UW... why NOT to go - page 3
Not to burst any bubbles, but the University of Washington is on the decline. They've just raised tuition for their family nurse practitioner program to exceed that of medical school. We're talking... Read More
Jun 16, '09Joined: Jun '08; Posts: 51; Likes: 25Well, I get told time and time again that it really won't matter if I have an ADN or BSN with a second degree. But I have intentions of going on to get my master's in nursing and who knows what else from there, so for that I've heard that it would be somewhat beneficial to have a BSN, but still not crucial. The idea of going to a CC for two years and then an RN-BSN program for another 1-2 years really doesn't appeal to me when I could do it in 13 months through an accelerated program, even though it costs way more. But it's different for everyone, ya know? I'm also drawn to BSN programs because they look at the whole applicant, not just grades. I'm only going to apply to a few schools (hopkins, duke, and UCSF) for next June and see what happens, reapply to more the following year if I need to. First I just want to graduate with one degree! hah!
The only thing I'm considering UW Seattle for is if I ever want to get my PhD or DNP.
Jun 16, '09From: US ; Joined: Jun '09; Posts: 29; Likes: 4Yeah it depends on location too. I can't move and here in the seattle area I haven't heard of any accelerated BSN programs that I can think of off the top of my head. I've just heard of the master's ones which I wouldn't want to do.
I'm assuming you are from Cali because of your user name, have you heard anything about a john f. kennedy university in the bay area? I read on the UCSF website that if you go there for BSN you can automatically get into UCSF for the masters program. Seems life a sweet deal since UCSF is ranked very highly in nursing, but I haven't found out too much info about the program or even if that school is any good. That's the only program I would look at for out of state if even that.
But sounds like you are applying to some great schools! Good luck!
Jun 24, '09Occupation: correctional nurse Specialty: 3 year(s) of experience in hospice, corrections ; Joined: Jun '09; Posts: 87; Likes: 134Lower Columbia College has a 99% pass rate on the LPN NCLEX (which you are encouraged to take after your first year in the RN program) and a 95% pass rate for the RN NCLEX. My class all passed both tests first time. I would encourage everyone to go to a good community college for their RN, there are a lot of RN to BSN classes available. WSU has one completely distance ed. There are some significant advantages to CC, lower tuition, smaller classes, great teachers and you usually know all of your classmates because you have been slogging through all of the pre-req's together.
Sep 19, '09Occupation: Nurse Tech SICU Joined: Sep '09; Posts: 33; Likes: 1I am in the BSN program at UW and love it. I think there are advantages and disadvantages of every program. It's true they increased the tuition exponentially for the FNP program. But overall, you get an excellent education at UW and they really treat you like an intelligent individual capable of learning and absorbing a lot of information. At times it felt like med school (I have a lot of friends who have been through med school). So if you want an intellectually challenging experience, go to UW.
Sep 19, '09Joined: May '08; Posts: 257; Likes: 218I really enjoyed my time at WSU. If you're currently looking into nursing school (or a masters), don't rule it out because it's on the other side of the state. Our president cares, our nursing school dean cares, our instructors were almost all currently practicing RNs or ARNPs, the NCLEX pass rate is high, and it's just an over all good environment.
As for masters... I hear great things about WSU and Gonzaga. Gonzaga is almost all online with a few campus visits during the semester. I know a lot of people who are able to work full time and complete their degree.
Good luck to everyone trying to make decisions.
Sep 19, '09From: US ; Joined: Jun '09; Posts: 29; Likes: 4i think you can get an intellectually challenging experience elsewhere, not just UW.
