Work While In School?

[MmacFN]

Hey All

So for all the post grads and pre grads;

Did/are you working during school? If so, how much? What is reasonable to expect?

Im not in a bind for money when school comes, but I wouldnt mind making a few extra bucks to take some heat off my wife. What is reasonable to expect?

thanks!

[Nitecap]

Interesting discussion

Maybe im miscommunication what my intent is. Let me lay it out so its straight forward. Again not a personal attack just straight up opinion.

- The standard for a profession is a degree from a university, not an associates. It is of no matter that most RNs are ADNs, the program should go away as it did in Canada for the benefit of the profession.

- When i said the ADN was a big Rat Race what i meant was that it is FAR too much crammed into far too little time. My nursing was 4 solid years (and all summer each year). I did over twice as much clinical as the local ADN programs (and near 3x the BSNs) and was able to specialize in Critical care and Emergency. Ive never heard of such things locally. If thats the case everywhere, then yes its inferior.

- Of course there are excellent ADNs, experience is the great teacher. However, this isnt the standard for professions, a degree is. Even if the degree seems to be focused on management tracks.

University is so much more than the classes you take, its the culture of intellectualism avaliable which opens doors in thinking. This is lacking in both the ADN programs and community colleges in general. Please, dont waste your time arguing with me about it if you havent seen both sides cause "you dont know what you dont know". Ive been both places. CC for Medic and Univ. for nsg degree.

- Locally, the degree programs are weak. They spend whole classes on nursing theory and nursing dx. Basically, absolute bullshit which you complain about all the way through the class and forget the day after you graduate. In order to strengthen the profession i feel nurses need to move closer to the medical model in regards to hard science education. Less fluff, more professionalism is whats needed to gain respect and recognition.

- I agree with a previous poster that we really should be heading toward MSN prepared RNs as the standard anyway. even OT and PT has done that, nsg is the hold out. The excuse is always the same, "hospitals need RNs we cant institute a nation wide BSN (let alone MSN) standard or the nsg shortgae will get worse. Its exactly that sortof BS that holds back nursing and nurses in general. Its going to get worse regardless of the profession. Nursing, as a rule, alienates 50% orso of he workforce with its current PR and education, MEN. Head more toward science, the medical model and higher standards and that will change. Until then 90% of the public sees nurses as diploma women (or gay men) ass wipers who will do more for less because they care. No surprise, nursing does nothing to change that opinion either in its actions or education.

In order to understand the problem you have to think outside yourself and your own ego. Sure, making BSN a min entry would be hard, HOWEVER canada did it and somehow they manage. Go figure.

As for me becomming a masters prepared instructor for nursing, i have absolutely no interest. They dont pay, there is no respect and the establishment isnt willing to change. Nursing still manages to fall back on the crutch of "Nurses Care". How nice is that, sadly it absolutely denegrates the profession within the realm of medicine (read: science) driven health care.

Mike mike mike. Think you are a good poster and all but maybe that you havent realized what country you now live in. The ADN programs will not disappear they will only expand. With a nursing shortage on the loom and projected numbers thought to be as high as short of 400,000 nurses in the next decade or so we need nurses to maintain standards of care. Our education systems are very different obviously. You have your opinion to comparision since you have seen both and I have not. Yet complaining about something that has no effect on you and that actually helps the profession and the countrys hlth care system is useless here man. I know ADN nurses right now that could run backwards and forwards over you in the clinical arena despite the amt. of education you have. These people have taken most if not all of the science courses that BSN nursing students here have taken minus theory classes and all the other classes not focused on nursing. Yes getting the BSN makes your education more well rounded I agree but many of the BSN courses are not needed to be an effective RN sorry to brk it to you.

So until you find a solution that tackles these main issues in this country not canada then really your aurgument is crap in my opinion.

1-Somehow lower college tuition or pay for eveyones BSN degree or at least pay the difference b/t ADN and BSN degrees.

2-Shrink or population to 30 million (canada) from 300 million ( US) and shrink the rate that it is currently aging.

3- In a decade somehow pull 400,000 BSN, RN's out of your anal sphincter.

4-Open 100 new BSN programs throughout the country

5-Find several thousand more nursing instructors to educate all these BSN's.

6-Find proven data and research that RN's in canada are more effective than RN's in the US.

