Aesthetics Nursing - page 15
by NurseKimberley 179,906 Views | 198 Comments
Hi all-- I am really interested in the medical aesthetics thing--botox, stuff like that. Anybody know where I can get trained? I live in Colorado, by the way. THANKS :p... Read More
- 0Dec 5, '08 by CandiceHollyHello All!
I am a new member and cardiac nurse seeking aesthetic RN training. I'm currently being "trained" in my friend's cosmetic surg office in So Cal, but looking for a certification course. Anyone interested in venturing to a course with me? Training can be costly, especially with travel. Some institutes may offer group discounts . . . or cut costs by sharing a room with a fellow RN =) Sorry gents, must room with a female . . . my fiance would be disturbed if I met up with a young buck.
- 0Jan 15, '09 by Sonia1818Quote from healthyhereThank you so much for the wealth if info you provided on how to get into the aesthetic nursing field. I too am a recent BSN graduate and am very interested the Medispa business. I'm interested in getting some experience/exposure by working PT in a medispa but am having a tough time finding websites that post aesthetic nursing positions. Are the any particular sites that you recommend or keywords that I should use when searching for such positions? Live in So Cal and there are plenty of medispas around here. Where do these medispas solicit their job openings?As im reading each post on this thread I want to respond & give helpful advice that will benefit you professional and financially in your quest to get into the aesthetic side of medicine!
Instead I will simply begin by stating a couple things (and later be happy to keep answering the other questions).
* Paying for aesthetic training on lasers & actual cosmetology type procedures is the wrong focus for an RN! Once employeed, training will be provided on lasers & equipment by the manufacturer or your employer. The only type of training that would even benefit you before getting your first aesthetic med position, is possibly injectables. Which if you are an experienced RN & have a knack for the needle.. this will be a breeze. Contacting the manufurer of these injectables to seek treatment is a great source. Allergan (maker of botox) is based in SoCal but has offices throughout the U.S.
*Before deciding to BE YOUR OWN BOSS with a medspa set up, first gain experience by working at one - hands on training/experience is the best way. If unsure of the BUSINESS aspect, hiring a consultant to assist you in developing your new business is not a bad idea!
*Each State has different regulations when it comes to aesthetics and what is "medical" and who can do what. You, as an RN, want to stick with the MEDICAL (more $$) portion of this industry as opposed to becoming aestheticians or learning how to do $50 facials and applying makeup!!! YOUR MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ALREADY - LETS NOT HAVE YOU DOWNGRADE WHEN YOU HAVE THE LICENSE ALREADY TO DO THE MORE PROFITABLE PROCEDURES!!
* An RN inexperienced in aesthetic medical procedures that can SELL me on her self during an interview, will be the one that Im confident will be able to promote and sell the clinics treatments, not just do them! Youre an RN, so a hiring manager know's youre capable of treating their patients safely after training... BUT CAN YOU SELL WHAT YOUR ADMINISTERING? Its a key skill that alot of you are overlooking and what will be the difference in your future success in Aesthetic medicine. So if youre confident to go into an interview with no formal aesthetic training, no actual aesthetic experience, yet you KNOW you are perfect to do these procedures and you want everyone to have them done!!!! Then youre more qualified than the person who went to a class to learn about facials and a good company or clinic will hire you - AS IS!! AS AN EXPERIENCED RN - NOT AESTHETICIAN!
I could go on and on ... lol
I've interviewed plenty of nurses for these positions some of you seek and I've consultanted and trained many who have branched out on their own. I truely wish you all well...
and the best advice i can give in general is for you to be COST affective with your sesires for "training on procedures" . Alot get it for free so you spending your money on it and not having much left over for your marketing needs - THAT IS A BIG MISTAKE when opening your own.
For those who simply seek employment - GO APPLY WITH CONFIDENCE
Those starting their own company - hire a consultant, even if just for a day as opposed to fully (to keep cost down) and get the info you need to start RIGHT! Its a competitive business, you dont want to fail before you've even begun.
I'LL BE BACK SOON TO ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS.
