New nurse and critical patients

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Hi I am a fairly new nurse. Graduated from school a year ago and was hired into the ER straight away. Been on the floor for 11 months and on my own the last 5 or 6. I work at a community hospital with a fairly sick patient population, not a trauma center.

I feel like I'm okay with the normal run of the mill stuff, but I am still terrified of critical patients and I know that I need to grow A LOT in this area. The issue where I feel most unsafe is when it comes to managing multiple drips and medications. I found myself in a situation the other night where the entire ED was slammed, acuity was high, tempers were short, and help was slim, and I was getting multiple patient's that were very sick requiring medications I'd never given before, plus others I have had limited experience with. I felt so uncomfortable and had so many questions, but was afraid of annoying the my overtaxed coworkers. I felt paralyzed by the whole situation. I found the pharmacy was no help (asking how to give glucagon for beta blocker overdose - told me to read the directions in the box, which were only for hypoglycemia so they were less than helpful). Also had to give cardene for the first time (patient was in hypertensive crisis secondary to cocaine toxicity) and the drip book was nowhere to be found so I could even figure out how to mix it. Was told to switch the cardene to nitroglycerin - can I just turn the cardene off or does it have to be titrated down first? Just some examples of my questions. Other nurses either didn't know the answer, or told me information I now question after I got home and googled it. For example the charge nurse had me start the cardene at 0.5 mg/hr and titrate up by 0.5mg, but I later read to start at 5 and go up in increments of 2.5. Or was the 0.5 appropriate because he was a renal patient? All I know is the guys blood pressure didn't budge and I had to ignore my other patient's for about an hour while i played with one medication.

I felt like I needed my hand held all freaking night - and yes I'm inexperienced but I should be doing better than this! Left work with no self-confidence worried about being a bad nurse and unsafe and thinking I need to give up ER nursing (but it was my dream and I've barely started!). When I am dealing with these high risk medications I feel like a caveman blindly swinging a club, but I don't have the knowledge or finesse to manage everything that is going on, or even recognize where I could get into trouble. I get the inkling that some other nurses just hang the meds, keep the vitals stable and don't worry about anything else - let the ICU finesse everything. Is that really our role with critical patients in the ED and the best I need to do? Or am I overthinking to the point where I'm ineffective. I feel like I don't know what I don't know, therefore I don't know what questions to even ask (a mouthful, I'm sorry).

So I guess what I've come up with a long winded way of asking what resources are out there for learning how to manage the critically ill patient with multi-system issues - specifically medication centered? And given the situation above, what other things am I missing and what other things could I include in my "action plan" to improve? How do I conquer this crippling self doubt? Any advice would be welcome. Thanks!

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.
I've never had a physician tell me what to start a drip at or how much to titrate it by. As a nurse you should know that you don't start a nitro gtt out at 200mcg or a cardene gtt at 15mg/hr.

No mention of protocols here.

Specializes in SI/CV ICU and ER.

I didn't specifically say anything about protocols there because I don't have to run to the book every time I start a drip. I understand that a new nurse may have to. Like I said, I've never worked in a hospital that didn't have such protocols, therefore I assumed it was understood. If not, my bad.

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.
Oh really? Um, OK then.

Well you did go on about the backward thinking, old-fashioned hospitals that didn't follow EBP.

Why are you asking that question? Did someone suggest that was OK and normal? Obviously I mean in another discussion because I have read this one and nobody is advocating for nurses deciding to initiate, and titrate in the absence of protocols.

Yes, see above post.

I am well aware that nurses are the primary target for being thrown under the bus by everybody else in health care.

You might be aware but I bet there are a few less experienced nurses here who need to know the tightrope they could be walking in this situation.

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.
I didn't specifically say anything about protocols there because I don't have to run to the book every time I start a drip. I understand that a new nurse may have to. Like I said, I've never worked in a hospital that didn't have such protocols, therefore I assumed it was understood. If not, my bad.

Yes but we are talking about new nurses here so we have to be clear. I don't want a new grad thinking it's okay to google a med for the correct dosing.

Specializes in SI/CV ICU and ER.

I am certainly not advocating googling anything if you don't know what to do. They need to spend some time reading about these drugs, learning what situation each should be used for, appropriate dosing guidelines, how to titrate, etc. However there is really no substitute for real world experience. I certainty don't think they should be given patients on multiple drips if they aren't conformable taking care of those patients. But at the same time, unless they work in an extremely small ER, after a year you should've had some exposure to these types of patients and should start becoming comfortable caring for them. Just my .02.

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.
I am certainly not advocating googling anything if you don't know what to do. They need to spend some time reading about these drugs, learning what situation each should be used for, appropriate dosing guidelines, how to titrate, etc. However there is really no substitute for real world experience. I certainty don't think they should be given patients on multiple drips if they aren't conformable taking care of those patients. But at the same time, unless they work in an extremely small ER, after a year you should've had some exposure to these types of patients and should start becoming comfortable caring for them. Just my .02.

You are absolutely correct and I completely agree with you. What I'm trying to communicate to the NEW nurses here is either utilize your facility's protocol book or get a clear order. This is not the time to wing it.

Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Well you did go on about the backward thinking, old-fashioned hospitals that didn't follow EBP.

If I was giving anecdotal evidence, or just my opinion I would have said so.

Yes, see above post.

Ya, I am still not seeing anyone talking about doing what you claim.

You might be aware but I bet there are a few less experienced nurses here who need to know the tightrope they could be walking in this situation.

Yes we all need to know where the line is and not to cross it, or at least how not to get caught crossing it.

Specializes in ER, progressive care.

The pharmacist is your friend. If you're ever unsure about a medication whether it's mixing it or how to give it/how to titrate or whatever, consult your pharmacist. ;)

The pharmacist is your friend. If you're ever unsure about a medication whether it's mixing it or how to give it/how to titrate or whatever, consult your pharmacist. ;)

The OP tried to consult the pharmacist. I guess the pharmacist wasn't their friend!

If someone from pharmacy would even answer the phone!

Specializes in CCU, CVICU, Cath Lab, MICU, Endoscopy..
I've never had a physician tell me what to start a drip at or how much to titrate it by. As a nurse you should know that you don't start a nitro gtt out at 200mcg or a cardene gtt at 15mg/hr.

I agree with above post, before your education dept signed you off for high risk cases drip titration understanding criterion should have been met ...different bp targets for htn emergency, brain hemorrhage or dissection......or pair novice with expert nurse for consults otherwise don't give high risk cases to novice and no resources. ...=epic fail and frustration!

Specializes in CCU, CVICU, Cath Lab, MICU, Endoscopy..
I have worked at a number of small rural critical access hospital ERs. My experience is that the smaller hospitals need / should have more protocols than the big teaching hospitals who have residents standing around all the time.

Generally the evidence I have seen indicates that those decisions should be made as close to the beside as possible and that empowering nurses results in better patient outcomes.

Hahaha. ... just remember it sucks to be a new nurse around july in a busy teaching hospital!!! So make friends with a senior nurse=best advice......all new residents roll up then it's the blind leading the blind!

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