, and time wasted traveling around the country or the world in search of a cure when the small amount of time left a gravely ill person could be better spent elsewhere.

I'm sorry to keep beating this dead horse, but extrordianry claims require proof.

kmchugh · Mar 20, 2004

It would appear as though Wenron has bailed. But there is a question that has frequently occurred to me where alt med is concerned. Doesn't matter if it's hulda clark's theories, Johanna Budwig's theories, anyone else's theories that happen to differ from mainstream. Why the resistance to testing? If it works so well for these people, why are they so afraid of testing it? Why the almost irrational anger that comes in response to the perfectly reasonable request to reproduce results in a controlled environment?

I have my own theories, but they wouldn't make me any more popular.

KM

kmchugh · Mar 20, 2004

It would appear as though Wenron has bailed. But there is a question that has frequently occurred to me where alt med is concerned. Doesn't matter if it's hulda clark's theories, Johanna Budwig's theories, anyone else's theories that happen to differ from mainstream. Why the resistance to testing? If it works so well for these people, why are they so afraid of testing it? Why the almost irrational anger that comes in response to the perfectly reasonable request to reproduce results in a controlled environment?

I have my own theories, but they wouldn't make me any more popular.

KM

wenron · Mar 20, 2004

I didn't bail...just been buzy :)

Some lady named Bev swears by this, so I asked her to email me her records...that is what I am requesting for these high claims. She said she is going to scan them and then email them to me. She said she did not receive chemo or radiation and I believe she had stage IV cancer, but I could be wrong.

Another lady swears by it as well and just emailed me. But, she did have surgery and Chemo, so her report I am not interested in.

The Salve I use on my skin cancers isn't FDA approved and when asked why, they say it's because you need studies and studies would cost 1/4 million to get. I am not saying I understand how all that works and if everyone is telling the whole truth, but all I know is my skin cancer aint no more since I've been using this stuff for a couple years...and no, I don't sell it..but I tell everyone about it with a note- you can't claim a cure or treatment with a product that isn't approved by FDA, but you can share your testimony with anyone you want to. So, I won't tell you that it will cure you, but I will tell you it's found skin cancer that even the surgeon couldn't find (twice). I have pictures of my skin cancer surgical scars and then where the cancer started bleeding at the edges again...when I was told "edges clear"... and you know what you guys...?... I don't really mind if you don't agree, that's your choice to do whatever you want with your body. I am not an herbal fanatic at all. I am just trying to open my tunnel vision a bit to what God has placed on this earth for our bodies to fight and heal...that's all. I've seen my body heal with Penicillin, dust mite antigen (allergy shots) gluten free foods, fish oil for my triglycerides (along with exercise) milk thistle for liver enzymes elev, etc. So, I am not done believing that God just might have some better way to help fight our bodies with disease....maybe not...but I aint done keeping my eyes open either.

It would appear as though Wenron has bailed. But there is a question that has frequently occurred to me where alt med is concerned. Doesn't matter if it's hulda clark's theories, Johanna Budwig's theories, anyone else's theories that happen to differ from mainstream. Why the resistance to testing? If it works so well for these people, why are they so afraid of testing it? Why the almost irrational anger that comes in response to the perfectly reasonable request to reproduce results in a controlled environment?
I have my own theories, but they wouldn't make me any more popular.
KM

wenron · Mar 20, 2004

I didn't bail...just been buzy :)

Some lady named Bev swears by this, so I asked her to email me her records...that is what I am requesting for these high claims. She said she is going to scan them and then email them to me. She said she did not receive chemo or radiation and I believe she had stage IV cancer, but I could be wrong.

Another lady swears by it as well and just emailed me. But, she did have surgery and Chemo, so her report I am not interested in.

The Salve I use on my skin cancers isn't FDA approved and when asked why, they say it's because you need studies and studies would cost 1/4 million to get. I am not saying I understand how all that works and if everyone is telling the whole truth, but all I know is my skin cancer aint no more since I've been using this stuff for a couple years...and no, I don't sell it..but I tell everyone about it with a note- you can't claim a cure or treatment with a product that isn't approved by FDA, but you can share your testimony with anyone you want to. So, I won't tell you that it will cure you, but I will tell you it's found skin cancer that even the surgeon couldn't find (twice). I have pictures of my skin cancer surgical scars and then where the cancer started bleeding at the edges again...when I was told "edges clear"... and you know what you guys...?... I don't really mind if you don't agree, that's your choice to do whatever you want with your body. I am not an herbal fanatic at all. I am just trying to open my tunnel vision a bit to what God has placed on this earth for our bodies to fight and heal...that's all. I've seen my body heal with Penicillin, dust mite antigen (allergy shots) gluten free foods, fish oil for my triglycerides (along with exercise) milk thistle for liver enzymes elev, etc. So, I am not done believing that God just might have some better way to help fight our bodies with disease....maybe not...but I aint done keeping my eyes open either.

It would appear as though Wenron has bailed. But there is a question that has frequently occurred to me where alt med is concerned. Doesn't matter if it's hulda clark's theories, Johanna Budwig's theories, anyone else's theories that happen to differ from mainstream. Why the resistance to testing? If it works so well for these people, why are they so afraid of testing it? Why the almost irrational anger that comes in response to the perfectly reasonable request to reproduce results in a controlled environment?
I have my own theories, but they wouldn't make me any more popular.
KM

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Mar 20, 2004

It would appear as though Wenron has bailed. But there is a question that has frequently occurred to me where alt med is concerned. Doesn't matter if it's hulda clark's theories, Johanna Budwig's theories, anyone else's theories that happen to differ from mainstream. Why the resistance to testing? If it works so well for these people, why are they so afraid of testing it? Why the almost irrational anger that comes in response to the perfectly reasonable request to reproduce results in a controlled environment?
I have my own theories, but they wouldn't make me any more popular.
KM

Kevin,

Frequently, "Right" ain't popular, and popular ain't always right.

We love you anyway, you curmudgeon.

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Mar 20, 2004

It would appear as though Wenron has bailed. But there is a question that has frequently occurred to me where alt med is concerned. Doesn't matter if it's hulda clark's theories, Johanna Budwig's theories, anyone else's theories that happen to differ from mainstream. Why the resistance to testing? If it works so well for these people, why are they so afraid of testing it? Why the almost irrational anger that comes in response to the perfectly reasonable request to reproduce results in a controlled environment?
I have my own theories, but they wouldn't make me any more popular.
KM

Kevin,

Frequently, "Right" ain't popular, and popular ain't always right.

We love you anyway, you curmudgeon.

lorijohnandbaby · Mar 15, 2006

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