In the meantime, you can find info on your state's government, commerce or health department webpage on legalities.
Another no cost source is the manufacturers you are buying your equipment from!! They're very helpful before & during the potential sales process ;-) And if they really like you they'll get you in touch with the right info and people. Note: ive done pro-bono consulting after reps begged me to help their customers whom they felt were not going to succeed due to lack of knowledge.
So use them, especially if you're gonna buy things from them.
If you really dont know where to tart, just let me know where youre looking to work, what your questions are and i'll do my best to point you in the right, least costly direction.
Have a grea day.
OH, JUST IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING:
** My current career (that i'll be putting on pause to seek a nursing degree this fall) is as a national Medical Aesthetic Management Consultant, specializing in medical business development, training, marketing, support and consultative sales training.
- 0Feb 16, '09 by thekidis this thread still active? I am hoping to reinstate my nursing license in Arizona after a 8 year hiatus (started my own business, non-nursing related). Right now I live in Hawaii and may have an opportunity to work at a medspa but we will eventually be moving to Arizona. Am hoping the experience in Hawaii helps but would love any extra info about Phoenix/Arizona area. I'm finding quite a few dermatologists, plastic surgeons, and medspas.
- 0Feb 16, '09 by cedarjenI have been a lisenced esthetician for 10 yrs. You definitely don't need your rn to do medical skincare and laser hair removal.
I'm getting my rn so I can hopefully, work with a board certified surgeon. My goal is to volunteer for operation smile.
Skincare is fun and great money after 2-5 yrs of building clientele.
- 0Mar 16, '09 by fawnsternurseWow. I am very glad that I was directed to this thread by willitblend.
I have a lot of questions and thoughts running through my mind right at this moment. But I am also appreciative of much of the dialogue and information presented on this thread and will start to do my own investigation into this.
I am currently in NYC but heading down to NC and will be on a travel assignement. During this time I will be taking a Nurse estethician course.
I did notice in NYC many places are looking to hire nurses for their practice in this area.
Hey there is no shame in my game! LOL
I will gladly at this time work normal hours in a medical spa type place VS what I have been doing!
- 0May 4, '09 by PJ rnSaw your post and am transitioning from wound care into aesthetics. In nursing for over 24 years, and have developed and managed seven busy wound clinics. Just wondering how your practice is going with the inclusion of aesthetics. We (physician and myself) are considering adding medical wt loss to help feed the aesthetic side. Would love to hear from you if still in the forum.
- 2May 20, '09 by Got Botox?I'm with National Laser Institute in Scottsdale, AZ. We train nurses from all over the states in Botox, Dermal Fillers etc... I'm surrounded by nurses entering/working in this industry everyday. The best advice I can give a nurse wanting to enter Medical Aesthetics is 1) Get to know the regulations in your state because they are forever changing, or consider commuting to a nearby state that is in driving distance where you can practice. 2) Create a plan for youself, whether to co-locate with a medical director, rent out an office in an OB/GYN facility or PP, travel contract or the bravest of all, start your own business. Its all about securing a location and building up your clientelle. 3) Go get the training. Wherever you decided to get the training, just make sure that the school is credible, the instructors are experienced, the technology they have is top-notch and the hands-on portion is abundant. A lot of nurses opt for the 1 or 2 day conferences and we see them all the time, not being able to acquire a job because the hands-on training was too little or not personalized enough. Employers are going to want someone with cosmetic injection experience. 4) Get to know the specialty from a business standpoint, after all, it is a cash operating industry. Look for a school with a business or marketing course that can lay out a good foundation for you to start with.
Hope this helps!
- 1May 21, '09 by thekidThank you for the info so far, would you recommend that a RN go thru the basic 600 hour esthetician course (if no previous experience with derm care) or go straight for the para-medical advanced training? I've seen many esty schools offer both the basic programs that are about 600 hours and start with basic care..and many also offer what they call the medical-esty coursework that is a series of modules, that cover dermal/botox, facial peels, hair removal, etc.
In your opinion should nurses who want to break into this field go thru the basic training first , or go for the advanced portion?
