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  1. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    As a sufferer of an auto-immune disorder...I found it on the American Autoimmune Related Diseases Association site (AARDA):: American Autoimmune Related Diseases Association, Inc ::
  2. Visit  Laidback Al profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    A PLoS study has documented that, given enough vaccine injections, everyone will develop an autoimmune disorder. The study was performed on mice developed for their ability to withstand such chronic disease. It found that the immune systems of all these autoimmune disease-resistant mice become deranged by the time they're given an eighth injection of antigens alone. That is, injection of adjutants was not required to cause autoimmunity. Antigen injection alone was enough to cause autoimmune diseases.
    Just more anti-vaccine propaganda from a conspiracy site twisting the results of a published article.

    At the gaia-health site, anti-vaccers have reinterpreted the purposes of the article and twisted the results to suit their own conspiracy theories. The article was proposing a theory about autoimmunity and as stated, the authors "propose here 'self-organized criticality theory' explaining the cause of autoimmunity". It was definitely not a confirmatory study documenting or demonstrating that "given enough vaccine injections, everyone will develop an autoimmune disorder" as stated in the quote posted by Esme12. This is an anti-vaccer reinterpretation of the paper.

    In fact, the only reference in the article to vaccines or vaccinations is this passage " . . . Living organisms are constantly exposed to a broad range of environmental antigens, as exemplified by the recent re-emergence of measles virus infection among a subpopulation of Japanese young adults who were not vaccinated against the virus. . ."

    Instead of accepting anti-vaccer propaganda on conspiracy sites, I urge everyone to read the original article themselves and make their own informed decision. Here is the link: PLOS ONE: Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity
  3. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    LaidbackAl........
    as stated in the quote posted by Esme12.
    that is not my quote.......it is a quote from the "article" link I posted. The "anti-vaccine" site also gives a link to the PLOS ONE study and I hope that people will make their own informed decision.

    I am not an anti-vaccer per-say...my kid are vaccinated.......except for the flu......but I am a sufferer of a severe rare auto-immune disorder and I wonder....how much has my life long job played into my disease. I am DES daughter....Diethylstilbestrol.... another SAFE medicine guaranteed by the government......oops. How much has the injection of the animals we eat, the enginerring of teh veggies we eat ....has damaged us and our immune systems.

    I was around for the..... oops...... Swine flu vaccine of years ago and watched co-workers suffer through Gillian Barre syndrome and became ill myself? .....another documented oops....another coincidence??? or the forced sterilization by the government with the last one performed in Oregon in 1981......

    Do I trust the government? NO. Have I received all these immunizations my self? Yes....every single one including yearly infection of TB tests......several Hep B (they now recommend 2) for I am a non converter..........do I think they have harmed me? Yes. will anyone admit it? No...not in my lifetime.

    I think we should have the right to choose. We are a "free" society. We have the right guaranteed by the constitution for my right to choose and my right to refuse. I know the constitution doesn't guarantee these rights free of prosecution but it does guarantee the right of freedom against persecution.

    The hospitals don't care. If they did they would mandate all who enter to be vaccinated. Why does the rest of the population have the right to refuse but medical personnel do not....they hospital doesn't care about the staff spreading the flu they are trying to minimize sick time.....

    I try to remain out of these arguments for both sides are passionate about their beliefs. just wanted to correct that it wasn't my quote.....it was a quote from the article.

    Peace...
  4. Visit  Laidback Al profile page
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    Esme12 -

    I understand that it was not your quote but a quote you cited in your post. But selecting a quote from a biased site rather than a direct quote from the article itself may indicate a bias. The statement in the quote you selected - "A PLoS study has documented that, given enough vaccine injections, everyone will develop an autoimmune disorder." - is absolutely not true. The article does NOT document anything about getting too many vaccinations, as I note in my post.

    Anecdotal evidence and self reporting are not reliable or scientific measures of efficacy or lack of efficacy of influenza vaccinations.

