I had my 1st burn pt and I am fired up mad!!! - page 2

by racing-mom4 15,806 Views | 19 Comments

This may be more of a vent than asking for help, so bare with me while I try and calm down to type this... I work in a small 6 bed rural ICU--about 40 min away from a wonderful burn unit--people come from all over the midwest... Read More


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    Oh dear, it sounds like your fighting a losing battle there. Good job filling in a complaint form it sounds like that's just about all you can do now.


    Meth lab explosions, what was he doing making the stuff with his feet????????

    (sarcasm BTW )
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    Sorry but you made me laugh a little about your response to the explosion? Did the nurse really believed that only his toes where burn if it happens to be a "meth explosion"?

    I guess that patient is hiding something about how he really got that burn...for it's very intriguing!!!
    Anyways, all hospitals wants to show up their abilities that sometimes they wont swallow their prides and keep on saying that they are doing their very best even if the last best that they can give is to swallow their pride and offer a much better way of healing from other specialized hospitals...and mostly nurses are carrying the burden because we see and care for the patient everyday...

    I guess you will just have to pray for a miracle... Just give your best and maybe he will be healed by your prayers and sincere care...

    With God nothing is impossible...
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    First off I will say that this particular patient is lucky to have someone such as yourself that truly cares. I myself decided completely and totally to further my education in medicine after watching my father at age 59 get killed by an area hospital and no one seemed to care not Drs. or nurses.

    They lied to us for months about his condition at first it was he was in a coma then it was maybe there is brain damage maybe there isn't and then they kept asking us about herpes virally and all he had when arriving at the emergency room was a fever. Now thinking back I know it was just a flu and he was incoherent due to the high temp that he had.

    I now have to live with the guilt that if I had of pursued my dream of being a doctor that maybe I could have been able to help my father instead of standing there helplessly and watching him be murdered.

    So kudos to you and thanks for renewing what little faith I had in the medical system.
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    two words......pt advocate!! WOW! Bravo!
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    #1 responders, I did not see where it burned his feet in a meth lab explosion. I believe I read he burned them in the shower as he has neuropathy and couldn't feel them! Thank you.
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    One thing I would have done when I got there was call the person on call for corporate legal/risk management, the house supervisor to get with administrator on call and the medical director. This guy should have been out on an ambulance or helo that night.
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    Did this patient have any other condition or diagnosis other than the burns and diabetes? I had a burn patient on the tele floor and it was his entire back but we had to deal with the underlining issue of cardiac prior to transferring him to a burn unit.
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    Quote from racing-mom4
    This may be more of a vent than asking for help, so bare with me while I try and calm down to type this...

    I work in a small 6 bed rural ICU--about 40 min away from a wonderful burn unit--people come from all over the midwest to this burn unit.

    I work Sat/Sun night, I come in Saturday to be told that one of my patients a young man who is diabetic and has neruopathy of the feet burnt his feet in the shower Weds night. He came to our hosp Thursday after lunch. Blood sugars out of control. placed on insulin gtt.

    So what do I walk in too??? Black toes, red seeping open skin-yellow eschar(sp) that is falling off, blisters that are continuing to appear as the shift goes on---3 days after the original burn, new blisters are still forming?? True. I cant get his fever under 101 even with Vanco/Cleocin(sp) and of course Tyelnol q 4.

    Tx for the burn some zinc cream and gauze. Oh and whirlpool tx daily, that FYI had not been done because the latch on the whirlpool is broke, the whirlpool is up on the extended care unit for the elderly, I dont care how clean you get it, I dont want his feet where someones bed sores were.

    He is not from our state, he came to visit his sister on Tuesday and burnt his feet on Weds. He doesnt know about this burn center---but our Drs do!!!

