Sympathy strike...would you do it?? - page 5

I belong to a very strong union who is very opinionated. I don't always agree with their stance on things. There is another union who is striking for possible benefit take-aways...I don't know the... Read More

  1. Visit  nightengalegoddess} profile page
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    Naive here. How would the union know whether or not you went to work or not that day? If I weren't on schedule, I'd definetely picket. But if on......this is a spiritual and moral dilemma regarding the lives of humans. It is different than a steel workers type strike. And, does your employer know you are union? If not, will your good-hearted PCP give you a little note that said you had a fever of 103 and you couldn't stop pooping or vomiting? With sulfer burps, after a rare hamburger? Maybe pooping some blood too?
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  3. Visit  nightengalegoddess} profile page
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    PS. I am sure the hospital will hire agency to fill in. Maybe a longer strike would be in order. But before the strike, make sure all agencies in the area are willing to increase rates to something like 120.00/hr. So then, the hospitals will get it where it hurts, wallet.
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  4. Visit  nightengalegoddess} profile page
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    Or whatever twice or thrice the regular rate is. That could be 600.00/hr or something. A union could actually make a hospital go bankrupt. And what if the union could take advantage of THAT?
  5. Visit  mo2rn} profile page
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    Quote from mazy
    As one of those families I am going to thank you for saying this.
    The poster was not implying anything about Nazi or Jews. Its just in relation to this topic and to take it out of context baffles me.Are you guys serious.Several groups of people suffered injustice and ALL THAT IS BEING SAID IS IF YOU STICK TOGETHER ITS BETTER FOR EVERYONE.
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  6. Visit  mo2rn} profile page
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    Quote from mazy
    We're going to end up going way off here and probably need to reel it in, but the creation of scapegoats and abandonment of the "other" were tangential effects of a policy of eugenics, which was a system that promoted the idea of an ideal race, the creation of which would necessitate the extermination of "sub-groups" of individuals whose existence was deemed to be a detriment to the future of humanity. The worst thing about the holocaust was not just that it stemmed from hatred of the other, but that the engine that drove it was fueled on a cold, calculated sense of expediency.

    If you are not willing to support another person's struggle, yes you will also have to pay the consequences and I agree with you 100% in that, which is why I am a union member and support union activities. However, keep in mind that whatever happens in the employment sector, we nurses are not going to be hauled off to the gas chambers in droves until there is no trace of us left on this planet.

    So keep your arguments on topic and on track, the only thing you accomplish by playing into this whole Godwin theory is that the people who might agree with you are just going to get ****** off, roll their eyes, and dismiss you as someone who is so devoid of relevant ideas and strategies to defend your ideals, that you have ot go all the way back to the worst and most extreme moment of history to make your point.

    End rant and over.
    This is very annoying she can make any quotation she chooses and to take it this serious is crazy.Does anyone actually suppose it was a comparison? I think not so to take it personal is going over board
  7. Visit  herring_RN} profile page
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    The sympathy strike is about supporting our colleages. Kaiser is trying to take away sick pay, pensions, and health insurance for LVNs, CNAs, clerks, medical assistants in clinics, lab workers, opticians, and others.

    Yet the CEO was paid $8 million!
    They increased co-pays and premiums for their patients.
    And they made hundreds of million$ in profits.
    But the corporation pays no taxes because they are "not for profit". i think they re-named their profits "excess revenue".

    I think we have to support each other against this greed.

    Video of the strikes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gzx4...layer_embedded#!
    Last edit by herring_RN on Sep 24, '11
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  8. Visit  Chico David RN} profile page
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    Soon after my hospital unionized (2000) I got a lesson about picket lines from an unexpected source. I work in Cardiac Rehab and we have a maintenance program that some patients stay in for years - they become like family. One of our patients had bad lung disease also and had developed a pneumo that just would not reduce. He was in the hospital with a chest tube for weeks. Our bargaining had been going on for almost a year for our first contract. I stopped in to see him one day and he asked me how the bargaining was going ( I was on the team for the nurses). I said it was being pretty hard. He was an old United Mine Workers guy. He said to me: "If you guys strike, someone's going to have to carry me out of here. I've never been on the wrong side of a picket line in my life and I'm not going to start now".
    Pretty much sums up my thinking.

