Doctoral Preparation of Nurse Anesthetists

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I wasn't offended by the midlevel provider comment. Though crna's are not midlevel providers, that kind of implies we don't have the full scope of practice or we are dependant on a higher level of provider. Our scope of practice is the same as MDA's. And we aren't required to have a MDA to practice.

I can understand why most people don't know this, unless it effects a person directly; they really have no need to know. I think it is part of crna's job to educate others about this. Most people just assume that a physician can do more in the practice of anesthesia than a crna; just because they are a physician. In actuallity all they can do that we can't is practice in another field besides anesthesia.

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I've read on the other sites that anesthesiologists don't like being referred to as MDAs, lol.

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I would have no problem not calling them that, the entire group I work with refer to themselves as mda's. I

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See! Everything is relative.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.

This is my question. There are many, many CRNA programs based in schools that do not have a nursing department. Between MN and WI there are 5 CRNA program and only one (the university of MN) is based in a school that even has a nursing department. Our one CRNA program here in Wisconsin doesn't grant any nursing degrees at all and the school has no nursing department. CRNAs graduate with an MS in biology.

SO how are all those CRNA programs going to start granting DNPs if they don't have a nursing department? Will they all have to get rid of their CRNA programs?

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
It isn't just nursing it is most/all of previously master prepared health professions (pharmacists, OT/PT/ST etc.) that are going to doctoral degrees.

*** As my mom used to say: "If all your friends jumped off a cliff would you?"

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This is my question. There are many, many CRNA programs based in schools that do not have a nursing department. Between MN and WI there are 5 CRNA program and only one (the university of MN) is based in a school that even has a nursing department. Our one CRNA program here in Wisconsin doesn't grant any nursing degrees at all and the school has no nursing department. CRNAs graduate with an MS in biology.

SO how are all those CRNA programs going to start granting DNPs if they don't have a nursing department? Will they all have to get rid of their CRNA programs?

Which school in Wisconsin? I'd like to read about it. I'd rather have an MS in Bio than nursing.

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Specializes in CRNA.
CRNAs graduate with an MS in biology.

SO how are all those CRNA programs going to start granting DNPs if they don't have a nursing department? Will they all have to get rid of their CRNA programs?

Good question, they have the option of granting a practice doctorate in another focus than nursing. The first nurse anesthesia program in the US to grant a practice doctorate is in West Virginia and grants a Doctor of Management Practice in Nurse Anesthesia (DMPNA)Many programs that currently grant a MS in Nurse Anesthesia will grant a Doctorate of Nurse Anesthesia Practice (DNAP). Actually the nurse anesthesia programs in nursing departments may have a more difficult time surviving in some cases. Although AACN has a position that all APNs are educated at the Practice Doctorate level, the accreditors are not following along-just like the position that all RNs graduate with a BSN, the accreditors didn't follow and ADNs are still graduated in large numbers. Nurse anesthesia programs housed along side NP programs are money makers because they share the core courses, but what if the NP program doesn't want to start granting a DNP? The nurse anesthesia program must by 2022, but the NP program does not. So.... do you spend the extra money getting qualified, doctorally prepared faculty just for the nurse anesthesia program? Could cause some instability if the only goal is to make money.

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This is my question. There are many, many CRNA programs based in schools that do not have a nursing department. Between MN and WI there are 5 CRNA program and only one (the university of MN) is based in a school that even has a nursing department. Our one CRNA program here in Wisconsin doesn't grant any nursing degrees at all and the school has no nursing department. CRNAs graduate with an MS in biology.

SO how are all those CRNA programs going to start granting DNPs if they don't have a nursing department? Will they all have to get rid of their CRNA programs?

Those programs will offer a DNAP. They are more focused on anesthesia/physiology, other sciences. It is for the schools who currently offer advanced degrees outside of nursing schools. MNA, MS, etc. The straight DNP is for MSN CRNA's.

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What do you think about the doctorate of management for nurse anesthetist practice that CAMC is offering. Is it equivalent to the DNAP? Will it be a desirable degree? I have applied to this program and find out soon if I am accepted. I am just apprehensive about the DMNAP. I have my bsn so the majority of schools I have applied for are masters degrees. Do you think the DMNAP will be a degree that is frowned upon and difficult to obtain employment? This is a hard topic to get input towards so I appreciate your time for the response.

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Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
What do you think about the doctorate of management for nurse anesthetist practice that CAMC is offering. Is it equivalent to the DNAP? Will it be a desirable degree? I have applied to this program and find out soon if I am accepted. I am just apprehensive about the DMNAP. I have my bsn so the majority of schools I have applied for are masters degrees. Do you think the DMNAP will be a degree that is frowned upon and difficult to obtain employment? This is a hard topic to get input towards so I appreciate your time for the response.

*** I have a good friend and mentor who is a CRNA. He doesn't have any degree at all, not even an associates degree. He has a dimploma in nursing and went to a certificate CRNA program back in (I think) the early 80's. He is very much in demand and recruiters call him all the time for jobs. I wouldn't worry about the degree you have making it hard to find a job is you are a skilled CRNA.

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Specializes in CRNA, Law, Peer Assistance, EMS.

Following their implementation of the MS requirement for advanced practice nurses, the american association of colleges of nursing (AACN) is the body who proposed, developed, approved and implemented the new DNP requirement and curriculum. The AACN outlines in detail their thought process, the developmental history and the curriculum, etc. in a document that can be found HERE.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48461119/AACN-Development-of-the-DNP-for-APNs

I also tried to embed the document here in a viewer but do not think the code is working.

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