Time to call a duck a duck?

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I remember having this debate with other students while I was in school. I have seen nothing during my time practicing nursing to change my mind about the issue. Now, with the recession bringing out the true colors of nurses and everyone around them, my opinion seems even more valid. I wonder what others think about it.

I remember sitting in nursing school as the instructor drummed on and on about how "Nursing is a profession." That exact theme butted it's head into almost every single class one way or another, regardless of the subject matter. I often found myself thinking "Who cares?" or "What's the point in that?". Then came the dreaded "Dimensions of Nursing" class. It was the class all RN's must go through at one point or another (IDK if LPNs do or not). There are other names for it "Political Aspects of Nursing" I've heard among a few others. It is the class in which you must discuss the political issues that involve nursing. You are encouraged to join this and that group, Nursing as a Profession is discussed over and over, and you must do a research paper. I never really said in that class how I really felt about the whole business of nursing being a profession in fear of drawing the ire of my superiors.

What is it I had to say that my fellow students got to hear during breaks that my instructors did not? Well: Nursing is not a profession, not even with a very generous stretch. It is a labor, a trade. We are judged solely by the amt. of patients we can handle and still keep the minimal quality expected by our administration up to par. Not very much unlike a McDonald's burger flipper. The faster you can cook those patties without screwing too many up, the better you are. That's all there is to it really. If you don't believe me, take a gander at where nursing expenses falls in the budget. We are not logged next to the admin./doctors/lawyers or any of the other professionals. We are grouped in with dietary/housekeeping/security. As far as budget makers are concerned (and, lets be honest, they make the rules), we are a debt, like a labor.

IT IS TIME FOR NURSING TO GIVE UP THIS IDENTITY CRISIS, THIS INFERIORITY COMPLEX IT HAS DISPLAYED SINCE ITS BIRTH AND MOVE ON, EMBRACE BEING A LABOR AND LOVE IT.

Ever see the movie "Man in the Iron Mask"? The King/spoiled twin tells his brother "Into the dungeon you will go, and you will wear this mask again, and you will wear it until you love it."

We are wearing the mask, but are for some reason we are unable to learn to love it. So we will forever stay in the dungeon denying what we are.

Lets face it. All the aspects of a "profession" are an illusion in nursing.

Definition of a profession:

A profession has a unique body of knowledge and values – and a perspective to go with it.

A profession has controlled entry to the group eg registration

A profession demonstrates a high degree of autonomous practice.

A profession has its own disciplinary system.

A profession enjoys the Recognition and Respect of the wider community.

1. Unique body of knowledge: We do need to go to school and must learn a lot, but I don't know about the unique part of it. Most CNA's pick up on how to do what we do after just a couple years, without the schooling. As far as values and perspective go, lets face it, we can't even agree in here on what that is. How many "Calling from God vs. Its a job" threads/rants have you seen on this site. I've lost count. We can't even agree amongst ourselves what degree we should have. I've also lost count of the "BSN vs. ADN vs. Masters" threads.

2. Controlled entry: Phfffft. It is controlled, but not by us. The hospital/medical field administration decides this. Whatever they decide they are willing to hire is what the rule is. If they decide tomorrow to never again hire ADNs.........that's that for them. We have no say in it. Seen any "Nurses eat their young" vents/threads lately. I know you have;), even if you were a blind, deaf mute with both hands tied behind your back you can't help but run into them on here. If we truly were in control of who came into the profession, such threads would be minimal. Can't be angry about who is allowed in when its your decision who gets in.

3. Demonstrates a high degree of autonomy: Again, I lead with PHfffffft. Our job description continues to be and will forever be everything and anything they can't pawn off on the other laborers. How many of us, since the recession hit, have been told to pick it up and help out in non-nursing job related ways? Empty the trash, stock the cabinets, hand out trays, collect and clean the trays..........its endless. We are unable to define for ourselves what we will and will not do. You don't see them sending the Legal dept. any emails about helping maintenance do you? Any rules/laws concerning scope of practice are simply to protect patients from us should we decide to play doctor. No laws exist to restrict what can be expected of us away from the bedside (no, that would actually be useful, help the pt., can't do anything silly like that).

4. Has its own disciplinary system: Do I need to insert Phffffft again? Oh, I just did. We only qualify here if badgering, cattiness and petty write ups are "disciplinary". Nuff said.

5. Respect of the community: I'll resist the urge to insert the obvious lead here. I'll just point out the complaining about surveys that's been the norm lately. Lets face it folks, professions who have respect are not surveyed like this. These surveys resemble grade school report cards "Nursey doesn't play well with others". If we were "respected", we'd be the ones filling out the surveys on how to improve the model of care given.

Think back to your highschool days. Remember that class clown who tried way too hard to be funny? The not so good looking girl who never stopped digging for compliments on her looks? The not so well liked guy always asking if you and he were buddies or not? That's what nursing has let itself become. Constantly running around worrying about impressing people and all the while completely losing its focus on the primary goal. A lost teenager suffering from an inferiority complex.

