recent colonoscopy experience - page 6
I had my first colonoscopy last Friday. I am 46 and my mother has had two surgeries for colon CA, so I felt pretty good about being so responsible. I went to every website I could find and researched all aspects of the... Read More
- 0Aug 25, '04 by lluvlucyWow, it sounds like you had a terrible time. I have worked in an outpatient surgery center assisting with EGD's and Colonoscopy's for the past 5 years. One piece of information we always tell the patient before we start is that we fill the colon with lots of air--please do not try to hold it---just let it go-you will not have an accident you are clean from prep. do not feel embarrassed, our job is to put it in, yours is to let it out. Plus during proc. the dr. is able to remove the air if at all painfull. Plus the nurse will be monitoring for distension,etc.,etc. Would that have helped at all?
- 0Aug 25, '04 by suzy253Oh yeah.....the distention and the air....the best advice I received whilst in recovery from my 1st colonoscopy was the nurse saying "let 'em rip'. OK then! Then some little elderly lady at the bed next to me sayinig to the same nurse 'that lady is farting'. and the nurse explaining to her that my colon is full of air and I have to get rid of it. I was very drousy but I remember laffin!
- 0Oct 24, '04 by ClassySince 2001, I've had 3 colonoscopies and 3 upper endoscopies. With my 1st and 2nd upper endoscopy and 1st colonoscopy, I remember very little. For my 2nd colonoscopy, I was fully awake but felt no pain. I watched the whole thing including the taking of biopsies during that one. Because of my level of consciousness with that colonoscopy and the greater risk involved with an ERCP, they used general anesthesia for that. With my next upper endoscopy, I was fully conscious. It was painful. I was gagging the entire time and they held me down to do the procedure. The doctor said he "used a boatload of sedation" but couldn't get me out. For all those procedures, I am not sure what was used. I then needed a colonoscopy so he totally changed the sedation medications. He used Fentanyl 200 mcg, Midazolam 6 mg, and Droperidol 5 mg. I remember hearing voices occassionally but that is it.
- 0Oct 24, '04 by SuperSGirlYou did not receive enough sedation! Next time find a doctor who is more generous with the medication. None of my patient's remember a thing about the procedure!
Quote from mat/childnurseI had my first colonoscopy last Friday. I am 46 and my mother has had two surgeries for colon CA, so I felt pretty good about being so responsible. I went to every website I could find and researched all aspects of the procedure (patient teaching, videos of colonoscopies, personal experiences, etc.) I also spoke to several people who had gone through the procedure recently including my husband and my OB/GYN. I felt very well informed and more than educated about what would happen, what I would see on the screen, and how it would feel.
I was given Versed 2 mg and Demerol 50 mg IVP and the doctor waited until I assured him that I was groggy. Everythiing went just as I expected until just after insertion when air was instilled into my colon. I experienced some of the worst pain I have ever felt. The doctor immediately instructed the nurse to give me "25 more" which I assumed meant more Demerol. He continued the exam with me moaning in pain. I felt every mm. of my colon being blown up and navigated. I tried to watch the screen because I was really interested to see my own colon after viewing so many others in my preparation for the procedure. The pain was practically unbearable. Since then, I have had trouble concentrating and sleeping because I keep reliving this scene. I feel so duped and betrayed. All of the instructions and testimonials I read stated that there is little dicomfort and the Versed gives the patient amnesia to any discomfort that may occur. I have lamazed three children and had I known ahead of time, I would have gotten into a breathing pattern and anticipated the pain. I will know better next time. And as a nurse, I will return in 5 years because of my FH.
I guess what I want from you guys is some validation that indeed this does occur occasionally and that I'm not alone in this experience.
Thanks for your input. Sorry about the length of this, but I needed to vent!
- 0Oct 24, '04 by Classy[QUOTE=bbarbie1]mshulz: Do you also have dental work without analgesia?
I've never have had novocaine or any analgesia for dental work. That discomfort is nothing compared to what I experience with the -oscopy procedures without proper sedation.
I also am one who has been raped. So when they held me down to perform the upper endoscopy which I posted about earlier, that revived those memories. I had many flashbacks and nightmares following that procedure and had to deal with those in therapy. My family doctor told me that many people who have similar traumas in the past describe not being sedated enough similarly to being raped.