7- Come up with millions to increase the salary of masters and phd prepared nurse educators.

Comparing OT and PT to nursing has many flaws.

Here just found this online:

# of OT's employed 2004 - 92,000 with 122 Masters programs entry level

65 programs combo bachelor/master, 6 phd entry level

# RN's employeed 2.4 million with 674 bachelors programs, 846 ADN programs, 600 RN to BSN programs, 137 RN to MSN programs, 417 masters programs, 100 or so CRNA programs, 417 NP programs

PT's doesnt state number practicing but has 94 masters programs, and 111 programs offering doctoral degress.

Lets compare this to Canada Number of RN's 300,000.

So comparing PT/OT and their switch to only awarding masters degrees has eye opening difference in amount or programs to convert, size of work force, number of people trying to enter work force, projected shortages.

Not to mention a PT/OT can do therapy on many patients a day. They are needed for an hour maybe not even to do their part. An RN as you know can safely take care of certain amts of pts and must be with these pts the entire day. As a RN you are PT/OT when they arent their.

Just remember man you are in this country. Dont be like most Canadians, French and germans and preach how much better things are in your home country but at the same time live here, work here and wont prob ever go back home to live unless you are old and retired.

There is a fine line b/t confidence and cockyness and you seem to walk it a good bit. I do admit I walk it as well every once in a while. Just be careful man if someone especially a program director feels you are a little cocky it will def. effect admissions into CRNA school as well once you are admitted it can effect your training.

[rn29306]

I know ADN nurses right now that could run backwards and forwards over you in the clinical arena despite the amt. of education you have.

So what dude? You don't like his posts? Why have you got to go and make it personal?

Kinda hard for you to say that seeing how you never met the guy, don'tcha think?

You are more full of piss and vinager than he is.

[MmacFN]

Wow.

I near stopped reading your post here:

I know ADN nurses right now that could run backwards and forwards over you in the clinical arena despite the amt. of education you have.

You dont know me, you dont know my clinical background or education. You have no idea what my experience is but make an absolutely uninformed personal attack right after i posted how refreshing this was after SDN.

Welcome to SDN mentality for those who havent been there.

You ascertions are all flawed. Here is why:

Yes getting the BSN makes your education more well rounded I agree but many of the BSN courses are not needed to be an effective RN sorry to brk it to you.

That totally depends on the courses now dosent it. If we are talking patho phys. advanced patho and full cadaver anatomy labs, i totally disagree. If your talking social justice, nursing theory, nsg dx and nursing informatics.. well i agree. I would also suggest that an "effective" RN from the perspective of the hospital is someone with 2 feet and a heart beat. They have no vested interest in us or how educated we are, that is clearly evidenced by just how often they seek to replace us (LPN's, Paramedics in the ER) yet make us legally responsible for these "nurse extenders". However, a truly effective RN is one who not only knows WHAT they are doing, but WHY they do it. Classes like i mentoned above give exactly that kind of knowledge. A truly effective RN is one who has a strong science background and can recognize when a physicians order may not be appropriate. Critical thinking at its finest.

So until you find a solution that tackles these main issues in this country not canada then really your aurgument is crap in my opinion.

Absolutely invalid. Your arguing numbers when its irrelevant. Per capita Canada is in the exact same situation as the USA. Canadian nurses amazingly find a way to pay for university, we call it student loan, i believe its avaliable here too (sarcasm). You make the exact argument that the hospital associations want to hear. There were many studies done on Canada that proved better outcomes when degree trained RNs took care of critically sick patients. Why else would a health care system run by the government (read: EXTREMELY interested in cost cutting) instute a country wide policy increasing RN education by a full 2 years and making it a university degree (read: EXPENSIVE) causing the average wage, and market value, of an RN to increase drastically (Read: Expensive). Oh, all that and in the middle of a nursing shortage which has no end in sight.

Your argument, and that mentality, is what keeps RNs from gaining the respect and professional acumes they deserve. It is also exactly what hospitals want to see to avoid paying more, (like that BSN degree) and promoting professional nursing. Regardless of the clinical prowess debate about BSN vs ADN, along with a university degree comes a greater respect and doors open because of it for all RNs.