Maybe if we embrace the fact that we are............:eek:gasp..............a mere labor, we will be able to dedicate ourselves to our patients. Instead of worrying about proving nursing holds a "unique body of knowledge" and making up useless, pointless "theories" and such (tell me one instance you have found a use for nursing diagnosis), we will become more useful. Focus instead on better time management, better understanding of the things we actually use on the job (the equipment for instance) and a better understanding of the tasks expected of us (study IV insertion in school instead of writing papers about why nursing is a profession).

I know many of you will be upset with me and my views. They are what they are. I make no apologies for them. Not having a well liked opinion has never stopped me from saying what I feel needs said before.

So...............am I wrong? Why?

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
you're turning it into something it isn't. my husband is a "tradesperson," but he's not responsible for people's LIVES. he's great at what HE does, but if he couldn't pass the classes and exams required in nursing school (which he couldn't) then he would and SHOULD be weeded out. what's "ouchy" about that?

edited to say: by the way, this is how nursing and EVERY profession works! there are WAY more applicants to nursing school (where i am) than there are acceptance letters. i, for one, would be very annoyed if someone way less qualified than i were accepted - wouldn't you? they only take the "best" and that's the way it should be. i WANT the best taking care of me, or my child, or my mother. who doesn't?

Kinda depends on your description for "more qualified".

Entry exams for nursing programs these days are designed to measure only the most basic core knowledge (expected to be known from pre-reqs) and the ability to think abstractly..........a term renamed "critical thinking" for the nursing program. Remember, schools are designed to get you to a point where you pass the NCLEX first, make you a great nurse second. Many never get around to #2.

So, if your definition of "qualified" is someone with a high likelihood of passing NCLEX on the first try, then yes, a concrete "sink or swim" approach is fine. If on the other hand your definition is to be a great nurse, then simply relying on the school's acceptance policies isn't enough, because thats not their goal (being a great nurse). They are seeking great test takers, not great nurses.

My definition tends more towards "qualified" meaning great performance as a nurse, hence I don't put much weight into who the schools pick and choose to allow in. It is the first step in the weeding out process, but its also the least accurate. People with traits that don't translate into high test scores (maturity, people skills, time management skills, organization, work ethic, assertiveness) that help form a great nurse are left out in the cold. I can assure you, while in school, if you were not annoyed by who was and was not accepted it was because you were on the other side of the spectrum..............people more qualified were annoyed by your acceptance. I went through school knowing there were people who more than likely would make a better nurse than I that weren't given the chance because I was a better test taker. Sad but true.

Specializes in Geriatrics, Home Health.
Is that the tunnel that has been under construction for like over a decade and still nowehere near completed?

It opened around 2003, but it has problems with leaks, and a falling ceiling tile killed someone in 2006.

Specializes in being a Credible Source.
they only take the "best"...
Uh no, the vast majority of them do not take the "best." Most of them take anybody who meets their minimum requirements, even if those people must wait awhile or secure a seat by lottery.
Uh no the vast majority of them do not take the "best." Most of them take anybody who meets their minimum requirements, even if those people must wait awhile or secure a seat by lottery.[/quote']

i don't know where you went to school, but the minimum requirements at my school consist of an average at best GPA. the person with the LOWEST GPA accepted last year had a 3.7. that is the "best" on the scale they use for acceptance.

Kinda depends on your description for "more qualified".

Entry exams for nursing programs these days are designed to measure only the most basic core knowledge (expected to be known from pre-reqs) and the ability to think abstractly..........a term renamed "critical thinking" for the nursing program. Remember, schools are designed to get you to a point where you pass the NCLEX first, make you a great nurse second. Many never get around to #2.

So, if your definition of "qualified" is someone with a high likelihood of passing NCLEX on the first try, then yes, a concrete "sink or swim" approach is fine. If on the other hand your definition is to be a great nurse, then simply relying on the school's acceptance policies isn't enough, because thats not their goal (being a great nurse). They are seeking great test takers, not great nurses.

My definition tends more towards "qualified" meaning great performance as a nurse, hence I don't put much weight into who the schools pick and choose to allow in. It is the first step in the weeding out process, but its also the least accurate. People with traits that don't translate into high test scores (maturity, people skills, time management skills, organization, work ethic, assertiveness) that help form a great nurse are left out in the cold. I can assure you, while in school, if you were not annoyed by who was and was not accepted it was because you were on the other side of the spectrum..............people more qualified were annoyed by your acceptance. I went through school knowing there were people who more than likely would make a better nurse than I that weren't given the chance because I was a better test taker. Sad but true.

well, they can't really line up every applicant and test their nursing skills before they even have the skills. unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) they have to have SOME sort of system to weed people out, and GPA is the typical system they go by. furthermore, if someone more "qualified" to be a nurse had the skills you mention (maturity, people skills, time management, organization, work ethic, and assertiveness) along with the DRIVE to be a nurse - they could put the above skills to good use and do well on the tests schools use to judge student's ability to succeed. people do get into nursing school and don't do well (or just don't like it) and quit or fail out. some quit or get fired once they make it all the way to the workforce. either way, they get weeded out. what do you suppose the explanation is for the advances in healthcare (along with most every other profession) since the requirements were raised? i don't think it's by accident and because the "truly talented people" weren't given a chance because they didn't have good test taking skills.

