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Specializes in Emergency Room.

If you have a pt. with limited iv access....is it ever ok to give blood with, say, sandostatin? Seeing as how the pt has h/h of 3/10 with diprovan going in #2 line and protonix going in #3 line and no central line (and no other access?). Blood was not typed/crossed due to h/h. silly me, I thought blood reaction was better than certain death, but would like your opinions.

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Specializes in Emergency Room.

you can't suggest a central line, cuz it didn't happen. pt was flown out of our little biddy er to a trauma 1:uhoh21:

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Specializes in Emergency.

h/h means what exactly???

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Specializes in Emergency Room.

hemoglobin and hematocrit,,,,,,as in about 1/4th to 1/5 th of the amount of blood this gentleman SHOULD have had in his body. He came in violently vomiting BRB. (bright red blood, oh no.) hx. etoh.

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Specializes in ITU/Emergency.

Nothing should be given with blood so no, its not ok to run it with Sandostatin. The only solution than you can ever give via the same line is NaCl. If you have limited access and there is no more access forthcoming,it becomes a question of whats the most important. If he was actively vomiting that much blood than it sounds like the blood is what he needed the most!

Is this what you are asking?

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Specializes in onc, M/S, hospice, nursing informatics.

I agree that nothing should be infused with blood. That's the time to call the physician to ask what s/he wanted first. But it sounds like he needed blood most, and, if he tolerated it okay, it possibly could have gone in fairly quickly.

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Specializes in Hospital Education Coordinator.

blood reaction can be certain death. That is why we have precautions. Pharmacy and Blood bank can give you list of drugs that are compatable with blood, but I bet it is a very short list.

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Specializes in Med/Surg, IV therapy, Emerg, Peds.

Just interested as to the reason a CVC 'didn't happen'? I'm assuming it was attempted multiple times without success? That is really the solution here - obviously this type of fluid resus patient needs large bore central access - or if that wasn't available in your ER - at least a peripheral IV inserted into the EJ? That can easily be placed by most ER docs, and it gives you a large vein to infuse into until proper CVC access can be gained...

Otherwise - if that isn't an option either, then yes, you would have to stop one infusion to run the blood in...not ideal, but better than the chance of a transfusion reaction...

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Specializes in Trauma, Teaching.

Otherwise - if that isn't an option either, then yes, you would have to stop one infusion to run the blood in...not ideal, but better than the chance of a transfusion reaction...

:yeahthat:

Never anything but saline with blood, with a rapid infuser or even just a pressure bag you can put blood in really fast in a trauma, then go back to your drugs.

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Specializes in ER, ICU, Infusion, peds, informatics.

had a similar situation last weekend.

sandostatin + protonix + levophed + antibiotics + blood

they had trouble cross-matching my patient (his hct wasn't anywhere near as low as your patient's, so redtag wasn't indicated), so i got some of the antibiotics in before the blood was ready. still, i had to stop something when the blood got there.

the icu nurses told me they will run protonix and sandostatin together in those situations. i couldn't find any info that they were ok to run together, so i didn't.

had i been in your shoes, i would have asked the doc which one -- the protonix or the sandostatin -- he felt the pt could go without for a few minutes, and then i would have slammed the blood in, assuming no volume issues.

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Specializes in Peds, ER/Trauma.

Like others have said, I would have stopped one of the drugs, used a rapid infuser to slam the blood in over about 5 minutes, then started the drug again.....

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Specializes in Emergency Dept, ICU.

Why couldn't you have just started the blood, and gotten another line? Anywhere else, E-J, legs, upper arm...

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