Here are some studies:

Girot 2000 Broad - critical thinking Bachelor 1st year vs 4th

year vs Post registration

degree vs

Mature

practitioners III Moderate - small n No Post reg degree graduates and 4th yr degree students had better clinical decision making skills30 While 1998 Broad Mixed RGN vs Integrated Degree vs Project 2000 III Good Yes Degree program demonstrated more systematic, client focused care than other students30 While 1998 Broad Mixed RGN vs Integrated Degree vs Project 2000 III Good Yes Degree program demonstrated more systematic, client focused care than other students84 Vincent 1987 Narrow- identification of social probs BSN vs. non-BSN None-intact

groups III OK Yes BSN graduates identify more social problems85 O'Brien 1989 Narrow -'research mindedness' Hosp vs. Dip vs. 'pilot' (UK) None-intact

groups III OK Yes University programs may be more likely to lead to research-minded RNs85 O'Brien 1989 Narrow -'research mindedness' Hosp vs. Dip vs. 'pilot' (UK) None-intact

groups III OK Yes University programs may be more likely to lead to research-minded RNs87 Young 1991 Broad - range of pt care activities Mixed Prebach vs Bach III OK Yes Bach prep associated with more time on higher level pt care activities122 Pardue 1987 Broad - critical thinking and decision

making Mixed US Associate degree vs. Diploma vs. Baccalaureate vs. Masters III Good Yes Critical thinking improved with baccalaureate or masters education, no diff in frequency or difficulty in decision making125 DeBack 1986 Broad - course, outcomes nursing performance Mixed US Associate degree or diploma vs Bachelor or masters III OK Yes More educated nurses demonstrated wider range of competencies more frequently127 Dierckx de Casterle 1996 Narrow - ethical reasoning and behaviour Mixed Technical vs Professional vs university

(Belgium) III Good Yes Increased educational level increases ethical reasoning and behaviour137 Johnson 1988 Broad - range of performance indicators Mixed US Associate degree vs. Diploma vs. Baccalaureate III (Meta analysis) Good Yes Degree prepared RNs perform then ADN and Dip RNs across professional behaviours, performance, role and miscellaneous functions

Maybe i could post another 50 of the HUNDREADS of studies done in regards to this topic?

Just remember man you are in this country. Dont be like most Canadians, French and germans and preach how much better things are in your home country but at the same time live here, work here and wont prob ever go back home to live unless you are old and retired.

Wow, thanks for the judgement on my life and intentions. I call a spade a spade. If the system here is worse, then ill say it. Dont read it if you like it. RNs are a sought after commodity in the health care system, if ever there was a time to take advantage and move ahead with demands, its now. It dosent matter what country your in. Why dont you get over your ethnocentric attiude. the US is not the purveyor of everthing "the best" or "right", far from it.

Lets review again. Im 32 and your 26. Ive been in health care since i was a medic at 18 years old. My time in and experience is 14 years. At best youve been doing this for what, 7? I dont have any doubts about who i am, what i know or what my opinions are. You quickly displayed your immaturity in that comment i posted at the top of my post yet you judge me? Take my posts as cocky if you like, but they are simply opinion based on experience, research and facts.

[WVUturtle514]

Geez....I'm gone one day and look at what I miss. How in the world did this thread go from talking about working while in school to BSN vs. ADN and Canada vs. USA? Ados mio!!!!! :smackingf:

[Nitecap]

Wow.

I near stopped reading your post here:

I know ADN nurses right now that could run backwards and forwards over you in the clinical arena despite the amt. of education you have.

You dont know me, you dont know my clinical background or education. You have no idea what my experience is but make an absolutely uninformed personal attack right after i posted how refreshing this was after SDN.

Welcome to SDN mentality for those who havent been there.

You ascertions are all flawed. Here is why:

Yes getting the BSN makes your education more well rounded I agree but many of the BSN courses are not needed to be an effective RN sorry to brk it to you.

That totally depends on the courses now dosent it. If we are talking patho phys. advanced patho and full cadaver anatomy labs, i totally disagree. If your talking social justice, nursing theory, nsg dx and nursing informatics.. well i agree. I would also suggest that an "effective" RN from the perspective of the hospital is someone with 2 feet and a heart beat. They have no vested interest in us or how educated we are, that is clearly evidenced by just how often they seek to replace us (LPN's, Paramedics in the ER) yet make us legally responsible for these "nurse extenders". However, a truly effective RN is one who not only knows WHAT they are doing, but WHY they do it. Classes like i mentoned above give exactly that kind of knowledge. A truly effective RN is one who has a strong science background and can recognize when a physicians order may not be appropriate. Critical thinking at its finest.