I think there are many options open to nurses in this area..the plastic surgeon that I know personally does everything from surgical procedures like implants, lipo, etc and also has a medical spa that does advanced skin care. He employs estheticians for the basic facial work..as a nurse obviously I would prefer to use the extra schooling I've had to do more advanced procedures. His nurses are responsible for pre and post op care, and pre-surg screening/physicals. I talked with his nurse and the job is cake
- 3May 21, '09 by Got Botox?Dear thekid,
That's a good question, and one that I hear a lot! Ok, let me try and break it down for you without any biased opinions, because National Laser Institute does not offer the regular aestheticians course (we are strictly CE/CME advanced clinical medical aesthetics for nurses and physicians) and I don't want to steer you away from you're own decision.
1) If an RN, NP or PA would like to become certified as an Aesthetician and go through the typical 4-6 months of schooling in addition to core training for advanced medical aesthetics (botox, fillers, laser), that's wonderful! That decision is purely a matter of preference, time and money... not a matter of becoming more qualified or educated to perform cosmetic injections or laser skin services.
2) The preference that I speak of deals with what you are to be using that additional schooling for, because what one will be learning throughout the 600 hours of aesthetic training is quite different from what one will be learning in an advanced clinical medical aesthetics course. Both teach modalities related to skin, tissue, muscle and hair... however, the 600 hour regular aestheticians course will relay it to facials, tissue massage, facial waxing, exfoliants, extractions, lyphatic massage drainage, steaming, history of aesthetics, skincare etc... If you want to learn these techniques, that's great, just make sure that you will be performing them at your job. On the flip side, the advanced medical aesthetics course will relay it to skin interaction with lasers or intense pulse light machines, muscle/tissue response to botulinum type A or hyaluronic acid fillers, skin conditions treatable by these modalities, correct laser settings for different skin types/conditions, dilution ccs of botox/fillers for different facial creases, folds, wrinkles, etc...
3) Please be cautious and really research any program that offers a 600-700hr course on BOTH regular aesthetics (waxing, facials, skincare, product) and clinical medical aesthetics (botox, filler, laser, IPL). There is no way one course can give you all that you need to learn for safe practice of both modalities. Basically, it takes all 600ish hours to complete a regular aestheticians course - pretty intense and worth it if thats what you want. Most times, if they tag in medical aesthetics, its usually at the end, or in spurts, and not fully dedicated to. In order to truly learn and safely perform botox, fillers, laser, IPL treatments, I recommend a complete comprehensive course in just that. Again, go anywhere you want to go, but just make sure you do the research and drill away with questions before signing a check. Get the best training for the safety of your clients and the protection of yourself!
4) The money talk! And its really difficult NOT to give biased opinions here because its just plain old fact. It takes, what... I think around 30-45-60 minutes to get a solid facial which starts around $50 and can go as high as $200 in exclusive resorts or spas. It takes 5 minutes to facial wax or 20 min to leg wax, but the cost is around $15-50. It takes 10-15 minutes to inject botox. Botox costs the provider about $400 a vial with 100 units in each vial. A good provider who DOES NOT overdilute Botox with saline (correct amount 2.5 cc) can treat 2-4 areas of the face. The average cost of Botox is $12-15 per unit. The average person requires 35-45 units per treatment. The same with lasers, which although the machines are expensive (buying is rough, leasing is better, getting in somewhere that already has them is the best), the cost of typical laser/IPL treatments, Photofacials, laser hair removal, Fractional Laser wrinkle reduction can be anywhere from $500-2,000. The cost to revenue to time ratio is huge.
5) A lot of my nurses and physicians who want the regular aesthetician training as well as the advanced clinical medical aesthetic training, opt to the advanced clinical medical aesthetic training first. Most good courses for a comprehensive background in this will be 7-14 days. That way, they get classroom and hands-on training botox, fillers, laser, IPL, and can go out and work somewhere part-time or contract part-time to still make money while they go on to take the 600 hour aestheticians course.
I hope this helps. Again, a decision based on preference, time and money.Last edit by Got Botox? on May 21, '09 : Reason: adding greeting