patient ratio

  1. 0 hi everyone,

    i was hoping to get some input about staffing ratio's. i work on a cardiac pcu. we have dopamine/dobutrex drips, cardizem, ntg, lidocaine and the like. we have no lpn's - a tele tech, unit secretary, and 2 techs for 24 pts or 3 techs if more than 30 pts. most days as a rn we are assigned 7 pts. i just feel so overwhelmed. i am a new nurse and just can't seem to wrap my head around 7 pts that are going for stress tests, direct admits, post surgical overflow sometimes, er admits, cath patients, and everything that goes into taking care of 7 patients. any ideas???
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    **LaurelRN has '6' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'Open Heart ICU'. From 'Sunny Florida'; 42 Years Old; Joined Jan '08; Posts: 94; Likes: 88.

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  4. Visit  Michifura profile page
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    Wow, and I thought the PCU where I work was bad!

    I am in a cardio-thoracic surgical PCU so just like you we have drips, cabg pts with chest tubes and pacer wires, lung pts with chest tubes and pca pumps, s/p pacemakers/aicd placements, cath lab pts, etc.

    Our unit has two pods each pod can hold 15 pts; we staff each pod with 1 NA, 1 HUS, and 4 Nurses (day and night). Three nurses get 4 patients and one nurse will be team leader and gets 3 patients and will act as the pod's go to nurse, does assignments as pts are being transferred in and assigns the night nurses, etc.

    Take Care.
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  5. Visit  smcabee profile page
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    4 to 1 Rn to patient ratio Max 5-1 on days and 5-1 max 6-1 on nights. NO exceptions unless absolutely necessary, we will hold patients or close beds if necessary. We normally have 2-3 techs and 1-2 us on days and 2 techs, 1 us on nights with a dedicated 3 team cct team.

    I work in a 24 bed tele unit we take a little bit of everything except post surgical unless ther is absolutely no other room.
    Last edit by smcabee on Oct 27, '08
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  6. Visit  Spatialized profile page
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    First thought? Run. Run away. 7 patients in that environment is not safe. Plain and simple, not safe.

    In our IMCU we run 3:1 primary, no techs with much of the same stuff, plus we pull arterial and venous sheaths on post-intervention/angio folks. Our PCU runs 4:1 with 2 CNAs. One tele tech covers both units.

    Our motto has become, "if they've got a heart, they come to us!"

    Good luck!
    Tom
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  7. Visit  carrie13 profile page
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    My unit has 25 tele beds and 6 PCU beds. Tele is a 4:1 ratio with 2 aides and 1-2 secretaries. PCU is a 3:1 ratio with 1 aide and no secretary although the tele secretary will help out if she has time. The PCU nurses also watch the monitors. There are 2 PCU nurses on every shift and each has to watch the monitors for their own 3 patients plus the monitors for half of the tele patients.
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  8. Visit  ghostchili profile page
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    Quote from Spatialized
    First thought? Run. Run away. 7 patients in that environment is not safe. Plain and simple, not safe.
    Seriously. 7:1 with multiple drips and what sounds like barely-stable cardiac patients? The most we have here is 4:1, and those are on the medicine & surgery stepdown units. ICU here is 1:1.

    I agree with the quoted poster--run far away. :/
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  9. Visit  Virgo_RN profile page
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    36 bed cardiac interventional unit, 4 to 1 patient/nurse ratio, with 4 aides that split the unit.
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  10. Visit  ivorybunny profile page
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    I work on a 52 unit bed cardiac monitoring floor. We can have drips as long as they are not titrated. We are 6:1 and only in emergency 7:1. At night we have 4 techs with 13pts a piece to help us. However, we have one monitor tech to watch 52 patients. And that makes me nervous at times.
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  11. Visit  al7139 profile page
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    Hi,
    I am on a Telemetry/medicine unit (although we are primarily cardiac). On days and evenings we are at a 5-6:1 ratio with 4-6 NA. 2 monitors. We do not titrate drips based on protocols EXCEPT for Heparin drips, although we do have patients on Cardizem, Amio, Milrinone, Lasix, Integrilin, etc. They are stable, and titration based on protocol is not necessary, except for weight based changes.
    Our PCU has a ratio of 4:1 and they do titrate and also have electrolyte replacement orders that they do. Our ICU has an ideal ratio of 2:1, with the occasional 3:1, and they also have their own monitor, MD, and do lots more with drip titration, etc, than any other unit.
    Having floated to PCU and tasked in our ICU, I could not imagine having 7 patients with high risk drips that you need to titrate. I would be scared for my sanity (and my license!). I have been on my unit since I graduated last year, and still have days when I can't keep up, and we are a less acute unit.
    Hopefully you have a good staff to go to for help, and if you don't consider a medsurg floor for a while to get your feet wet with less high risk patients.
    Amy
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  12. Visit  julzhere profile page
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    Hmmm. Not a big fan of Florida anyway (no offense) and have no desire to work there, and seeing the nurse to patient ratio makes me realize another reason why I don't want to work there. Way to high and not safe, especially on a cardiac unit. Good luck to you RNs in Florida, and the patients too.
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  13. Visit  gradRN2007 profile page
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    get over the florida thing........sorry i keep getting emails from "why would anyone want to live in florida" have been here 43 years and love it but that is a different forum
    I work in a level 1 trauma center 4:1 "closed unit"no floating ever!. if you have IMCU patients its 3:1. the heart surgical unit is at the end of our unit and they have 8 beds...we don't float there but they are available for questions, codes and since we get there post op patients POD 1 or 2, the RN will come see the patient to say hi and see how they are doing. The regular ICU units are 2:1 or 1:1 depending on the patients...
    There are tele floors that have 1:5 or 1:7 ratio but I don't work there as a new RN of 2 years but all floors have monitor techs and on my floor there are 4 nurses, one charge nurse, and one pca after 2300, one pca is 3-11 shift..great floor, everyone helps one another and we have drips, titrations, IMCU but more caridac now than anything else...the docs love our unit and if they are a patient they come to us..I had two docs as patients last week and several weeks before the father of the chief of staff...always fun, always busy and I love my job in florida...starting the weekend shift for $10 more an hour for 13 weeks! (that is $700 more every 2 weeks!)only on nights which i love...I would not do a 7-1 ratio on any floor, good luck to anyone that can............
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  14. Visit  pincush23 profile page
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    Quote from laurelrn08
    hi everyone,

    i was hoping to get some input about staffing ratio's. i work on a cardiac pcu. we have dopamine/dobutrex drips, cardizem, ntg, lidocaine and the like. we have no lpn's - a tele tech, unit secretary, and 2 techs for 24 pts or 3 techs if more than 30 pts. most days as a rn we are assigned 7 pts. i just feel so overwhelmed. i am a new nurse and just can't seem to wrap my head around 7 pts that are going for stress tests, direct admits, post surgical overflow sometimes, er admits, cath patients, and everything that goes into taking care of 7 patients. any ideas???
    i'm there with you!!! except no unit sec or lpn, and only 1 cna for 30 beds in a teaching hospital...2nd job coming for med/surg icu of one year...its crazy!!! i feel you pain!!! the icu is more manageable for me since i started out there...every 4 hour assessments head to toe/measuring all cardiac strip intervals q 4hrs in cardiac tele is too much...just a couple of things to mention...
    aloha and good luck to all!
  15. Visit  bushbeater profile page
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    As a nurse outside the US, could you tell me the role of these unfamiliar terms:
    tech, LPN, aid, CNA, NA and a HUS? Ta


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