Specializes in Float Pool-Med-Surg, Telemetry, IMCU.

If nursing isn't a profession, may I please stop taking my "Leadership in Nursing" class? Words like "metaparadigm", "transtheoretical", and "model" (when we aren't talking about Tyra Banks or balsa-wood cars you build out of a kit) make me throw up a little in my mouth. :barf02:

And respectfully, the "even a CNA can do it" digs are getting old. Many of us work as aides before or while going to nursing school and these remarks make us sound like trained chimps or something. Jeez. We're not idiots.:yawn:

(And a trade can be just as demanding and require just as much skill as a profession. Don't agree? Try doing your own plumbing!)

Specializes in Float Pool-Med-Surg, Telemetry, IMCU.

eriksoln, I apologize; I totally paraphrased your CNA comment unfairly. Guess I'm just feeling touchy because I have a 5 page care plan due for clinical tomorrow and have to get up at 4:30 a.m. So glad I graduate in June...:devil:

Specializes in being a Credible Source.
i don't know where you went to school, but the minimum requirements at my school consist of an average at best GPA. the person with the LOWEST GPA accepted last year had a 3.7. that is the "best" on the scale they use for acceptance.
Regardless of the details of your particular school, surely you've heard how common is the admissions by lottery or waiting list... as well as the high-priced schools whose candidates are virtually assured admission presuming they meet the minimum requirements.

The reality is that, as a whole, the requirements to get into nursing school are not particularly high. How many programs even require something as rudimentary as the SAT?

Specializes in Critical Care, Med/Surg, Cardiac Tele.

This thread is getting old. I worked hard to get where I am. I worked all the way through nursing school, my BSN program and still working full time while in a masters program. With each step of my education I have become more professional. I didn't mean to. It wasn't planned. It just happened. Some of what they were teaching me managed to sink in. I repeatedly thought that nursing theory was pointless, and yet, I find myself using parts of it in my practice. Yes, my practice. Isn't that an oddly "professional" term? Crazy thing is that by the time I have finished my education, I will have spent about as much time as I would have had I gone to med school. Do I feel like a professional? Absolutely. If you don't, then maybe you are not promoting nursing in the right light. Maybe you would be better suited to being an electrician. Good luck to ya.

Specializes in being a Credible Source.
This thread is getting old. I worked hard to get where I am. I worked all the way through nursing school, my BSN program and still working full time while in a masters program. With each step of my education I have become more professional. I didn't mean to. It wasn't planned. It just happened. Some of what they were teaching me managed to sink in. I repeatedly thought that nursing theory was pointless, and yet, I find myself using parts of it in my practice. Yes, my practice. Isn't that an oddly "professional" term? Crazy thing is that by the time I have finished my education, I will have spent about as much time as I would have had I gone to med school. Do I feel like a professional? Absolutely. If you don't, then maybe you are not promoting nursing in the right light. Maybe you would be better suited to being an electrician. Good luck to ya.

So nursing theory is what makes nurses professionals? I guess I'll continue to be a blue-collar, tradesman nurse.

So you're saying that electricians aren't professionals but nurses are? Powerful stuff, that nursing theory must be.

On this, however, we agree: This thread is getting old.

Specializes in being a Credible Source.

Be mindful of the law of unintended consequences: Along with the designation of "learned professional" comes the designation of "exempt employee."

Is that really what you're advocating for?

Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.
So nursing theory is what makes nurses professionals? I guess I'll continue to be a blue-collar, tradesman nurse.

So you're saying that electricians aren't professionals but nurses are? Powerful stuff, that nursing theory must be.

On this, however, we agree: This thread is getting old.

this is the fundamental problem that Nursign faces, while those who lack self awareness consider they

1. 'don't use' Nursing theory

2. are 'only following orders'

then Nursing will not change and it will continue to be viewed as a trade.

With respect to the poster who cited Germany as an example of Nursing not having as a high a profile as it does in the US , you have to consider the fuller picture, the franco-german model of healthcare delivery is very physician centric , but in a different way to care in the USA is physician centric ... The Franco-German model sees physicians undertaking a lot more hands on service delivery and the legislative position reflects that , vs the US model of physician centricity which is based in physicians being the only 'earners' in a health system and the only people who can create the ability to bill. and that everyone is a'cost' or a tool to enable the physicians to create 'income'

With reference to psychomotor skills - there has been discussion in the past that has painted None US curriculum trained Nurses as inferior because IV cannulation or aspects of physical examination are not as strongly emphasised as core skills, leaving aside the fact that other healthcare systems place control of all nursing actions within the domain of Nurses to assess, 'diagnose', plan , implement and evaluate interventions, this may also include challenging the practice of others and none evidence based 'standards of care' - this has been seen again in many discussions on allnurses - especially some of the poorly articulated and evidence free assertions made about a number of topics including immobilisation of patients with suspected spinal injuries, the use of restraint, moving and handling in general ...

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