So until you find a solution that tackles these main issues in this country not canada then really your aurgument is crap in my opinion.

Absolutely invalid. Your arguing numbers when its irrelevant. Per capita Canada is in the exact same situation as the USA. Canadian nurses amazingly find a way to pay for university, we call it student loan, i believe its avaliable here too (sarcasm). You make the exact argument that the hospital associations want to hear. There were many studies done on Canada that proved better outcomes when degree trained RNs took care of critically sick patients. Why else would a health care system run by the government (read: EXTREMELY interested in cost cutting) instute a country wide policy increasing RN education by a full 2 years and making it a university degree (read: EXPENSIVE) causing the average wage, and market value, of an RN to increase drastically (Read: Expensive). Oh, all that and in the middle of a nursing shortage which has no end in sight.

Your argument, and that mentality, is what keeps RNs from gaining the respect and professional acumes they deserve. It is also exactly what hospitals want to see to avoid paying more, (like that BSN degree) and promoting professional nursing. Regardless of the clinical prowess debate about BSN vs ADN, along with a university degree comes a greater respect and doors open because of it for all RNs.

Here are some studies:

Girot 2000 Broad - critical thinking Bachelor 1st year vs 4th

year vs Post registration

degree vs

Mature

practitioners III Moderate - small n No Post reg degree graduates and 4th yr degree students had better clinical decision making skills30 While 1998 Broad Mixed RGN vs Integrated Degree vs Project 2000 III Good Yes Degree program demonstrated more systematic, client focused care than other students30 While 1998 Broad Mixed RGN vs Integrated Degree vs Project 2000 III Good Yes Degree program demonstrated more systematic, client focused care than other students84 Vincent 1987 Narrow- identification of social probs BSN vs. non-BSN None-intact

groups III OK Yes BSN graduates identify more social problems85 O'Brien 1989 Narrow -'research mindedness' Hosp vs. Dip vs. 'pilot' (UK) None-intact

groups III OK Yes University programs may be more likely to lead to research-minded RNs85 O'Brien 1989 Narrow -'research mindedness' Hosp vs. Dip vs. 'pilot' (UK) None-intact

groups III OK Yes University programs may be more likely to lead to research-minded RNs87 Young 1991 Broad - range of pt care activities Mixed Prebach vs Bach III OK Yes Bach prep associated with more time on higher level pt care activities122 Pardue 1987 Broad - critical thinking and decision

making Mixed US Associate degree vs. Diploma vs. Baccalaureate vs. Masters III Good Yes Critical thinking improved with baccalaureate or masters education, no diff in frequency or difficulty in decision making125 DeBack 1986 Broad - course, outcomes nursing performance Mixed US Associate degree or diploma vs Bachelor or masters III OK Yes More educated nurses demonstrated wider range of competencies more frequently127 Dierckx de Casterle 1996 Narrow - ethical reasoning and behaviour Mixed Technical vs Professional vs university

(Belgium) III Good Yes Increased educational level increases ethical reasoning and behaviour137 Johnson 1988 Broad - range of performance indicators Mixed US Associate degree vs. Diploma vs. Baccalaureate III (Meta analysis) Good Yes Degree prepared RNs perform then ADN and Dip RNs across professional behaviours, performance, role and miscellaneous functions

Maybe i could post another 50 of the HUNDREADS of studies done in regards to this topic?

Just remember man you are in this country. Dont be like most Canadians, French and germans and preach how much better things are in your home country but at the same time live here, work here and wont prob ever go back home to live unless you are old and retired.

Wow, thanks for the judgement on my life and intentions. I call a spade a spade. If the system here is worse, then ill say it. Dont read it if you like it. RNs are a sought after commodity in the health care system, if ever there was a time to take advantage and move ahead with demands, its now. It dosent matter what country your in. Why dont you get over your ethnocentric attiude. the US is not the purveyor of everthing "the best" or "right", far from it.