    We seems to go around and around on these civil rights issues and conspiracy theories. It is not the government that is mandating flu vaccinations, it is employers. And no one is forced to work for an employer. In the USA at least, everyone still has the freedom to quit if they don't like the rules of the employer or risk being fired (see this thread).
  5. Visit  olddragger profile page
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    laidback al what is your thoughts on why employers are suddenly mandating these vaccinations? To the best of my knowledge this began in 2011?
  6. Visit  morte profile page
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    It may be indirect, but it certainly is the goverenment. It comes via CMMS. Social engineering.
    Quote from Laidback Al
    Esme12 -

    I understand that it was not your quote but a quote you cited in your post. But selecting a quote from a biased site rather than a direct quote from the article itself may indicate a bias. The statement in the quote you selected - "A PLoS study has documented that, given enough vaccine injections, everyone will develop an autoimmune disorder." - is absolutely not true. The article does NOT document anything about getting too many vaccinations, as I note in my post.

    Anecdotal evidence and self reporting are not reliable or scientific measures of efficacy or lack of efficacy of influenza vaccinations.

    We seems to go around and around on these civil rights issues and conspiracy theories. It is not the government that is mandating flu vaccinations, it is employers. And no one is forced to work for an employer. In the USA at least, everyone still has the freedom to quit if they don't like the rules of the employer or risk being fired (see this thread).
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    Quote from Laidback Al
    Esme12 -

    I understand that it was not your quote but a quote you cited in your post. But selecting a quote from a biased site rather than a direct quote from the article itself may indicate a bias. The statement in the quote you selected - "A PLoS study has documented that, given enough vaccine injections, everyone will develop an autoimmune disorder." - is absolutely not true. The article does NOT document anything about getting too many vaccinations, as I note in my post.

    Anecdotal evidence and self reporting are not reliable or scientific measures of efficacy or lack of efficacy of influenza vaccinations.

    We seems to go around and around on these civil rights issues and conspiracy theories. It is not the government that is mandating flu vaccinations, it is employers. And no one is forced to work for an employer. In the USA at least, everyone still has the freedom to quit if they don't like the rules of the employer or risk being fired (see this thread).
    I am not going to argue vaccination....I have my personal theories......... if you understand that it wasn't my quote but a quote from a link that I found on the American Association of Rare Auto Immune diseases....quote it as such.

    I feel it is wrong for any employer to force potentially dangerous medications upon employees and threaten them with their jobs to force compliance when even they cannot absolutely prove efficacy and will accept no responsibility.

    Even the government took YEARS to recognize and admit to agent orange
    While in Vietnam, the veterans were told not to worry, and were persuaded the chemical was harmless.After returning home, Vietnam veterans began to suspect their ill health or the instances of their wives having miscarriages or children born with birth defects might be related to Agent Orange and the other toxic herbicides to which they were exposed in Vietnam. Veterans began to file claims in 1977 to the Department of Veterans Affairs for disability payments for health care for conditions they believed were associated with exposure to Agent Orange, or more specifically, dioxin, but their claims were denied unless they could prove the condition began when they were in the service or within one year of their discharge.

    By April 1993, the Department of Veterans Affairs had only compensated 486 victims, although it had received disability claims from 39,419 soldiers who had been exposed to Agent Orange while serving in Vietnam.
    and the illnesses caused by exposure to Sept 11.
    Various health programs have arisen to deal with the ongoing health effects of the September 11 attacks. The World Trade Center Health Program, which provides testing and treatment to 9/11 responders and survivors, consolidated many of these after the James Zadroga Act became law in January 2011.
    So no I don't trust nor believe the have my best interest at heart.
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  8. Visit  Laidback Al profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    . . .So no I don't trust nor believe the have my best interest at heart.
    It is easy to ascribe human emotions and motivations to corporations or governments. Despite the supreme court ruling, these headless mutli-tendriled conglomerates are not people--and they do not think, feel, or act on a rational basis like individuals do.

