Nursing Shortage= Thousands of Unemployed New Grads? - page 3
by Winters22 15,451 Views | 29 Comments
Hi Everyone, I'm starting nursing school in April. On this site, I've seen many of you complain about not being able to find work after having graduated. This scares me, especially since I live in CA. I know that there's a... Read More
- 0Jan 14, '13 by Winters22@TheCommuter
Thank you for posting. I greatly appreciate it!
Thank you to everyone else that posted, too. You've in a way calmed my fears and I'm confident that when I graduate, I'll somehow find a job somewhere. I loved reading all your stories and can't wait to have my own story.
- 0Feb 5 by questioningRNStill Looking!
This is sad! I seriously feel like a loser. I know this post is fr NG, so I cant say I am experiencing exactly what your feeling - but I was laid off in the March of 2012 and its been so dry since. I did enroll in some grad courses to keep hours, do clinical and I volunteer with the public.
I am now thinking screw this look for some fake job that 200 ppl apply for (and the minority thing CANT have already been warn out? AA, Latino/a's/ NA/ Immigrants/ multiple subcultures of goth, deaf, blind, sick, old, Jewish, you, happy, crazy, male,
Anyone looking at going for a Masters in something outside of nursing yet?
- 0Feb 5 by MrChicagoRNQuote from Winters22I didn't see anything to lead me to an 8 year limit, but since it's in the 1st year forum, I Refrained from answering.Sorry about that. I thought it was understood I meant the current times (graduated no more than 8 years ago to the present). I don't care about 30 years ago because it doesn't affect me. I will change it if it will let me.
30 years ago, there was a small glut, and the hospital hired 25 of the 30 diploma grads who applied for these non-budgeted positions. I was one of the lucky 25.
- 0Feb 5 by stickit34There is no nursing shortage, and I live in rural Pennsylvania. All of the hospitals are filled with nurses fresh from the local nursing schools who churn them out faster and faster. While in nursing school, I worked very hard to be marketable. I joined Sigma Theta Tau, I networked the local hospitals and made connections, I was president of the SNA and took every opportunity to be in a leadership position. I also secured a job as a nursing assistant, which ultimately got me my current nursing position. Long story short - it's very hard, but doable. You just have to seek every opportunity and excel at it in any way that you can. Get your ACLS, PALS, etc, get a nursing assistant job while in school. No one said it was easy but it's definitely worth it.
- 0Feb 9 by RunBabyRNI agree that location and prior experience make a big difference. Looking for a rural hospital job in Boron or Visalia will look very different than trying to get a job at Cedars Sinai.
If you do pursue this, network network network. When the nurses I worked with complimented my work, I would jokingly say, "Be sure to tell your manager!" Word DID get to the manager. I'm currently precepting where that manager is, because SHE got me that preceptorship, noting, "I'm known for hiring new grads!" She's hugged me the last two times I saw her. I'm not graduating until May, but I feel like if I can show her what I can bring to her unit and get a good report from my preceptor, I have a good chance at a per diem job (and unlike many new grads, in the area of nursing I plan to spend my career!).
Which leads me to the next point- if you're looking for some cushy full-time benefited day shift position, you're looking in the wrong field. I plan to look for at least two jobs, because new grads are at the top of the chopping block, and are working per diem and likely nights. I'm also looking at commuting if it means a good job.
Get some experience under your belt. Get a CNA job asap, and start nailing those skills. Being comfortable touching and cleaning patients and talking to them in such an intimate setting is a HUGE hump that many new nursing students struggle with, and you'd have a HUGE advantage in clinicals if you had that part down. Plus, it DOES look good on a resume, and you can start making those connections that can come in handy when you're looking for RN work.
