I am curious what it is about new grads now that such a resistance is being met. 2 years ago a new grad got out of school and got a job just about anywhere they wanted, and it all has changed like poof what happened?
I am no different than any other new graduate struggling to find one person to just give me a chance to prove myself. Might I say I am from the world where you work hard and how hard you work proves your ability that gains your respect that moves you into positions of stature. I have worked hard for everything and seem to be a fish out of water in this world I have entered. I do not know the perfect sentence to tell someone that will make them say that is the one for me? I am a shower, give me the oppurtunity to show you and I will prove that people can do things thought to be impossible. I am the over achiever of the over achievers. I graduated in the top of my nursing class, with all the stuff that I can show. However, it means enough to be mentioned but my achievements scream worker that works like no one you have probably ever encountered before. Getting to the top of the class at nursing school, winning 4 scholarships, and having fancy paper awards and lots of written accolades has not done what I thought it would and find me a job.
I have always thought that hard work pays off, no fail people notice that. Umm, what happened? I do not know the magic sentence to say that will make someone go, oh she is the one for me. All answers to interview questions are programed really, except me I am honest. However, I just do not know how to say and make a person believe that I would do the best job probably not at first against experience but in the long run, surely. I have never been less than the best, or up with the greatest. I know that as a nurse its not going to happen as fast as I'd like it, but I had to work up the latter when I became the youngest manager in a fortune 500 company to suceed on a trial basis. I chose my staff based on a passion for the job, less on what you did before. I can train anyone to be great, and a blank slate is a good way to do it quickly. I had lowest staff turn over and produced the most promotions and successive managers. How do I relate the way I know how to make an impression to the world of nursing interviews and questions? If I got an oppurtunity to show, that would be all she wrote and I would have been employed by now. I really do everything the best that can with all my effort all of the time, especially when it relates to lives.
Question 1: How do I transistion from a doing and shower, who is used to achieving through being the best and working the hardest to what did you like most about clinicals? What? What did you like least about clinicals? You haven't been a nurses aide? You haven't ever been a nurses aide? Well, if I knew to become a nurse I needed to be a nurses aide I would have passed on nursing school it was much harder to me.
Second Questions: Why is there such a resistance against new grads now, is there just too many newbies out there? How did it go to new grads are great give em a job 2 years ago to all nurses need experience to get a job now? I need experience to get a job that I need the job to get the experience??? I can solve any puzzle, not that one? Why is it like this? Please I want to understand? I mean I have been in interviews it was like they wanted nothing to do with a new graduate, period. They told me pretty much but said they would call me to set up a time to come in and observe the floor? Why all the dishonesty, why not just say I am not interested in you? So much less painful than the email of we dont want you instead of the call you were promised?
My generation of nurses, will only hire new grads I bet because man this is horrible. Has it always been like this in nursing, except for 2 years ago when it was cool to be a new grad? Did the seasoned and experienced nurses have to go through this tumultuous experience trying to get a person to believe in them?
WHY DO RECRUITER's send new grads on interviews with nurse managers that want nothing to do with them? That just puts everyone in an uncomfortable not so pleasant situation. Hopes are up, disappointment sits across from you, they tell you they want experience, and then the false hope with we will call you in "x" amount of days, weeks, for the next step big smiles. Umm, we believe you? Until we get the sorry go away emails that can cause depression for days or weeks to follow.
I wonder if I will ever get a job. I am to the point that I can wait a year, just let me have a confirmation that one day I am going to get a job at some point as an RN. Plus, what is going to happen when all the close to retirement nurses retire and now we have a bunch of new but old graduates with no experience and training from the people we need to gain information from?
What is the reason no one wants new grads when thats all they wanted 2 years ago? Plus, with this 1 year of experience thing going on I know the nurses I know are not staying anywhere and jumping around from job to job. I mean the nurse manager that see's me and hires me has me, I am dedicated to that man/woman for my life.
Just explain it to me? 2 years ago it was okay to train them, and now they are going here there and everywhere.
