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  1. Visit  lumbarpain profile page
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    Agree with Missnurse.....I worked for 17 years as a LTC/Subacute RN....saw alot happening back then, saw things I didnt like, saw too many patients getting too many meds and not getting any better. What are we doing wrong..?? we missed the mark on being Human and caring and become a techno high profile texting, emailing, computer ravaged, paperwork innudated more complicated, less compassionate society. I am sure there are many many people out there that agree with me, but how come we are all so silent when all this is taking place. What do we do about all this forced vaccine stuff before we are forced to do other things in this country just to survive.?
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  3. Visit  olddragger profile page
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    Nursing by profession is at times too complacent. Why do ya'll think that occurs?
    What single patient focused standard has Nursing on a national level said they will not do? I am not speaking about the general statements--we will not do anything not ethical etc.
    What specific thing has Nursing on a national level taken a stand on? Nurse to patient ratios--no? Proper infection control techniques enforced--no. Working mandatory overtime--no. Working too long of a shift ( 16 hrs+) --no. Professional autonomy --no ( I know of nursing departments being managed by non nurses, nursing policies developed without nursing input--etc).
    Unfortunately Unions are the only thing that can bring a single voice to others that I am aware of. Now I am not pro union, but if it gets down to them versus us--unions may become more prevalent.

    Conspiracy theory? I think maybe there is a misunderstanding in that regard. I perceive " they" as being those that are mandating this vaccination. "They" do control a lot now a days. Monitoring every keystroke, monitoring your position while at work, video cameras in halls. elevators and outside the facility. "They" are also monitoring your activity while away from work--speaking about something "they" dont like on facebook can get you fired for example. I don't think its a conspiracy ( agaisnt what?) but the fact remains we have lost a LOT of privacy. We have lost a lot of privacy in our lives and now others are telling us we must receive this so called vaccine or lose your job. I think we are getting mad. That could be a good thing.
  4. Visit  MeggieA profile page
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    Quote from olddragger
    Nursing by profession is at times too complacent. Why do ya'll think that occurs?
    What single patient focused standard has Nursing on a national level said they will not do? I am not speaking about the general statements--we will not do anything not ethical etc.
    What specific thing has Nursing on a national level taken a stand on? Nurse to patient ratios--no? Proper infection control techniques enforced--no. Working mandatory overtime--no. Working too long of a shift ( 16 hrs+) --no. Professional autonomy --no ( I know of nursing departments being managed by non nurses, nursing policies developed without nursing input--etc).
    Unfortunately Unions are the only thing that can bring a single voice to others that I am aware of. Now I am not pro union, but if it gets down to them versus us--unions may become more prevalent.

    Conspiracy theory? I think maybe there is a misunderstanding in that regard. I perceive " they" as being those that are mandating this vaccination. "They" do control a lot now a days. Monitoring every keystroke, monitoring your position while at work, video cameras in halls. elevators and outside the facility. "They" are also monitoring your activity while away from work--speaking about something "they" dont like on facebook can get you fired for example. I don't think its a conspiracy ( agaisnt what?) but the fact remains we have lost a LOT of privacy. We have lost a lot of privacy in our lives and now others are telling us we must receive this so called vaccine or lose your job. I think we are getting mad. That could be a good thing.

    I agree with all you said.

    First I accept the definition of a conspiracy as:any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.Obviously, there is NOT just one entity taking action to bring about certain results on a population but numerous.When I look at all the WHYs and VARIABLES behind these actions it is very easy for me to come to a conclusion.

    I see things happening on a large scale AGAINST our RIGHTS! More rights are being awarded to those in power to erode the rights of a lot of Americans.

    My take on this is: Americans and GOOD,HONEST,RESPECTABLE,LAW ABIDING,HARD WORKING Americans are NOW being coerced through MANDATES and FEAR.Jobs are now being hung like carrots over people's heads ,as what is happening with some of these mandates we are seeing.

    Could there be a degree of truth that Americans are being"dumbed down"? Whether through drugs(and more and more of them)lack of education through massive education cuts lately(some legitimate-most not),through inaccessibility for continuing and advanced education due to exorbitant costs for those not wealthy enough to afford it or accepted but found to be ILLITERATE!! I definitely question an agenda with that one. In addition there is the insane number of people forced(mostly for legitimate reasons,some not) onto welfare.

    Who,of those who have the power to help,is actually doing so AND succeding?Some mainstream Americans have some really great doable ideas on solutions for resolving alot of the problems we face.Sure we are LISTENED to but that is about all. Maybe succeding in resolutions is NOT an option? Maybe once a good part of society is deemed unintellegent,financially insecure and largely powerless, then VOILA.Hmmmm.

    All in all, I feel we are becoming a society that has less and less resources to fight back against these injustices. Are we becoming too much of a drugged,malnourished(body and soul), sick,poor,uneducated and,by some new laws, unprotected society? We are already on that proverbial slippery slope into a complacent,desensitized,vulnerable state of existence.

    You are so right in stating "we are getting mad".We are just NOT mad enough and I fear collectively we will NEVER be.Sure ,we will continue to complain and spout betrayal amongst our little groups of friends,family,acquaintances while our reactions are monitored as a whole(through polls and activist activities) and found we are NOT going to do too much about it. It will just afford more time,reason and power (for those who CAN) to take more of our RIGHTS away.
  5. Visit  MeggieA profile page
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    Quote from morte
    You are aware that OSHA will not get behind mandating the flu shot, yes?