Lets review again. Im 32 and your 26. Ive been in health care since i was a medic at 18 years old. My time in and experience is 14 years. At best youve been doing this for what, 7? I dont have any doubts about who i am, what i know or what my opinions are. You quickly displayed your immaturity in that comment i posted at the top of my post yet you judge me? Take my posts as cocky if you like, but they are simply opinion based on experience, research and facts.

Besides the comment that some of your posts are cocky nothing there was personal. I agreed that I can come across as cocky as well so I dont think any harm is here. And know I dont know you but in judging many of your posts I say you can be a little cocky at times or at least yoou comes across cocky to me and I believe I have enough posts to review to place that judgment. Listen I dont even know why we are aurguing here. This is a CRNA forum. You are a forum newbie. Seem real motivated and sure you will be a great CRNA. You started this ADN vs. BSN BS not me. I have points that oppose your view and I will state them. Of course you are from Canada and everything is better there. Same mentality I have about my country.

Again we are on the same side here. That doesnt mean I have to take your side. Im all for increased education, im just stating that for some that its not feasible. ADN programs RN's are vital to this Countries healthcare system and they should not be looked down on for their degrees. Many Many ADN's I personally know have bachelors in business, engineering, psych ect. They then decided to go the nursing route and wanted it quicker. These peeps possibly can be just as bright, lead just as effectively as a BSN, yet you guys dont even recognize these folks with multiple degrees. As well more programs are offering ADN to BSN routes than ever before. Im just being realistic if anything. This country has 6-7 x the nurses, 20 x the RN programs than canada. It would be great to have all nurses masters prepared no doubt and hopefully one day we will get their and I will support it all the way. But waking up from your dream and thinking realistically we have to take many more things into account besides that title behind your name and those extra classes you have.

Supply and demand of RN's, RN instructors

Resources, just who is going to fund all this?

The amt of those that would choose another profession if programs were all BSN or MSN.

Maybe one day this will happen, it would be a good thing. BUt first we will have many hurdles to jump over before we are here. WE must first thwart a much talked about and highly predicted shortage. And we arent going to do that by increasing admissions requirments, length of programs ect.

If masters preped Nurses such as NP's, CRNA's ect lead the way and covert to all clinical doctorate than who knows BSN programs may follow. But really realisticly speaking this will take years. Yes per capita canada can somewhat be compared to the US. But coverting hundreds more programs and millions more RN's will take time, money, sacrifice and a ton of political battles that also cost a ton of money. And yes the government controls hlth care in Canada and the Market here. Thats why RN's take home a good bit less in salary than RN's here and thats why at least 10 canadian great RN's worked with me in the ICU and thats why Hospitals here in Houston recruit RN's for Canada and draw them here with nice salaries.

Listen again man I enjoy many of your posts but that doesnt mean I have to agree with all you say and I wont. Congrats on the 13 years of experience man, what do you want me to do give you an award. Age is nothing in this game as you will soon see in CRNA school man. RN's with 15 years experience struggling b/c its such a different ball game. I encourage you to go to a top notch program man. I can PM you a few I recommend. You will understand that its not all cake walk like you are used to. You actually are challenged at times and have a ton more liabililty, responsibility, knowledge and skills. You are an expert at what you do, know doubt but you will be a novice at what you are about to start whether you like it or not. And you will be treated as such by your attendings, faculty, ect so I think you will have plenty adjusting yo do. They dont give a damn if you resuscitated the pt at the same time you flew the chopper thru the middle of a hurricaine you wont know ssssshitttttttttt.

Again Im not about personal shots here and I apologize if you took it that way so lets tone down. Though you are 36 and me 26 I think you can actually learn alot from me about how to get into school, about how to adapt to school, and anesthesia in general and about CRNA politics. We are on the same side man, understand that. However I really think you fail to take into account the big picture when it comes to what you are speaking up for.

And despite your 13 yrs exp I will put my knowledge up to yours any day my friend when it comes to the clinical arena. No I have never intubated someone in a chopper so our skill set will be different but knowledge we wil never see who has the most. To say your older age makes you smarter and more knowledgable is wrong, very wrong. We will see when you start school though.