    And by the way: turns out your union was telling the truth right? No lockout after the one day strike.
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  9. Visit  drmorton2b} profile page
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    My union sucks because it is not a nursing union. Sure it's better then nothing. They get a a 2% raise then the union raises it's dues by 6.5%... and then non nursing disciplines totally tie up the bargaining. Some union is better then non. I am glad we can't strike... I can't live off of $50 a week.
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  10. Visit  melsch} profile page
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    Where I live nurses are considered an essential service which means we are not allowed to reduce our numbers below what is considered enough staff to look after the patients. What we have done is work to rule, which means we only do essential jobs - no extra paperwork, no house keeping jobs, no overtime etc. Management can do those jobs until our contract is settled. If another union goes on strike we still have to show up to work, but anyone who is not considered essential (as determined by our union) doesn't cross the picket line, and everyone who is at work refuses to do the work that would be done by the other union.
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  11. Visit  NCalLVN} profile page
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    I wanted to correct the statement that the strike was/is about Kaiser trying to take away benefits from LVN,MA's clerks etc. The strike was/is about supporting a small group that broke away from SEIU-UHW and formed a much smaller union NUHW. SEIU-UHW members (LVN's, MA's, Reception/Clerks, EVS, etc.) have a contract in place that protects wages, medical benefits retirement and working conditions.

    NUHW has not been able to secure a contract since splitting from SEIU-UHW and is using its relationship with CNA to attempt to put pressure on the negotiations. CNA is asking it's RN's to support NUHW in sympathy. I wonder why the relationship between these two unions has not been questioned. Now another one day strike has been scheduled for Jan 31. Most of the RN's I work with opted to come to work last go round and do not support the upcoming one.
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  12. Visit  Chico David RN} profile page
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    Quote from NCalLVN
    I wanted to correct the statement that the strike was/is about Kaiser trying to take away benefits from LVN,MA's clerks etc. The strike was/is about supporting a small group that broke away from SEIU-UHW and formed a much smaller union NUHW. SEIU-UHW members (LVN's, MA's, Reception/Clerks, EVS, etc.) have a contract in place that protects wages, medical benefits retirement and working conditions.

    NUHW has not been able to secure a contract since splitting from SEIU-UHW and is using its relationship with CNA to attempt to put pressure on the negotiations. CNA is asking it's RN's to support NUHW in sympathy. I wonder why the relationship between these two unions has not been questioned. Now another one day strike has been scheduled for Jan 31. Most of the RN's I work with opted to come to work last go round and do not support the upcoming one.
    You may have some sad surprises coming - I just got to listen to the most amazing tape recording - Dave Regan talking to a bunch of local union leaders from SEIU Kaiser just a few days ago. Spinning like mad trying to put a positive interpretation on the fact that SEIU, long before going into bargaining, has already pre-agreed with Kaiser to accept cuts in health care benefits. Making statements like "We have to help Kaiser be more competitive" and a whole lot of talk about "we need to be a 21st century union" - which in SEIU speak means "a union that makes backroom deals with management instead of standing up for its members". He was trying mightily to put lipstick on that pig, but it's still a pig. Kaiser worked very hard - and illegally - to help SEIU win that last election, and this is the payback they are getting in return - of course they wanted a tame union that wouldn't bite back, and they knew just where to find one.
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  13. Visit  anniv91106} profile page
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    Quote from Chico David RN
    You may have some sad surprises coming - I just got to listen to the most amazing tape recording - Dave Regan talking to a bunch of local union leaders from SEIU Kaiser just a few days ago. Spinning like mad trying to put a positive interpretation on the fact that SEIU, long before going into bargaining, has already pre-agreed with Kaiser to accept cuts in health care benefits. Making statements like "We have to help Kaiser be more competitive" and a whole lot of talk about "we need to be a 21st century union" - which in SEIU speak means "a union that makes backroom deals with management instead of standing up for its members". He was trying mightily to put lipstick on that pig, but it's still a pig. Kaiser worked very hard - and illegally - to help SEIU win that last election, and this is the payback they are getting in return - of course they wanted a tame union that wouldn't bite back, and they knew just where to find one.
    Are these pre-agreements known as "memos of understandings" and will incorporate into the next contract?

    Don't forget there is a process to address corrupt unions. Sometimes you have to stand up to them before you can stand up for them.
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  14. Visit  Genista} profile page
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    I find this topic very interesting and relevant, as I am a member of the large nurses union which is holding the sympathy strike next week. I am also very pro union, but not sure if I am in agreement with the sympathy strike. The other problem for me is I am the sole bread winner for a family of four and striking for a day will be a financial hit. I know there is a bigger picture here, but wish I could have been included in discussions on whether or not to participate in a sympathy strike. I can't in good conscious cross a picket line. At the same time, I just want to go in and work that day.I hope to talk to a union rep at work in the next day or two. I am feeling frustrated by the drama of it all. I have been a union member for almost my entire career, but this union is new to me.
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