At some point there are going to be too many graduates? We are pumping thousand of new grads out of each state each year, every few months really? I do not even know if the interviewer can remember who I was when they get done interviewing for the position 2 months later? Whats with all the new required qualifications for us but not for someone who has been a nurse for a year? How come if I have a BSN as a new graduate I might get a shot at a job, but a diploma nurse with years of experience unrelated to my education is okay to be hired but an ADN nurse is not a consideration. Or an ADN nurse with experience trumps a new graduate with a BSN. None are equivilent in any form?
What is going to happen and what is the fate the new grad RN? Its nice to say I am an RN, and I am but am I? Is this all I will ever be?
wow long post, got at least 1/3 through ,any ways try every were, hospital, dialysis, ltc phys hospitals, i did for a long time, finally got hired at a nursing home , had a really kinda crummy position for a while ,now i love what i do , also people want some one who is teachable if you come off as knowing everything, not saying you are, they might pass
I am glad you said that because my best experience was my internship and my last clinical in ICU and CSU, it was the first time I was in a setting with seasoned nurses like 20 and 30 years experience. I was just amazed and just soaked up all I could, I so wanted more time with them. I got along great with all of them, some of my peers not so much. I did do well in nursing school and I know those books but what they teach is not in any book anywhere. Plus, the seasoned nurses were much better to me than any of the younger nurses I came across. Plus, when I am being taught by a nurse of 2 years, she had less to offer than I did because I had more book smarts.
I had got a interview at the place I did my Internship, same place with these nurses I respect to an unbelievable level. The nurse manager who is NEVER absent happened to be sick on my interview day. I had to interview with the nurse of all nurses, the chief nurse. Holy holy nervousness if I ever have been nervous. I think it went well, but I cant ever tell. That would be my dream job, and would be worth the wait. I will learn things there I won't anywhere else. I love those nurses. I am really intellectual to, so the information they provide just has me in awe. Plus, the tricks they know. My classmates felt it their duty to sit around in chairs, and turn in circles. I know how to get out of so many situations, and I have done so much more than any of them. I am so open to learning from the nurses that possess the knowledge. 2 years is nothing compared to 20 or 30 years, nothing.
Im confused about nurse aide/extern job? I did not have one. Im not watching my friends buying cars or whatever, its not like its winning the lottery. My friends are trying to make sure they can buy dinner? I think there was a miscommunication here.
Cushy ICU job? ICU and critical care nurses work very hard. I have an interview for the CSU or ICU, I am extatic. I not clear what your message means?
Two years ago, in my area, was worse then it is now. The nurses were getting laid off by the boat load. Last year, there was a massive nursing strike right around the time most nursing schools graduate.
I actually didn't read your post word for word, but I would say that from the gist of it, make sure you don't come across as trying too hard in interviews. I was not at the top of my class, I didn't have any fancy awards or scholarships... and one the ladies I graduated with who was the top of our class is volunteering her behind off at the hospital I got a job at. So in all reality, I don't think that stuff means much.
Have you looked into different areas? (Meaning location as well as areas of nursing.) Best of luck to you, I'm sure you will find a way.
Good advice, I never bring any of that up and only speak about it if they do. I dont know if I should or shouldn't so I dont want to look like Im a know it all. I know I dont know it all, I could not even know it all from the books. Sheesh. The reason I am top of my class is I felt that each piece of information I learned was a life I might save, each piece of information I brushed off because it might not be on the test might be a life at stake. So, the reason I am at the top of the class is far from just wanting to look smart or whatever one might get from it.
I am the first in my family to graduate high school, more less attempt college. It was also something I needed to do to make me feel like I had something special or weird like that. Like to go to college to be a nurse was a dream come true, not something we just did in my biological family. I changed a cycle, nothing means more to me than that fact. I was proving something to myself that I am not sure what it is yet.
I wonder to, if because I have not been exposed to this kind of world really. Thats why I rely on proving myself, I have always had to do that and i always do it well. I just don't know what I'm doing. I wonder if I am being professional at times? I wonder if my background hinders me in some way. Its probably just that stupid fear I have that no matter how hard I try I cant change where i came from and what made me. I think I feel lesser and that I dont deserve and I dont belong. I have never said that before. I just wonder if it shows?