[sweetsunshine]

Besides the comment that some of your posts are cocky nothing there was personal. I agreed that I can come across as cocky as well so I dont think any harm is here. And know I dont know you but in judging many of your posts I say you can be a little cocky at times or at least yoou comes across cocky to me and I believe I have enough posts to review to place that judgment. Listen I dont even know why we are aurguing here. This is a CRNA forum. You are a forum newbie. Seem real motivated and sure you will be a great CRNA. You started this ADN vs. BSN BS not me. I have points that oppose your view and I will state them. Of course you are from Canada and everything is better there. Same mentality I have about my country.

Again we are on the same side here. That doesnt mean I have to take your side. Im all for increased education, im just stating that for some that its not feasible. ADN programs RN's are vital to this Countries healthcare system and they should not be looked down on for their degrees. Many Many ADN's I personally know have bachelors in business, engineering, psych ect. They then decided to go the nursing route and wanted it quicker. These peeps possibly can be just as bright, lead just as effectively as a BSN, yet you guys dont even recognize these folks with multiple degrees. As well more programs are offering ADN to BSN routes than ever before. Im just being realistic if anything. This country has 6-7 x the nurses, 20 x the RN programs than canada. It would be great to have all nurses masters prepared no doubt and hopefully one day we will get their and I will support it all the way. But waking up from your dream and thinking realistically we have to take many more things into account besides that title behind your name and those extra classes you have.

Supply and demand of RN's, RN instructors

Resources, just who is going to fund all this?

The amt of those that would choose another profession if programs were all BSN or MSN.

Maybe one day this will happen, it would be a good thing. BUt first we will have many hurdles to jump over before we are here. WE must first thwart a much talked about and highly predicted shortage. And we arent going to do that by increasing admissions requirments, length of programs ect.

If masters preped Nurses such as NP's, CRNA's ect lead the way and covert to all clinical doctorate than who knows BSN programs may follow. But really realisticly speaking this will take years. Yes per capita canada can somewhat be compared to the US. But coverting hundreds more programs and millions more RN's will take time, money, sacrifice and a ton of political battles that also cost a ton of money. And yes the government controls hlth care in Canada and the Market here. Thats why RN's take home a good bit less in salary than RN's here and thats why at least 10 canadian great RN's worked with me in the ICU and thats why Hospitals here in Houston recruit RN's for Canada and draw them here with nice salaries.

Listen again man I enjoy many of your posts but that doesnt mean I have to agree with all you say and I wont. Congrats on the 13 years of experience man, what do you want me to do give you an award. Age is nothing in this game as you will soon see in CRNA school man. RN's with 15 years experience struggling b/c its such a different ball game. I encourage you to go to a top notch program man. I can PM you a few I recommend. You will understand that its not all cake walk like you are used to. You actually are challenged at times and have a ton more liabililty, responsibility, knowledge and skills. You are an expert at what you do, know doubt but you will be a novice at what you are about to start whether you like it or not. And you will be treated as such by your attendings, faculty, ect so I think you will have plenty adjusting yo do. They dont give a damn if you resuscitated the pt at the same time you flew the chopper thru the middle of a hurricaine you wont know ssssshitttttttttt.

Again Im not about personal shots here and I apologize if you took it that way so lets tone down. Though you are 36 and me 26 I think you can actually learn alot from me about how to get into school, about how to adapt to school, and anesthesia in general and about CRNA politics. We are on the same side man, understand that. However I really think you fail to take into account the big picture when it comes to what you are speaking up for.

And despite your 13 yrs exp I will put my knowledge up to yours any day my friend when it comes to the clinical arena. No I have never intubated someone in a chopper so our skill set will be different but knowledge we wil never see who has the most. To say your older age makes you smarter and more knowledgable is wrong, very wrong. We will see when you start school though.

And rn29307 or whatever you name is dont be taking shots. You have been warned. Dont think you want to get into it with me. "Piss and vinegar". And you want to call me out about getting personal. please.

Me thinks......What does Baylor think of such a fine representation of attitude and demeanor?

[MmacFN]

Nitecap

The post you made was 1/2 slight toward me (this latest one) and 1/2 apologetic etc. Again you make a comment in regards to me and my clinical knowlegde which is uninformed. Please, dont compare our clinical knowledge i guarentee the only place where you know more than me is anesthesia, thats not cocky just a fact. Lets not get into a pissing match, all those letters behind my name (and i dont post em all) respresent my interest in education and testing it vs a national standard. All the journal articles ive written on cardiology, trauma etc represent my personal interest in education and furthering my own knowldge (not in crappy nsg journals btw). While you may very well be as determined as i am to learn, ive got you by many years so of course i know more than you do.

