What would happen if someone accepted an offer from a hospital, anesthesia groups ect

[Roland]

to PAY for their tuition in exchange for a contract to work at their organization/facility and then decided or was not able to do so (for either a good or bad reason)? Wouldn't this amount to a simple "breech of contract"? Thus, the grants would in essence become loans which had to be paid back perhaps with interest, and maybe even some damages (although that would be difficult for the plantiff to prove). Wouldn't this be a possible option for someone who couldn't afford school on Stafford loans alone, and didnt' qualify for whatever reason for the private "Bank One" type loans? Even if the loaner required the "loanee" to sign a non compete agreement in exchange for the grant, these are usually not enforceable outside of a very limited geographical area. Furthermore, as I have pointed out before private debts (including most court judgements) are USUALLY dischargeable in Chapter Seven proceedings while student loans USUALLY are not (the common exception being in the case of permanent disability, and even then the Dept. of Education must "sign off" on the discharge which is not lock).

What are the "downsides" to this analysis for someone in this position (which for the record doesn't include myself). I am not advocating this approach, but consider it to be a worthy intellectual exercise since it is a situation which has likely occured before and probably will again in various locales around this crazy world! To those who are still offended at the very concept being discussed I would quote Aristotle who said that "it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

[keermie]

ENOUGH!

Here is the answer you are looking for. . . it is acceptable to use a stipend and default on it. It really is alright because you worked hard becoming a CRNA. People have done it before under extrenuating circumstances, or just for their personal gain. It is something that one can do. It is a possibility, so you are correct. Now some personal advice . . . don't do it for the wrong reasons because of the following: morals, values, professionalism, integrity, and good faith.

[Roland]

Actually, I don't believe it to be all right. Nor can I let my position be characterized as advocating such behavior. I do believe that there are situations that make the violation of such contracts less morally objectionable than other situations (death or sickness of family member, disability, duty to country as reflected by being activated from the reserves, ect). However, if the practice ever became widespread it could threaten the very existence of such inducements and that would negatively impact the ability of many to attend CRNA school. That is one reason why I offered concrete protocols that perhaps could be implemented to discourage such behavior.

[susswood]

Why did I read this? Can I have the last hour of my life back?

[Roland]

I think that there are abudant lessons to be gained from this thread:

a. People who renege on contracts seem to be rather common.

b. Many people will form conclusions about your character based simply upon the questions that you ask. The doctrine that I was taught starting in the first grade that "there is no such thing as a stupid question" is not subscribed to my many, if not the majority.

c. There may be measures that can be implemented which could reduce such broken contracts. Failure to adopt such measures might result in fewer student contracts being adopted in the future.

Also, let me point out that you are under no obligation to read every thread or its entire contents. To put it in the words of one of my best friends and immortal sages Carol Prebble, when we were younger "if you think a girl at a dance is unattractive don't dance with her or if you do don't ask her out, but there is no need to point out that she is ugly to her face or otherwise."

[Kiwi, BSN, RN]

Why did I read this? Can I have the last hour of my life back?

:roll This thread needs to slowly (quickly) slip into the woodwork.

[susswood]

Also, let me point out that you are under no obligation to read every thread or its entire contents.

Gee, thank you so much for pointing that out to me, I suddenly feel so free!

What a relief!