I have that problem. Imagine being my preceptor, oh goodness. I found a cell formation and type that I googled and I got 5 results. Can you imagine to google a topic and get 5 results. 4 were definitions. So, I would ask her stuff and she would look at me and say from this and that how did you ever get there? So, she was happy when I told her I only got 5 returns on google.
I need to know, everything. Imagine being me, I do this non stop day in and out. The really horrible thing, I research until I have each and every answer. WIsh my brain would die every now and again. lol ty funny
Wow, I saw a position open for a prison but scares me. Me (female) male prision riot or people get control? Of course I go worse case scenerio. Glad its better now than last year, good news thanks.
from the bit i read, i'd say you are pretty cocky and a turn off as a candidate. yes, you may have all the bells and whistles....but to be honest, they're too loud- and personally, i definitely wouldn't want to work with someone like that. you make it seem as if you know it all, and quite frankly if you did you wouldn't have put up this post.
i suggest you keep trying, but with a more humble attitude. i myself will be a new grad in december, and i know that things are not the way they used to be a few years ago. but again, look around and see all the people with educations, who were in top positions that may be bagging your groceries or taking your order- they may not like it, but i'm sure they are grateful for a job. so be grateful to have the opportunity to interview, even if it leads to nothing. eventually you will get a job and as you say, if you know you will excel, then you will.
i am also at the top of my class, honor society, nsna board member, etc.-but i know i can't count on that to get me a job. hopefully a smile and just a sincere interest to work will give me a chance, and only then will i add the fact that i have a list of acheivements.....a better reason to hire me.
best of luck. if you're such an acheiver then you know you will land a job
i am so sorry to have given you the wrong impression. how did i come off cocky? i just said what i achieved, and i do not say those things in an interview. my achievements are listed on my resume and i only speak of that when they ask me questions about it. i did not expect it to get me a job, i just thought it would show a hard i worker, which is what i thought would be an attribute that nurse managers would like.
if your at the top of your class than you know how hard it is to achieve that, and for me it was the greatest achievement of my life for many reasons relating to my childhood. why would saying what i have achieved would be considered cocky, even though i dont. if a nurse worked in an icu for 1 year, and got promoted to charge nurse of course she would list that on her resume and thats not cocky. that is wonderful, she worked hard for something and she achieved a great accomplishment. i am happy for all people that achieve, just like you.
i said absolutely nothing that indicated that i know it "all" in anyway, that is your insertion. you got the completely wrong impression. now, if you believe that being cocky is being proud of my accomplishment than i am 100% guilty.
just because a person bags groceries does not mean they dislike their job, they may love their job.
i have never been cocky about a thing in my life, and humble i must be in all things because of what i am and where i come from. as a child i had difficulty learning, i had to memorize everything. in the mist of all the issues i had with learning they discovered i had a high iq, and that runs in conjunction with asperger's an austism specrum disorder. i was abondoned by both my parents and lived in foster homes, all i had in life was school work. i began to adapt my disability to work with me in positive manners. i graduated highschool with every credited class including college courses offered. i had a lot of time on my hands being alone, moving, foster home to foster home. btw, i am sure i dont have to mention that horrid things happened to me.
i was told as a child that i was a retard. i would be nothing better than what i came from. all kinds of horrid things that made me not even realize i had a single talent. i saw nothing special or good about me, and there was no one there to tell me any different.
i tried to go to college, which was my dream. none of my biological family had ever graduated highschool. probably none of them could spell college. everyone of them is a drug addict or alcoholic, and all of them have lost custody of their children. i am the first to change the cycle in completion. i spent my 20's raising siblings and trying to go to college and take care of my children. worked two jobs, college, and kids. i could only do it for so long and i went through many majors, nothing really grabbing me. plus, 24 two small boys and 2 teenage girls that i supported solely did not provide ample time to be a good mother and support the kids by working two jobs.
