Clarification on the DNP requirement of 2015

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I'm a bit confused about the whole 2015 DNP requirement for APRNs. Does this mean a DNP, instead an MSN, is required in order to become a Nurse Practitioner starting 2015? Is this applied uniformly in all States or do States have their own "flexibility" on how this is handle? (I live in MA.)

If DNP is required, I wonder if MSN programs will be phased out and replaced by DNP programs or maybe integrated into the DNP programs. In a clinical setting, will the scope of practice expand for someone with a DNP vs someone with an MSN? Or are they moving to DNP because they believe that MSN programs are already very much a doctoral program relative to other health professions?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

umbdude

Yeah, they waive the MCAT and recalculate GPA using a different algorithm.

I just feel 2 years would be adequate, as PA school is no joke in many aspects with intern year and residency squaring away any deficits if there were any.

Having an experienced PA sit in clerkships (or hell maybe even intern year) is a waste of their knowledge base.

For some silly season, med school want to keep their brand and they are inflexible in changing anything... Au contraire, they are making things harder. Now some (if not most) specialties want their doc to be re-boarded every 10 years, which I think is ridiculous. The problem with having a bridge PA program shorter is that the way they teach basic science in med is very in depth, which I think most PA school don't do.

Again you are correct that a PA that has been practicing for 3+ years should not be start at the intern level.

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Maybe they should go like the 3-year program PA to DO that LECOM has so they can at least give NP the opportunity to become expert in whatever field they desire (like Radiology, Surgery, Anesthesiology etc...).

One can already do med school in 3 years. Why would a PA have to do the exact same amount of medical school as a recent college grad right off the street?

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One can already do med school in 3 years. Why would a PA have to do the exact same amount of medical school as a recent college grad right off the street?

Because PA school is NOT medical school... All you have to do is to compare the curriculum of PA school vs. med school...

Med school put a lot emphasis on basic science classes like histology, Embryology, Neuroanatomy, immunology etc... that other professional schools don't...

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Its just a big money scheme requiring a DNP. You know all those college are giving kickbacks to our pathetic nursing government body. I had my old school call me personally and ask me to do their DNP program. You know its a worthless piece of crap degree when they have to call you to get you to do. I don't think medical schools spend much time calling people to go to their school. If a college advertises specific programs, especially via phone, your degree is probably worth less than the turd you just wiped off your butt

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Because PA school is NOT medical school... All you have to do is to compare the curriculum of PA school vs. med school...

Med school put a lot emphasis on basic science classes like histology, Embryology, Neuroanatomy, immunology etc... that other professional schools don't...

For "fun", I take a lot of Q bank Step 1 and Step 2 CK practice exams and I will agree that Step 1 is difficult for me because I do not have a strong knowledge base in some of the histology, embyology and biochem areas. I performed a lot better on the Step 2 questions as a whole because they are more clinically relevant.

To be fair if you pimped out most attendings with Step 1 questions I would venture a guess that most would have a hard time answering without some serious muscle memory digging. I was even talking to a few last night who laughed when I asked if they could take Step 1 now and do well. For every day clinical reference it just isn't realistic. However, I do agree a basic understanding at the step 1 level is in many aspects necessary to succeed while being a provider.

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Step1 is basically all these sciences that have arguably little to do with clinical medicine...

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Step1 is basically all these sciences that have arguably little to do with clinical medicine...

Well yeah, but one of the knocks against NPs is the lack of these basic sciences right? My question is, 10 years down the road as a provider how much is really retained?

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Has anyone clarified yet that the requirement for DNP is only in regards to CRNA (as of today, we shall see) and programs start converting in 2015 and have to all be converted by 2025? The other APRN groups haven't stated they will all become DNP yet but DNP CRNP programs are suspiciously coming out of the woodworks. Mysterious omen maybe?

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Well yeah, but one of the knocks against NPs is the lack of these basic sciences right? My question is, 10 years down the road as a provider how much is really retained?

It's not the only knocks against NP... Residency is also extremely important and this is where physicians connect all these basic science they learned in med school. Another thing is that medical school attracts the best and the brightest for some reason, so these people on AVERAGE are smarter than NP... In fact, if you look at a research done by University of Wisconsin, physicians have the highest average IQ (if you believe in that) of all professions... Maybe their crazy admission process has something to do with that.

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It's not the only knocks against NP... Residency is also extremely important and this is where physicians connect all these basic science they learned in med school. Another thing is that medical school attracts the best and the brightest for some reason, so these people on AVERAGE are smarter than NP... In fact, if you look at a research done by University of Wisconsin, physicians have the highest average IQ (if you believe in that) of all professions... Maybe their crazy admission process has something to do with that.

And yet the outcomes between physicians and NPs are comparable..

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And yet the outcomes between physicians and NPs are comparable..

For HTN, DM, brain surgery...

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For HTN, DM, brain surgery...

What does the research state?..

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