    So I call the hospitlist who he was assisgned to because he doesnt have a local family doc. Hospitilist refused to admit to me he did not see his feet that day, even though I directly asked him 4x. Did you see his feet? "we need to order a CT of his chest due to the fever" me---he has a fever cause his feet are burnt, did you see his feet today? DR: " you need to run 1 gram vanco every day" me: you wrote an order for him to amubulate halls daily, did you see the feet, he cant walk. Dr: we dont want him to get a DVT. OMG OMG OMG.

    Then I call the surgeon who did the initial debreading. "Hi Dr I am calling about so and so..I just came him and was surprised to see his wounds, did you see his feet today?" At least this guy admits he didnt look, he said "the day nurse said they looked better" ..."the day nurse was an agency nurse, it was her 1st day"...."oh it was the night nurse that told me"...."that was Shelly, Friday was her 1st day back from vacation, she didnt have him the day before" ....."oh ya, it was Mike. Mike told me they looked much better"....."Mike wasnt his nurse, but maybe he assisted with the dressing change, but did you know the toes were black?"...OMG OMG OMG

    Then reading the DRs notes I see one of them had the nerve to write good capillary refill. So I made sure I wrote in the nursing notes, unable to assess cap refil D/T lack of toe nails!!!!

    So here is the deal, we have this guy, now with a 6 day old burn. On both feet, he is not from here, he is diabetic. He has uncontrolled fever and elevated heart rate. And for what ever flippen reason we have these two docs who think they can treat him??? OMG can you see the fire coming out of my eyes???

    So here is what I did, 1st off I told that patient how lucky he was to be in this area as we have a great burn unit located in XYZ city just 40 miles up the road. OK so now he knows to ask...then I went to in house social services and told them the whole story, and they are going to talk to Drs and admin about getting this guy transfered, and I told my ICU Mgr.

    So what do you all think...is it too late for this guy? I dont know the burn lingo, I had one lecture on it in school. The tips of 3 toes were black. under the toes on teh bottom of the feet was yellow, thick and red open. The tops were red open and seeping all ngiht long. New blisters appeared during my 12 hour shift, then the following night Sunday, those blisters opened and are pink. But the thick yellow/ open red and black is what is amazing to me. I bet 50% of both feet top and bottom are open.

    So I am fired up mad, because I am not a burn nurse, this guy needs a burn nurse, and a burn unit, and a whirlpool that works.
    I don't know - without seeing the feet, reading the H&P, nursing notes, his history, etc... but doesn't sound good for his Diabetic feet. Eeek! So glad you stepped in and worked hard for him. Thank you for that. Do you know how many people just sweep that under the rug, and onto the next nurse? Good for you!!!!!!!! Poor guy. No family nearby to talk to either?

    I worked in a rural town ER and a sick sick baby came in - we had a Peds m/s, but no capability for ICU - I told the family that... despite the Pediatrician being adamant we could care for the baby on the floor... the family says "would you ship your baby north to the Peds hospital?" Um, YEAH!!!! Yes, I would. The Pediatrician wondered where the idea came from... hmmmm I wonder who advocated for that baby? Could it be someone who actually cares for the outcome of that child??? Disgusting that someone is worried more about their paycheck, or reputation, than a child's life. Puuullllleeeeaaaasseee.
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    It is great you care for the outcome of your patients. It sounds like he should be at a burn center. The patient has the choice of care also. You told him about the burn center.
    Maybe you could call your local burn center and they can send you the transfer information that can be available for the patients and the Doctors. When you have patients like this - local burn centers are a resourse for you. Feel free to call them with questions. Also - call the Doctors and ask them when they will be on the unit- so you can do the patients dressing at that time for the doctor. One more thing. The whilpool bothers me- you can not clean them, and they should not be used for the burn areas dirty.
    Another resource is the American Burn Association. A transfer agreement is on the site that can be made with your burn center. Also a "White Paper" is posted on basic burn care. You can print it and have it for the docotrs.
    Good luck.
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    Wow, you're such an awesome nurse. I have yet to see someone go as far as you have for the patient.


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