Attention NC Residents

[NCgirl]

Okay guys, here we go again. We're the latest state in which the MDA's are trying to restrict our practice, as well as make it legal for AA's to work here. A bill is currently being introduced into the NC legislature titled "NC Anesthesia Patient Safety and Access Act." I don' t know all the details, but it's my basic understanding that the NCASA is trying to make it seem that we need more supervision, that anesthesia needs to be provided by someone whom they can have more control over. Their proposed solution is AA's. I know in other states it's hard to tell the difference b/t an AA and CRNA within an anesthesia dept. This act makes it seem as if MDA's will be constantly over an AA's shoulder. It attempts to call us as CRNA's unsafe, in not so many words. It also says there is a shortage of anesthesia providers, despite the fact we've increased to FIVE anesthesia schools in our state alone. This bill is a DIRECT ATTACK on our profession, and we will all regret it if it passes!!!

So here's what you need to do. If possible, visit or send a letter to your NC state representative and senator. (from your county or district). You can find this out by going to http://www.ncleg.net and either entering your zip code or voter's registration number. Once you find out who your legislator's are, at the VERY LEAST give them a call. Here is a sample of what to say:" Hello, my name is _______ and I am a CRNA (or CRNA student) in your voting district. I'm calling to ask that you NOT support the NC anesthesia pt safety and access act. My contact information is ______, and I would be happy to give you or your staff more information regarding this recently proposed bill."

Even if you're not into politics, just consider this: if this passes and AA's come into NC, we will no longer be in as much demand and your salary will eventually go down. Maybe money will motivate you to call if simply supporting the profession of nurse anesthesia isn't enough.

So, before all the AA's on here flame me, just chill out. This act basically says you guys are incompetent without an MDA holding your hand. Be pi**ed at me if you want, but I'm just trying to protect my future profession and career.

If anyone wants more info, visit the NCANA website. Thanks!

[SleepyRN2B]

Just a note... this bill is sponsored by a real estate appraiser, home builder, and what a suprise a MD. I hope the AANA pushes money into NC to see these so an so's defeated in the next election.

[SCmomof3, RN]

Subbing to look further into this, as I am aspiring to CRNA in the future!

[Maxs]

If there are 25000 CRNA's and 92 outstanding CRNA schools, then why aren't all the CRNA's taking action? After all this is their career. The salary of all the CRNA's combined per year can roughly be more or less than $3375000000.00 dollars. Yet, you hustle the ones that make three to four times less than you. In my opinion, getting as many CRNA's from the nation involved can evoke a better response, politics costs a lot of money-bottom line. All you have to defend is a bill being supported by three people. If CRNA's do not take action, well then they can compensate their careers for it. It is really confusing trying to side with either parties because we all know the party that wants this bill passed is using patient safety as an easy scapegoat. On the other hand, the CRNA's do not want to be put in a state where a law's intention and it is literal meaning are can be interchanged. Is this fair? Heck No. In the world of business, there are always going to be competitors. And getting rid of your competitors is not the best solution to the problem. What CRNA's need to do is hire outstanding lawyers and boil the water to its gas phase (compete back). CRNA's provide 70% of the anesthesia in the United States. However, the other 30% (MDA's, AA's) are seeking control over the majority. Logically that does not make a lot of sense, but maybe this is because it's a female dominant field (no offense). Take actions, not only write to your legislators. For example, could you imagine what would happen if 70% of anesthesia cut down in one day. That'll make everyone furious because nobody wants to undergo that knife with all the pain and there's no possible way MDA's can cover up for the loss at once. To win a battle, you have to hit your enemy where it hurts the most. If you feel your not being treated right, then make threats, warn your enemies, if none of that works, you take action. CRNA's maybe making a lot of money today, but if they're greedy with their money then, they can kiss their careers gradually good bye. TAKE ACTION !

My 0.02

Maxs

[jwk]

All you have to defend is a bill being supported by three people.

It's being supported by a lot more than three people.

[Maxs]