    The only person that has your own best interest at heart is yourself. While I may not agree about purposeful conspiracy theories, I think everyone needs to educate themselves and make the choices they think are best for themselves.
  9. Visit  Laidback Al profile page
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    Quote from olddragger
    laidback al what is your thoughts on why employers are suddenly mandating these vaccinations? To the best of my knowledge this began in 2011?
    fear of lawsuits?

    It is hard to know. Big corporations and operations don't like dissension in the ranks. They certainly know that, in general, nurses don't want to be forced to be vaccinated. I am pretty sure that hospital and health care facilities don't get a kick back from the vaccine manufacturer for every nurse they vaccinate.

    But for whatever reason, bottom line perhaps, they are willing to aggravate their employees and make them get vaccinated.
  10. Visit  remryreid profile page
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    LOVE your comment and THANK YOU!! Couldn't agree more. Show me the research! It's a scam to make money. There are not credible studies documenting that the flu shot is effective. They are guessing - they think it will work and if not...hey, we'll scare (and FORCE) lots of people into getting the flu shot and oh - a let's give them a little bit of toxic mercury and other preservatives while we're at it. How is this world and how are educated people so brainwashed. So, if you happen to catch the flu - stay home, recover and go back to work when you're ready - of course stay away from the immunocompromised. Just because you get the flu shot doesn't mean that you won't catch the flu! But because you did, you're body now has more toxins which puts you at risk for MANY things down the road.
  11. Visit  Laidback Al profile page
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    Quote from remryreid
    LOVE your comment and THANK YOU!! Couldn't agree more. Show me the research! It's a scam to make money. There are not credible studies documenting that the flu shot is effective. They are guessing - they think it will work and if not...hey, we'll scare (and FORCE) lots of people into getting the flu shot and oh - a let's give them a little bit of toxic mercury and other preservatives while we're at it. How is this world and how are educated people so brainwashed. So, if you happen to catch the flu - stay home, recover and go back to work when you're ready - of course stay away from the immunocompromised. Just because you get the flu shot doesn't mean that you won't catch the flu! But because you did, you're body now has more toxins which puts you at risk for MANY things down the road.
    I hope you weren't referring to my post.

    Corporations are not motivated by trying to improve the public good. But that does not mean that flu vaccines are ineffective or dangerous. I am always skeptical of drive-posters spouting anti-vaccer propaganda. I generally recommend people research the facts, not the hearsay, for themselves.

    First, vaccine manufacturers do not make money off of flu vaccine which is why there is government support. Big pharma makes a lot more money off of patented drugs and vaccines such as ZOSTAVAX or GARDASIL.

    There are single does vaccines that are available that contain no preservatives at all, no Thimerosal and hence no mercury.

    While getting the flu vaccine may not stop you from getting the flu, it certainly increases your chances of avoiding infection.

    Don't believe anonymous posters on internet sites. Read peer-reviewed scientific studies. No matter what you read on the internet, these studies are all not a part of a big pharma-government cover-up and vaccination conspiracy.
  12. Visit  imjustme123 profile page
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    Quote from Laidback Al
    fear of lawsuits?

    It is hard to know. Big corporations and operations don't like dissension in the ranks. They certainly know that, in general, nurses don't want to be forced to be vaccinated. I am pretty sure that hospital and health care facilities don't get a kick back from the vaccine manufacturer for every nurse they vaccinate.

    But for whatever reason, bottom line perhaps, they are willing to aggravate their employees and make them get vaccinated.
    I think this answer is telling. Your answer was not "patient safety".
  13. Visit  ilvnrsg profile page
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    I am a traveling nurse and this season was my 1st time having to be forced to recieve the vaccine. I was not happy but wanted this particular job. I have been a nurse for 8 years, my mom an RN for over 30 years and both have refused to it. When this started back in October, it was nationally stated that the flu vaccine will not protect one against this years strain as it is based on the yrs prior flu strand. This is ludicrous. And i cant tell you how many people/ hcw have received the shot and still got the flu, even twice. That says something. Like i said l, I had my own reasons for taking this assignment. Being forced to do it..it's not like our regular vaccines.


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