Sep 24, '09Occupation: Registered Nurse Specialty: Critical Care ; From: US ; Joined: Jul '09; Posts: 48; Likes: 25http://www.doh.wa.gov/hsqa/Professions/Nursing/documents/PassRates.pdf
Here's a link to the NCLEX Pass rates on the Department of Health Website. It helped me to make the decision on which schools to consider. What I have been told from nurses that I know who work at Swedish is that a new grad is a new grad. You're not going to command a higher starting salary with a BSN then you would be able to get with an ADN because you are still a new grad. However in the long-term I think we will all want to get the BSN because there is a push towards it. Hospitals are encouraging their nurses to go back and complete the BSN, and some states are making laws to require a BSN to become an RN.
The bottom line in this job market is that you will be competing with a lot of other well qualified professionals for a very limited number of positions in any field including nursing.Last edit by LetUrLightShineRN on Sep 24, '09 : Reason: adding a link
Sep 24, '09Specialty: 10 year(s) of experience in NICU ; From: US ; Joined: Jan '08; Posts: 1,726; Likes: 2,279Just as an FYI, it is harder as a new grad to get into the various nursing specialties...I'm a NICU (neonatal) RN and there were 60 apps for the 10 spots in our new grad group and all of us are BSN grads.
Sep 24, '09From: US ; Joined: Jun '09; Posts: 29; Likes: 4A BSN is better than an ADn in my opinion as well, but this thread was mostly for people who dislike UW to express their opinions. It's not about ADN vs BSN. That is one disagreement that can never be won, judging from other threads like it haha. Also, there are definitely other schools in the state of WA that you can get a BSN. WHo cares where people go, just as long as they are happy with their choice that's all that matters.
Nov 29, '09Occupation: Fulltime student From: US ; Joined: Nov '09; Posts: 63; Likes: 6I am applying to both the UW GEPN and SU APNI Master's programs. The cost of the UW program is about $73,000. The cost of the SU program is about $54,000. They both take the same length of time and result in the same degree. As a longtime taxpayer of Washington State, I want to know why it costs so much more to go to a public university than a private university? On paper, both of the programs sound good, but is the UW program really worth $20,000 more?
Nov 29, '09Joined: Aug '09; Posts: 39; Likes: 22No, GEPN at UW is not worth $20K more than SU. (I say that as a UW alum.) Either way you will be laughed out of HR if you have an advanced nursing degree but you never worked as an RN. And unfortunately there are no jobs for new grad RNs. We are starving out here. Seriously. If I had it to do over, I would not waste my money at the UW or probably in nursing school at all. There are just zero job prospects.
Nov 30, '09Occupation: FNP Specialty: 25 year(s) of experience ; Joined: Nov '09; Posts: 97; Likes: 93I think a bit of it is in the eye of the beholder, though certainly resouces are an issue. Another school in Seattle you did not mention was Seattle Pacific University. Large enough to have had a FNP program for a while but small enough to custom tailor a program. I looked into the UW for a FNP and heard some mumbling consistent with previous complaints in this thread, though I also look at who is doing the mumbling and why! I even had high level input from hiring persons that they would not hire a UW FNP as they thought the faculty had their ..... in the clouds and gave the students no real experience LOL (I disagree, but remember the comment from the old crusty person).
FWIW I even ended up at Harborview as a FNP student, not even being a UW student ( Though I admit I worked some contacts). I found SPU though not perfect to really be willing to make it work for you yet also make you sweat a bit to learn what they expected you to leave with.
as far as undergrad goes I have hired before as a manager and never really paid attention to the "name" of the school where the RN recevied a BSN. For me it was always how the person presented and what they had done.
for what its worth
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Jan 7, '10Joined: Jul '09; Posts: 3Quote from stellasaurusThe U.S. News & World Report editors do the ranking and they've admitted that it is fairly random=just for marketing purposes. What better way to sell a publication to an eager student audience year after year? Think about it.
Stellasaurus.... I know it's been awhile, but I'm wondering where you found this info that USNWR admits their ranking is fairly random? I have had the hugest gut feeling this is the case, and after looking into their "methodology" it has proven correct, but they don't exactly say it's "random" or for "marketing". Just that it is peer reviewed. So again, wondering where you picked up this gem of information that they admit it is for marketing.