US to UK transition, pls help. - page 2
by hilife_RN 7,945 Views | 45 Comments
Hello everyone! I'm a RN (BSN) here in the US and would like to come to work in the UK. I've been a medical/surgical nurse for 1.5 yrs, and planning on taking the IELTS in October. I was just curious, what kind of nursing... Read More
- 1Nov 28, '11 by DavidFRQuote from babyRN.This was my experience of the NMC recently when I needed information, and I'm both British and British trained.Not everyone who answers the phone knows what they're talking about. It sounds like they have some folks who are just paid to answer the phone with very basic information, reading off a page. Because things the decision officer have told me have sharply contradicted what they have told me.
In days gone by the NMC, or rather the UKCC which preceeded it, used to be staffed by efficient people, often nurses/ex-nurses who all knew what the deal was and could give accurate information out when needed. It seems the "new, improved" NMC went over to call centre type people, doubtless cheaper, who seem to read pre-printed speeches and don't actually even listen to the questions being asked of them. I needed proof of my years of registration and practice to go onto a higher salary scale with my French employer, and due to NMC misinformation I paid them money for totally the wrong document. As a result I got shirty and insisted I speak to someone senior. Voilą - I was miraculously put on to somebody who knew what they were doing and gave the correct information, following it up in writing and following through with the correct document I needed.
My advice is that if you get conflicting information, be assertive and say you've been given exactly that, and that you insist on speaking to a manager/somebody in authority. Sadly the phone answerers seem only to be able to deal with routine UK registration requests. Anything from "abroad" and hence out of the box tends to throw them.
Good luck. I hope you all make it.
- 1Nov 30, '11 by babyRN.The folks at the NMC told me they got all my info about 3 weeks ago and said the decision usually takes 5-7 weeks, although I think they can have up to 3 months to make a decision. I guess applications that are on the borderline go to a special group of people to review, from what I've found out; those folks meet every 2 weeks.
The problem with trying to get the paper documentation done is that you have to have various people fill out the NMC papers themselves with stamps/seals (or have them write a letter stating that they have none--like your references. US hospitals generally don't have hospital stamps). If you're already in the UK, that will take quite a bit of chasing up since the documents will be going overseas. I had to get my doctor (although I guess any doctor would do), board of nursing (in the second part you need them to sign that you haven't had any criminal convictions and in the first one you have to have a notarized copy of your registration certificate), my employers, and my school to sign off everything...plus certified copies my birth certificate, my marriage certificate, etc etc.
For the hours, do a search on the International and the UK forum as this has been talked about before. Basically you have to figure out how many actual clinical hours you've had and have the school sign off on it. I had my school type out (on official university letterhead) all the courses I took (nursing only) and how many hours they worked out for theoretical/clinical hours. I also sent them a copy of my official university transcripts just in case. It seems that the general rule of thumb for traditional American BSNs is you have to have at least 1500 hours, at least half of the total amount must be clinical (which is why you don't put in your general ed courses) and at least 1/3 must be theoretical. So if you're on a quarter system that's 10 weeks, how many hours did you spend in a classroom and how many hours at a lab/hospital?
I'm not sure if they'll accept me since my training is borderline on that 1500 minimum. If not I'm hoping that if I go to graduate school, the clinical hours would count or if a RN refresher course would count. Either way, I'll probably hear something by Christmas. The waiting is hard with such an important decision, but I'm doing my best to be patient. I'll call them in the first week of January if I haven't heard anything...
- 0Dec 2, '11 by newsharkGreat, thank you. I hope receive nice Christmas news, then. Please keep in touch about everything. I actually wanted to PM this message to you, BabyRN, but I cannot figure out how...? Do you have to have a certain membership for that?
Well, I wanted to ask you is if there's a difference with the IELTS...I am trying to sign up and have the option to take the general training test or the academic test. Do you know what the difference is? Which test did you take?
Thanks in advance
- 1Dec 2, '11 by Savonianhttp://www.nmc-uk.org/Registration/J...Testing-IELTS/
So, as I thought, they do require the academic-level. The difference is that the general level is, as the name says, general English and the academic is more complexed use of language.
- 0Dec 4, '11 by skylarkPlease look into the job situation before you go any further with this.
Its desperate in the UK right now, I have worked there on and off for many years and never seen it so bad. Whole ERs are closing down, specialist nurse posts have gone, its just imploding before your eys.
And dont foget the military have cutbacks too, there are one heck of a lot of ex-military UK nurses looking for work too and there is just nothing out there.
The ER I was working in will close at the end of the year, as will two others I know of. I've opted to get out of the UK again, there is no work there, and unlikely to be any in the forseeable future. Even nurses being sponsored on the ONP are being sent home, its that bad.
- 0Dec 4, '11 by babyRN.Yep, I agree with these ladies, it's super rough. I actually don't plan to go over for quite a few years if they allow me to have a license (after DH and I have kids) and I'm just trying to get the initial license now so that I can just have it ready when we do hope to go over. DH is a born British citizen, so I'll have the legality sorted out and I won't have to be relegated to visa numbers and sponsorships, but I dunno if I could hack it if I wasn't married to a Brit or another EU member.
- 0Dec 7, '11 by juan de la cruz GuideQuote from yemachiI happen to leave an email on the website of the company you quoted to inquire on a whim and promptly received a call from a representative who gave me the low-down on the company and how they place nurses in various hospitals within the UK. It seems legit but don't know how true it is that they could place US nurses for travel assignments even in this worldwide economic crisis. I was told to go ahead and take the IELTS (required regardless of whether or not I am a native English speaker from the US, Canada, or other similar countries) and they would help me with NMC registration (which could take 6 months I was told). The pay is definitely low (compared to California that is) but I thought pay was always relative to where you are in the world. I wasn't really seriously thinking about trying the travel nurse route but thought it was interesting that they were eager to help me. Also, don't know if my ICU experience was what attracted them.There is a travel agency called continental nurses they may be able to help you although their rates are really low, and the travel nursing is not like the states. i am a british nurse but have been working in the states for over seven years. in london we take nurses with acute care experience, no new grads, we perform all the tasks you have stated and much more. nurses in london have much more autonomy than the nurses in the states cause no one is scared of being sued.lol and in the icu the ratio with nurse to patient is 1:1.