- 1Feb 9 by TheCommuter Senior ModeratorQuote from RunBabyRunCA is my home state. I applied for and interviewed at a community hospital in Visalia in 2012, and even with my experience, was rejected. Even the 'undesirable' parts of CA have difficult nursing job markets. I was also rejected in places like Bakersfield, Fresno, Hanford and Corcoran.I agree that location and prior experience make a big difference. Looking for a rural hospital job in Boron or Visalia will look very different than trying to get a job at Cedars Sinai.
So for now, I will remain in Texas where I have been blessed with steady employment for the length of my 8-year nursing career.
- 1Mar 13 by DejectedThere is no nursing shortage, if only I have researched this before going into nursing. I have graduated and its been a yr and still unemployed. If nursing shortage mean having 200 applicants applying for 1 position than I guess there is a nursing shortage.
- 1Jul 4 by TankwetiVery true. Nurses back then had a lot more bedside experience as a result of how nursing programs were structured back then Most hospitals had their own schools of nursing. But then it became too expensive and hospitals shut down their schools of nursing and handed education over to colleges and universities to get it off their balance sheet. Now they complain we aren't properly trained, can't hit ground running. But in all of this, I have yet to hear of even 1 hospital who sat down with a nursing program to be an active partner in structuring curriculums to produce the kind of nurses th r u want. Communication is so heavily emphasized in nursing school. Where is the communication between schools and future nursing employers?
- 0Jul 4 by DoGoodThenGoJust to be clear, yes many hospitals were reluctant to get on board but the push to move nursing education out to colleges and universities came from within the profession. The powers that be then and still largely believe that the profession is better served by students receiving the well rounded education that came from attending college or university as opposed to a diploma school.
To be fair a bulk of this push was coming to replacing diploma graduates with ADN graduates. Begun in the 1940's as a faster method to produce nurses (about 2 and 1/2 years as opposed to the three for most standard diploma programs) associate degree nurses could be produced faster and thus reduce the shortage caused by WWII and other reasons.
Many hospitals initially resisted the push to abandon their nursing programs. Why should they? The programs produced nurses specifically trained and orientated to their associated institution. Mind you by the 1960's or so all states had put in place curriculum mandates and changes to laws mean the old apprenticeship system of using students as unpaid labour was gone or fading fast. However it was still felt better to have an "in house" trained nursing staff than a bunch of college educated nurses.
A few things changed that thought process. First hospitals discovered whatever their prior reservations ADN nurses could perform as well as diploma graduates. They may have required a bit more orientation/seasoning but still they got to where they needed to be.
The other shot over the bow of hospital diploma programs yes, was in a way the expense. Insurance companies along with federal government stopped funding care provided by students. Medicare still provides some funding for hospital based nursing programs, it is not nearly enough and the bar is set very high. Running a nursing program is very expensive and became more so as the bar on nursing education was constantly being raised.
Many hospitals simply spun off their nursing programs (Saint Vincent's of Manhattan, Queens and Richmond is an example) to they were affiliated and or under the same corporate umbrella as a healthcare network. Others just closed down such as the excellent New York Hospital/Cornell program.
Finally it must be said that while diploma programs are and or great many hospitals preferred college prepared nurses over such graduates. I once asked someone who now works with the College of Mount Saint Vincent's nursing program who had worked at the Saint Vinny's school in Manhattan why that excellent program shut down. Her response was clear; " no one would hire them".
One of the oldest and most famous nursing programs in the United States, the Bellevue Hospital School of Nursing saw the handwriting on the wall early and merged with Hunter College. This despite wails of tears, protests and anger from Bellevue alumni. They were able to secure that the famous cap (the Bellevue fluff) was not part of the deal nor was the school's pin and student uniform.
By the 1970's and into the 1980's enrollment in all nursing programs plummeted. While many that were part of colleges and universities did close, hospital based programs were in a very particular bind. Places simply couldn't afford to keep the schools open in the face of declining numbers as it presented drain on already bad financial situations.
Philadelphia seems to be lone in the United States for having large numbers of hospital diploma programs. Here in NY only one remains for years now and it is way upstate somewhere.