I don't see the logic and the reason behind this bill. JWK, let's be fair to the females, your saying pass this bill without hesitation. Perhaps it's clear that i it pains you to practice under an MDA while CRNA's can function independently. If this bill is passed, it's just an exaggeration of the same conditions to you. You have to understand that these CRNA's will undergo through a major transformation. I call this bill simply "Bully" because your saying a nurse is indicated in title and it must be a sign of danger or incompetent. Let me rephrase what I said, show me or bring any evidence/research that suggests MDA's are safer than CRNA's. After all this is a matter of safety and forget the space fillers and the personal attacks. In order for me to believe in this bill, I want you to show me the neccessity of an MDA being present. You can even pull out researches or whatever. However, I can pull out how MDA's used to be unsafe by using the drugs themselves or being drug addicts, which is another whole topic. We both know this bill is unneccessary and It's for the sake of your master aka an MDA trying to secure their positions, but the outcome can be nasty. Here's a question I want you to answer to the best of your knowledge, what would happen if CRNA's left north carolina? What would happen than? Are you going to duplicate like bacteria with animal genes? face it, if MDA's fade, you fade along with them. To the best interest of the public, it's about competent and affordable, and that defines CRNA's because an equation has to be balanced from both ends. So, if it was up to me, there is no need for MDA's. They charge like heck and still do the same job, they feel threatened because of the CRNA rise, but if CRNA's were just politically as smart, by now, they would have pushed or migrated MDA's back to their orginal tags or MD's.

Maxs

[jwk]

I don't see the logic and the reason behind this bill. JWK, let's be fair to the females, your saying pass this bill without hesitation. Perhaps it's clear that i it pains you to practice under an MDA while CRNA's can function independently. If this bill is passed, it's just an exaggeration of the same conditions to you. You have to understand that these CRNA's will undergo through a major transformation. I call this bill simply "Bully" because your saying a nurse is indicated in title and it must be a sign of danger or incompetent. Let me rephrase what I said, show me or bring any evidence/research that suggests MDA's are safer than CRNA's. After all this is a matter of safety and forget the space fillers and the personal attacks. In order for me to believe in this bill, I want you to show me the neccessity of an MDA being present. You can even pull out researches or whatever. However, I can pull out how MDA's used to be unsafe by using the drugs themselves or being drug addicts, which is another whole topic. We both know this bill is unneccessary and It's for the sake of your master aka an MDA trying to secure their positions, but the outcome can be nasty. Here's a question I want you to answer to the best of your knowledge, what would happen if CRNA's left north carolina? What would happen than? Are you going to duplicate like bacteria with animal genes? face it, if MDA's fade, you fade along with them. To the best interest of the public, it's about competent and affordable, and that defines CRNA's because an equation has to be balanced from both ends. So, if it was up to me, there is no need for MDA's. They charge like heck and still do the same job, they feel threatened because of the CRNA rise, but if CRNA's were just politically as smart, by now, they would have pushed or migrated MDA's back to their orginal tags or MD's.

Maxs

First - paragraphs are your friend.

You've read a lot into my posts that I simply haven't said. Have I mentioned females? Nope. Have I said pass this bill without hesitation? Nope. I might think it, but I haven't said it. Of course I'm sure you think it should be defeated without hesitation, so that's really kind of a stupid argument to go with anyway.

Let's see - drug use by anesthesia providers - I wasn't aware this was just an MD problem. It happens with CRNA's and AA's as well. There goes that argument.

Half of the bill (dealing with CRNA's and supervision) seems to be moot, since the NC Supreme Court just affirmed that concept. There goes that argument.

MDA's are not my massah - sorry to disappoint you.

Somehow I don't think all the CRNA's would leave NC. "What if" is a stupid game to play. There goes that argument.

Will MDA's fade? Nope. 70% of anesthetics involve CRNA's. 70% also involve MD's, either alone, or in care team practices.

It's about competition. Simple as that.

[deepz]

....70% of anesthetics involve CRNA's. 70% also involve MD's, either alone, or in care team practices...........

In your Massahs' dreams, 70%. Maybe 70% in Georgia, but then we all know what an abberation that State is.

deepz

[jwk]

In your Massahs' dreams, 70%. Maybe 70% in Georgia, but then we all know what an abberation that State is.

deepz

So you're telling me that 70% of all the anesthetics in this country are administered by CRNA's acting on their own without any involvement of an anesthesiologist?

[deepz]

So you're telling me that 70% of all the anesthetics in this country are administered by CRNA's acting on their own without any involvement of an anesthesiologist?

Read what I wrote.

[jwk]

read what i wrote.

i read well, thank you.

let's try this again:

certified registered nurse anesthetists (crnas) are anesthesia professionals who administer approximately 65% of all anesthetics given to patients each year in the united states.

straight from the aana website. so tell me - how many of these anesthetics are administered by a crna, on their own, with no involvement of an anesthesiologist?

[URgettingsleepy]

Please, please quit responding to JWK maybe he will go away.

I have said it before for every one worthwhile thing he posts on allnurses.com

he posts twice as many flames on CRNA's on Studendoctor.net

UR

[jwk]

Please, please quit responding to JWK maybe he will go away.

I have said it before for every one worthwhile thing he posts on allnurses.com

he posts twice as many flames on CRNA's on Studendoctor.net

UR

OK, quote me one.