Is your Facility 'forcing' you to get the Flu Vaccine? - page 7

My company have a new policy that if you do not want to receive the flu vaccine this year by end November, then you have to wear a mask within 6 feet of all patients. So they are not saying you... Read More

  1. Visit  EmmaZ06 profile page
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    Dr. Hugh Fudenberg has had his medical license revoked http://www.casewatch.org/board/med/fudenberg/1995order.shtml

    Dr. Boyd Haley attempted to put a chelator into a pill and market it as a "dietary supplement" without any evidence of safety, when the FDA questioned him he pulled it rather than come up with the evidence. FDA warns maker of autism supplement - UPI.com

    As far as the mercury issue, get your flu shot from a single dose vile and there won't be any thimerosal CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - Questions & Answers - Thimerosal and 2012-2013 Seasonal Flu Vaccines

    You can find an "expert" promoting just about any opinion you have if you google it, which is why it is so important to consider the source.

    this comment was in response to the articles posted by Brightfuture4us, but for some reason they didn't get quoted in the reply. Dr. Hugh Fudenberg and Dr. Boyd Haley were the doctors linking the flu shot to alzheimer's.
    Last edit by EmmaZ06 on Oct 15, '12 : Reason: omission
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  3. Visit  GitanoRN profile page
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    Enlightening...
  4. Visit  EmmaZ06 profile page
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    You have the right not to get the shot, but unless you physician is telling you that it is contraindicated, the facility has the right to say that you can not work there if you refuse. I can see a person with an autoimmune disease being nervous about a flu shot, and it is something that should be discussed with you physician. If your physician agrees that you should not get the shot then the facility should not make you; however as I stated earlier if there are no contraindications healthcare workers should get the shot.
    I am actually a strong proponent of treating the whole patient, and I don't think that modern medicine has found all the answers, BUT the flu shot has been tested over and over on large populations. It took approximately 30 years to find that DES was harmful, but they DID find out it was harmful. The flu shot has been around more than twice as long and they have yet to find a concrete reason not to get the shot. GBS risk is slightly increased but the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks.

    Even if it only reduces you chance of spreading the flu by a third, that is a third less chance you have of spreading a potentially deadly illness to a patient.
  5. Visit  Brightfuture4us profile page
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    Although he may have eventually fallen from grace...it does not negate his prior research. He was twice nominated for a nobel prize. These particular articles were offered as food for thought. You are correct in considering the source...that applies to BOTH sides of a debate. A single dose with "no" mercury still has aluminum...I would say for anyone being forced to get the vaccine this is probably a better option but still not the answer IMO and my understanding is it is harder to come by. I am fortunate enough to be adding nursing as a second career and can very carefully choose who I work for and what they will require of me. Not everyone is as lucky. Sadly...no time for debate this morning as I have an appointment with my alternative medicine physician . Oh how I love that man...even though he is NOT vaccinated lol. Have a beautiful day EmmaZ
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    Quote from Brightfuture4us
    Although he may have eventually fallen from grace...it does not negate his prior research. He was twice nominated for a nobel prize. These particular articles were offered as food for thought. You are correct in considering the source...that applies to BOTH sides of a debate. A single dose with "no" mercury still has aluminum...I would say for anyone being forced to get the vaccine this is probably a better option but still not the answer IMO and my understanding is it is harder to come by. I am fortunate enough to be adding nursing as a second career and can very carefully choose who I work for and what they will require of me. Not everyone is as lucky. Sadly...no time for debate this morning as I have an appointment with my alternative medicine physician . Oh how I love that man...even though he is NOT vaccinated lol. Have a beautiful day EmmaZ
    There is no aluminum in the seasonal influenza vaccine. It should not be that difficult to find the mercury free flu vaccine since they only put the thimerosal in multi-dose vials.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...nt-table-2.pdf

    If my doctor was telling me not to take the flu shot because it contains mercury and aluminum, I would consider another doctor, because they were either lying or uninformed about the options. I am not trying to be offensive, but there is no debate about the aluminum, it is simply not there. Have a wonderful day
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  7. Visit  Brightfuture4us profile page
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    Thimerosal (only in multi-dose vials of flu vaccine) To prevent contamination
    Aluminum salts To help stimulate the body’s response to the antigens
    Sugars, gelatin To keep the vaccine potent during transportation and storage
    Egg protein To grow enough of the virus or bacteria to make the vaccine
    Formaldehyde To kill viruses or inactivate toxins during the manufacturing process
    Penicillin, sulfa drugs To prevent contamination by bacteria during the vaccine manufacturing process
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    Quote from Brightfuture4us
    Thimerosal (only in multi-dose vials of flu vaccine) To prevent contamination
    Aluminum salts To help stimulate the body’s response to the antigens
    Sugars, gelatin To keep the vaccine potent during transportation and storage
    Egg protein To grow enough of the virus or bacteria to make the vaccine
    Formaldehyde To kill viruses or inactivate toxins during the manufacturing process
    Penicillin, sulfa drugs To prevent contamination by bacteria during the vaccine manufacturing process
    You have posted a list of common vaccine ingredients from the CDC website, NOT the ingredients of the flu vaccine. I did not say that there is no aluminum in any vaccines, I said that it is not in the influenza vaccine. If you read the actual ingredients of the influenza vaccine (it is all in the chart that I previously posted) none of brands contain aluminum.
  9. Visit  Brightfuture4us profile page
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    Colorado healthcare workers to be fired if they refuse mandatory flu shots

    An article about this very debate happening in Colorado. I just wish that western medicine would work on building up the immune systems the right way. EmmaZ...I understand that you passionatly debate your position. You are not going to change my mind...nor me yours. We simply disagree. What is right for one is not right for another. This is why we all have the right to decide what we will or will not accept for ourselves and our families. This take the shot or lose your job mentality is but one symptom of a much larger problem. I do not want to bore anyone or distract from the op's original post. I wish everyone the best outcomes for whatever decision they make on this topic!
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  10. Visit  EmmaZ06 profile page
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    You are right, we are not going to change each others minds, but I really hope that you take our this thread into consideration when making decisions. There is nothing wrong with boosting your immune system. Not all alternative therapies are fake, but not all mainstream medicine is bad for you either. My biggest problem is with so called "studies" is that they scare people into making uninformed medical decisions. I have read so many "scientific" articles against the flu shot that have no real basis. Too many people are mistaking psudoscience for real dangers. I understand that science will keep changing, but the fact that there are mercury and aluminum free influenza vaccines available will not change. As nurses it is our job to keep up to date and informed about the medications we are administering.
  11. Visit  Brightfuture4us profile page
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    Emma...they are not UNINFORMED...they are DIFFERENT from yours...MY choice is NOT to vaccinate...so here we go round the mulberry bush...If you want to PM we can go over and over and over...my views are not changed...Thankfully I won't have to administer meds for long...RN is just a means to an end for me and my field won't deal with much of that. You are as hard headed as I am lol. ANYHoooo being up to date on meds you administer and being FORCED to take vaccine for yourself...NOT the same! I also never said that ALL mainstream medicine is bad but there sure is a lot of it that is not what it should be...another topic though.
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