- 0Oct 24, '04 by CHATSDALEthank you all for your input...i have been advised oncollogist to have a colonoscopy but primary p has not scheduled it... i am going to bite the bullet and call his office and get this thing done and over with...don't tell any one but i am chicken,,,i can give advise to family and friends but i bury my head in the sand when it comes to myself i hope i have a better experience than OP
- 0Oct 28, '04 by jewelcuttI'm absolutely terrified. I'm a former ICU nurse, now in anesthesia school. I have to get a colonoscopy because of recent problems and my very cool doc wants it done this week, so I'm getting it done saturday because, if anyone knows about anesthesia school, I can't take anytime off school. So anesthesia isn't available on weekends for some reason so I'm getting demerol and versed. Every scope I have helped out with in ICU was somewhat awake and moaning, have seen some in real pain, it just never seemed fair. I will not have this! I don't want to be awake, don't care if I obstruct my airway, don't want to cooperate, watch the video, or be in any sort of pain at all. What I'm wondering is what would you Endo nurse say are standard doses of Demerol and Versed (btw, I'm a 25 year old redhead, great!!) and what are the higher end of standard does you have given. I plan on having an indepth discussion with my doc before I'm wheeled in. I'm so scared after reading this board it's almost making me cry. Of course, that's why I went into anesthesia school, so I could take people's pain away during difficult times. I would so much rather get propofol, but this has to be done in two days so I'll suck it up. I'd really appreciate any Endo nurses responses, thanks in advance!
- 0Oct 28, '04 by bbarbie1When I had mine, I was also terrified! I was "lucky" enough to have to wait 3 weeks, though, which was not fun in any way, shape or form. My GP prescribed me enough Xanax (spelling?) to get me through, and that helped a lot. Ask for some! Even for one day!
The day of my procedure I had a consult with the GI doc before the procedure. I stressed that I did not want to be awake, did not want to be aware, did not want to watch, and that I was terribly worried because I had heard numerous horror stories about patients in terrible pain, the doctor ignoring patient requests for meds, begging to stop, etc. He assured me that he would either make me comfortable or he would stop and get me a virtual C that same day. I am brunette, 5'11", 170 lbs (hey, not too many people get to know that!), had 100 mg demerol and 10 mg versed. I "napped" through almost all of it, rousing twice for sensations that were probably pain but I did not perceive them as such. And he indicated that I could ask for more meds if needed, so I don't think I had reached the max "allowable" for my size. If you can come to this kind of understanding with the doc, the chances of making it through with reasonable comfort are good. I think the knowledge that he would pay attention to my comfort-distress was very reassuring. (BTW, the versed and the memory thing always makes me nervous--I don't like the idea of writhing in pain and not remembering.) On the whole, the actual experience was not as awful as the anticipation, not that I would ever do it for fun!
The one thing people seem to agree on is that it's nice/wonderful/exhiliarating to have it over with! Like a one-ton weight being lifted from your shoulders. The best part for me was walking out of that chamber of horrors and knowing I don't have to go back for 10 years!
Good luck, best wishes, God be with you!! Write back when it's over!
- 0Oct 29, '04 by bbarbie1Jewelcutt:
A couple of things, actually, occured to me on the drive home:
1. someone in ICU is likely to have many complicating issues the might preclude adequate medication, right? It should be easier (less worrisome?) to medicate someone who is in overall good health and in their 20's?
2. Demerol and Versed are standard for this area and seem to be effective for most people
3. Get a doc who is not afraid to use enough meds to achieve adequate levels of sedation
4. Is there truly a hurry to do this? Is there another facility that can deliver the type of sedation/anesthesia you feel comfortable with, and on a Saturday?
5. You might check out some of the other posts about levels of drugs used. Cecumseeker says that there is no such thing as average levels of meds, that everyone is different (hope I paraphrased him somewhat accurately! Read his post to be sure.). Certainly you should make sure the doc will be responsive to your requests for more meds if you are in a lot of pain!
Again--best wishes for a smooth, minimal-trauma, procedure!
- 0Oct 29, '04 by mshultzQuote from bbarbie1That's a good point. When I was in the Critical Care Unit, I was given a reduced amount of sedation for the EGD due to my condition (2mg Versed and 50 mg Demerol, plus the Cetacaine throat spray). I am 5' 7.5", and weighed about 175 pounds at the time. This amount of sedation had no perceptible effect on me. However, I found the EGD to be surprisingly tolerable.1. someone in ICU is likely to have many complicating issues the might preclude adequate medication, right? It should be easier (less worrisome?) to medicate someone who is in overall good health and in their 20's?
At my request, for the first part of my colonoscopy, I was given 1mg Versed and 50mg Demerol. I asked for additional medication when the scope was going from the transverse colon to the ascending colon, and was given 2mg Versed and 25mg Demerol. Unfortunately, I was unable to remember what happened after that, but the doctor said that I fell asleep half-way through, so presumably I was no longer in pain.
Chronic use of alcohol and/or benzodiazapines (Valium, etc.) results in a tolerance to Versed, while chronic use of narcotics results in a tolerance to Demerol. As a result, these people will be more difficult to adequately medicate.
Since I am determined to get through my next colonoscopy without sedation, I spend a lot of time reading about the procedure. The more colonoscopies the doctor has done, the easier the exam. Note that studies done on the tolerability of colonoscopies are limited to doctors with extensive experience (say >2000 exams). Also, the use of abdominal pressure during the exam helps. The Olympus ScopeGuide sounds promising:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/473215 (registration required but free). It can be assumed that a doctor good enough to use this technique on awake patients is going to be better with sedated patients than a doctor without such experience.