    YES, but NOT YET anyway. Big Pharma is gaining more and more influence over the research in OCCUPATIONAL epidemiology and pharmacoepidemiology. Very unsettling to me.
  6. Visit  mariebailey profile page
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    Random question: How many people participating in this thread are wearing a tin foil hat?
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  7. Visit  martinbegin profile page
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    I'm new to this site, but here are my two cents...

    Follow the $$$. Who is really making out on this from a business perspective. Yes, we nurses really care about our pts. But owners, share holders, insurance companies, legal industry, etc. do healthcare for the PROFIT. The aforementioned have the ear of Congress via special interest groups. Congress is responsible for the legislation the health industry follows. Medicare holds the purse strings over everyone, paying wha
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  8. Visit  olddragger profile page
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    mariebailey --with all due respect, that comment was not called for.

    I think the people posting/reading this thread are NOT psychotic, paranoid or members of a radical group. I dont think anyone is wearing a tin foil hat. By the way-- I think you mean aluminum foil hat? They don't make "tin foil" anymore........

    I think people posting here have concerns and are voicing those over a free internet forum consisting of fellow professionals.
    Yes--we do get off topic sometimes--its an internet forum----!
    yes--some of us to feel like we have no say so in some of the decisions that others make that heavily influence our lives. Decisions that don't make any sense to us.

    The focus here is the mandatory flu vaccination. If you have been following developments concerning this mandate I think you will begin to see that the hospitals that have acted interdependently in making this mandate, are beginning to see that perhaps that wasn't the best thing to do.

    Just because others don't agree with your pro flu vaccination beliefs doesnt mean you have to become disrespectful.
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  9. Visit  mariebailey profile page
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    Quote from olddragger
    mariebailey --with all due respect, that comment was not called for.

    I think the people posting/reading this thread are NOT psychotic, paranoid or members of a radical group. I dont think anyone is wearing a tin foil hat. By the way-- I think you mean aluminum foil hat? They don't make "tin foil" anymore........

    I think people posting here have concerns and are voicing those over a free internet forum consisting of fellow professionals.
    Yes--we do get off topic sometimes--its an internet forum----!
    yes--some of us to feel like we have no say so in some of the decisions that others make that heavily influence our lives. Decisions that don't make any sense to us.

    The focus here is the mandatory flu vaccination. If you have been following developments concerning this mandate I think you will begin to see that the hospitals that have acted interdependently in making this mandate, are beginning to see that perhaps that wasn't the best thing to do.

    Just because others don't agree with your pro flu vaccination beliefs doesnt mean you have to become disrespectful.
    You're right; I should not have posted that. I apologize.
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  10. Visit  MeggieA profile page
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    Quote from olddragger
    mariebailey --with all due respect, that comment was not called for.

    I think the people posting/reading this thread are NOT psychotic, paranoid or members of a radical group. I dont think anyone is wearing a tin foil hat. By the way-- I think you mean aluminum foil hat? They don't make "tin foil" anymore........

    I think people posting here have concerns and are voicing those over a free internet forum consisting of fellow professionals.
    Yes--we do get off topic sometimes--its an internet forum----!
    yes--some of us to feel like we have no say so in some of the decisions that others make that heavily influence our lives. Decisions that don't make any sense to us.

    The focus here is the mandatory flu vaccination. If you have been following developments concerning this mandate I think you will begin to see that the hospitals that have acted interdependently in making this mandate, are beginning to see that perhaps that wasn't the best thing to do.

    Just because others don't agree with your pro flu vaccination beliefs doesnt mean you have to become disrespectful.

    What a wonderful response to such an immature grade school post. If I were to respond to her it most definitely wouldn't be a warm and cuddly read.
  11. Visit  olddragger profile page
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    Thank you Mariebailey--apology accepted.

    Well, according to cdc's report the number of flu cases are greatly diminished. Thats a good thing.
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  12. Visit  CrunchRN profile page
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    I don't know. I thought it was kind of funny. Why not laugh now and then no matter what your belief or stance on the issue. Sometimes a little "lighten up" is appropriate.
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  13. Visit  sarbo1010 profile page
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    If the hospital really cared about employees not infecting each other they would actually honor an employee calling in sick. I have worked at many hospitals across the US and with the exception of one (st. Joes in Tampa), if you called in sick you were treated as a liar and a malingerer.

    At St. Joes I was actually working a shift and I started getting a little hoarse with a sore throat and was sent home until it could be determined that I was not going to be febrile etc... but in 30 years and about 10 or more hospitals i have worked at, they are the only ones. My current hospital let the tele tech come in so sick she wore her scarf hat and mittens (she was chilling from her fever) and they just had the attitude that we were too short staffed to even bother trying to find a replacement for her.

    So they insist we get a flu shot, but then insist we come in sick - so what's the real agenda?
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  14. Visit  BlackMurse1 profile page
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    At the hospital I currently work at, you can refuse for personal and religious belief or if you are unable to tolerate the vaccine i.e. allergies to eggs. But, you have to wear a mask with any and all patient contact. I for one think it's ridiculous that so many people in this forum agree with the policy of getting terminated if you don't get the injections. They fired a 20+ year veteran nurse who called in sick 4 times in her career over that. In some institutors they tell nurses you can't smoke, it's ridiculous. Why are people so quick to agree with an agenda that violates your civil rights? This type of complacency is amazing to me.
    You don't even know what they are giving you and you go along and take because they say so. At what point do you think the federal government will cease this type of executive entrapment. You have the right to refuse healthcare, you have the right to refuse emergency care, you have the right to refuse medicine but if you say no to a vaccine, YOUR FIRED. That is 100 % insert dirty word here
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