In anycase, I have no illusions that CRNA school with be easy at all, but i never said that in the post. I also have no doubt that you have much to offer me in regards to CRNA school and anesthesia in general which i am clueless about without the input from people here. I dont think everything is better in Canada and never said that. In fact, i think it probably equals out. The only place i even implied was better was their clear interest in increasing pt care outcomes by raising the national standards of nursing education to BScN based on evidence, even in a nsg shortage.

Just so you know, free health care isnt free in Canada. The reason why RNs come here is because of the take home pay (like u mentioned). The taxes in Canada are at least double. (40% income tax & 15% sales tax where i was from).

No worries, none of this is personal to me nor has it been, you went there in your post by making implications about my level of clinical knowledge. We are on the same side but you have to get over the "im better than you because in an SRNA attitude". It simply isnt true. Im assuming your about done CRNA school which means you probably have functionally less than 4 years real experience. Saying you would put your clinical knowlege against mine when you have all of 4-6 years is hubris. I dont take offence, but i can tell you, thats cocky.

No hard feelings bro, I want to argue about religion and politics in the next post just for fun!

hehehhe

[Nitecap]

Nitecap

The post you made was 1/2 slight toward me (this latest one) and 1/2 apologetic etc. Again you make a comment in regards to me and my clinical knowlegde which is uninformed. Please, dont compare our clinical knowledge i guarentee the only place where you know more than me is anesthesia, thats not cocky just a fact. Lets not get into a pissing match, all those letters behind my name (and i dont post em all) respresent my interest in education and testing it vs a national standard. All the journal articles ive written on cardiology, trauma etc represent my personal interest in education and furthering my own knowldge (not in crappy nsg journals btw). While you may very well be as determined as i am to learn, ive got you by many years so of course i know more than you do.

In anycase, I have no illusions that CRNA school with be easy at all, but i never said that in the post. I also have no doubt that you have much to offer me in regards to CRNA school and anesthesia in general which i am clueless about without the input from people here. I dont think everything is better in Canada and never said that. In fact, i think it probably equals out. The only place i even implied was better was their clear interest in increasing pt care outcomes by raising the national standards of nursing education to BScN based on evidence, even in a nsg shortage.

Just so you know, free health care isnt free in Canada. The reason why RNs come here is because of the take home pay (like u mentioned). The taxes in Canada are at least double. (40% income tax & 15% sales tax where i was from).

No worries, none of this is personal to me nor has it been, you went there in your post by making implications about my level of clinical knowledge. We are on the same side but you have to get over the "im better than you because in an SRNA attitude". It simply isnt true. Im assuming your about done CRNA school which means you probably have functionally less than 4 years real experience. Saying you would put your clinical knowlege against mine when you have all of 4-6 years is hubris. I dont take offence, but i can tell you, thats cocky.

No hard feelings bro, I want to argue about religion and politics in the next post just for fun!

hehehhe

Apologizing only if you took things the wrong way but not withdrawing any of my statements. You are new, have no clue about anesthesia and act like you know it all. Though I believe you are a smart guy sometimes I think your know it all mentality can hurt you, especially coming across cocky which at times you do..Anyways this is over man, no offense taken and no offense given. This is what forums are for, debate, disagreement, aggreement, aurguemt all relevent to what we do, believe and support. Have a good day man, peace out.

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Besides the comment that some of your posts are cocky nothing there was personal. I agreed that I can come across as cocky as well so I dont think any harm is here. And know I dont know you but in judging many of your posts I say you can be a little cocky at times or at least yoou comes across cocky to me and I believe I have enough posts to review to place that judgment.

Cocky. Used 4 times in 3 sentences.

Nitecap, put down the Ritalin man.

Reminds me of that movie SuperTroopers and how they take bets on how many times the officer can say "meow" during a pullover.

Hilarious.

[rn29306]

Me thinks......What does Baylor think of such a fine representation of attitude and demeanor?

Hey Nitecap, have you started clinicals yet?

[Nitecap]

Hey Nitecap, have you started clinicals yet?

Check your PM box please.

[rn29306]

Check your PM box please.

Please resend whatever you sent. My mailbox is empty.