at 30 years old, i took the test to get into a test in nursing school and i scored almost double the score that was considered good and the number to get in. i argued with the administrator saying i know i could do better if i could just do the test again like the other students. he refused. i cannot even begin to tell you what i had to sacrifice to go to nursing school. my first day i was paralyzed with the fear that i would fail right out. the obstacles i faced in life and in getting through nursing school would ireprehensible and uncomprehensible to the normal person.
the reason i am always the best worker, best student, or best whatever because of how hard i work is because there is no other option for me. i have to suceed or my life goes into a gutter and once in the gutter, there is no person there to help me up. i work so hard because i am working sustain a life that for my children that i know nothing about. half the time i am fighting against life, racing the clock, waiting for the day that i don't have to fight because everything is going to be okay because i finally did it.
i realized in nursing school i had something special about me that other people did not. people never wanted to be anything like me, and i was treated like less of a person from day 1. i never knew i was smart until i was 29 years old because i was to busy trying to survive. i am darn proud of my accomplishments in nursing school. i graduated from college and i am an rn. to climb out of the hell i came from is 1 in a million and here people respected my intelligence. i could not believe myself, i got to know me for once.
plus, someone who is being humble would not have to mention how they are top of their class as well. you could never understand the humble i possess, and i don't think i am better than anyone and that is the full truth.
the reason i talk about giving my all and i know i am the hardest worker most people will meet is because my path here was not an easy one.
what i say about myself is the truth. i am proud of myself and nothing you say matters.
why did you even interject about a topic that you know nothing about, your just a nursing student. this pertains to nurses, not you.
you sound to me like a jealous person, as no person who got to the top of the class would be calling me cocky knowing the work it takes to get there. try to lift people up rather than pull them down.
you have no clue, hopefully being exposed to the world of nursing with cause some personal growth.
how can you even have an opinion on something you know nothing about? thats cocky.
Guess you should have read the whole thing because nothing about me is cocky. This post was for nurses, not student nurses who know nothing about the subject. I replied in depth.
Umm, again you are totally off. I have applied to over 300 positions at 20 facilities or more and none are down the street from my house. Where did you get this stuff? I am not sitting around unemployed for a year?
What is a GN? Also, I do not know where you get your information from but here in ohio 2 years ago anyone could get a job no issue new graduate. I am friends with tons and tons.
Well, I am so happy that you got a job so easily. I have children to take care of, so that does play a role but I have applied to hospitals one hour away. WHere did your information come from? My post didnt have any of this on it. WOw, I cant believe a facility would put 5 new grads in one unit. Oh, we dont have GN's in our state, they are not considered nurses. A graduate nurse is what you are speaking of? We don't acknowledge them, Im sure that would be easy to get a job just like a nursing assistant.
Thanks everyone for your thoughts about this stuff. I appreciate everyone's input, whether I agree or not. Each person brings a unique aspect to any discussion. I value everyone's insight and opinions.
Aubrianna
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I am glad you said that because my best experience was my internship and my last clinical in ICU and CSU, it was the first time I was in a setting with seasoned nurses like 20 and 30 years experience. I was just amazed and just soaked up all I could, I so wanted more time with them. I got along great with all of them, some of my peers not so much. I did do well in nursing school and I know those books but what they teach is not in any book anywhere. Plus, the seasoned nurses were much better to me than any of the younger nurses I came across. Plus, when I am being taught by a nurse of 2 years, she had less to offer than I did because I had more book smarts.
I had got a interview at the place I did my Internship, same place with these nurses I respect to an unbelievable level. The nurse manager who is NEVER absent happened to be sick on my interview day. I had to interview with the nurse of all nurses, the chief nurse. Holy holy nervousness if I ever have been nervous. I think it went well, but I cant ever tell. That would be my dream job, and would be worth the wait. I will learn things there I won't anywhere else. I love those nurses. I am really intellectual to, so the information they provide just has me in awe. Plus, the tricks they know. My classmates felt it their duty to sit around in chairs, and turn in circles. I know how to get out of so many situations, and I have done so much more than any of them. I am so open to learning from the nurses that possess the knowledge. 2 years is nothing compared to 20 or 30 years, nothing.
I so hope I get that job, I love it there.