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crap, you have not seen abuse of the wellfare system until you come here to jackson mississippi and stand in a grocery store and watch some dolled up diva pay her bill with a food stamp card while adjusting all her bling-bling and talking on her $300 i-phone then watch her stroll over to the nail counter to get a Mediao star looking manicure..and i paid for all of it. happens every ******* time i goto walmart...

This is exactly why the government needs to stay out of the business of charity. People who would never dream of asking their neighbors or complete strangers to give them money for their cell phone bills or to get their nails done have no problem whatsoever with allowing the federal government to give them money which was forcibly taken from those very same neighbors and strangers.

"The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."

--James Madison

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."

--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Albert Gallatin, 1817

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This is exactly why the government needs to stay out of the business of charity. People who would never dream of asking their neighbors or complete strangers to give them money for their cell phone bills or to get their nails done have no problem whatsoever with allowing the federal government to give them money which was forcibly taken from those very same neighbors and strangers.

"The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."

--James Madison

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."

--Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Albert Gallatin, 1817

That's right. It's a dog eat dog world. Better go back to the good old days when people just died and got out of the way and cut off all aid for those whose homes get lost to floods, jobs get sent to Asia or downsized, the sick and mentally ill and those whose livlihood gets destroyed by 20million barrels of oilspills. Oh, and your elderly parents too and you yourself should you lose your job or make the mistake of getting old.

If you don't pick the right parents who needs you.

PS - I notice you didn't include any quotes from jefferson and hamilton. you should read the Federalist Papers. some good stuff in there.

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Pro slavery quote? What are you smoking?

If anyone is a slave to anyone, it is those who work for a living, paying taxes for the entitlements of those who are sitting on their collective *sses. Look around....they're everywhere.

I don't mind paying taxes for things like medicare, social security, and the like....but I see so much abuse of the system (I'm in KY). I've about had it up to here (my eyeballs).

I don 't doubt it. KY is one of the states, IIRC that gets more back in taxdollars and govt. than it submits. As of 2008, 8.2 cents of each of your federal tax dollar was spent on all anti-poverty programs combined. (it's less today and will be even more so next budget needless to add). To put that in context almost 11 cents is paid just servicing debt (interest on), 42 cents on the military and 21 cents on healthcare outlays (tho medicare is funded by it's own seperate tax pool). http://www.cnbc.com/id/26941466/?slide=5

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slavery is not at issue here. i'm referring to the common sense of the statement, not to philosophy of the man who wrote it. financial sense is just not that common anymore. the quote was:

"you cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. what one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. the government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. when half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."*

considerign the top 1% of the country now owns over 80% of the assets i think that's a side issue, don't you?

ps - i never thought shouting and using colored fonts made anybody's argument stronger but that may be just me...

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Specializes in Critcal Care.

The real issue and point of the quote is that if you get something free from the government, then someone somewhere had to pay for it. Although I suppose the real situation now is when the government gives away freebies, then they borrow to do it and pledge to repay by taxing my future income and assets.

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The real issue and point of the quote is that if you get something free from the government, then someone somewhere had to pay for it. Although I suppose the real situation now is when the government gives away freebies, then they borrow to do it and pledge to repay by taxing my future income and assets.

Well, perhaps so, but they're certainly not "giving away freebies" to the middle class. And the amount of each of your tax dollars that gets spent on all poverty programs combined is about 8 cents.

It's a convenient whipping boy but the face of the matter is the deficits are a result of reduced revenues in the form of windfalls to big corps and wealthy individuals (and the subsequent fallout on middle class jobs) far more than increased spendings on the poor.

Raping the middle class can be done by those above you as well. it's just that Heritage, Fox, Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter and all their other moutpieces don't tell people to be mad about THAT.

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It's a convenient whipping boy but the face of the matter is the deficits are a result of reduced revenues in the form of windfalls to big corps and wealthy individuals (and the subsequent fallout on middle class jobs) far more than increased spendings on the poor.

And don't forget the two wars and "Medicare Part D" boondoggle that were put on the ol' credit card rather than being paid for ...

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And don't forget the two wars and "Medicare Part D" boondoggle that were put on the ol' credit card rather than being paid for ...

Good point. Not to mention Medicare Advantage which proved, if nothing else, that no the private sector can't operate any cheaper than Medicare's economies of scale.

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You are exactly right and your statement supports my point. Any freebie to ANYONE is something working people, rich, middle class, or poor must pay for. Big corporate companies are guilty. GM is a good example. Belly up and whining they just had to be saved, but when shareholders (ME!!) deserved to get paid back first, guess what? Union members who didn't have a legal leg to stand on were paid off FIRST! oH, CORRECTION! I'M STILL WAITING ON MY MONEY. But GM said they've paid back all the money, yeah, with the second borrowed stimulus. Agricultural subsidies, something I know about, are another big rip off. Some of the talking heads you mentioned have made these same arguments about large corporations ripping off the middle class. I may not like their style at times, but I do recognize truths on both sides.( I listen to it all, BBC, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Al Jazeera. ) I guess I'm just tired of paying taxes every year and feeling as though politicians, republicans and democrats, take it and spend like a teenager with no credit limit at the mall. People just don't have the financial philosophy of the greatest generation. My father always told me, "You should always be able to pay all of your bills and live for two years without any job, just in case. You have a moral duty to be in a position to help those who need help when the going gets tough and people are hungry. Learn the difference between need and want. Learn to wait and then buy. " Pretty good for a man raised without indoor plumbing, never finished high school, and who went on to run three successful businesses employing many people. If he could hear all this class warfare being waged now in the media, he would say, "Only two classes....those that do, and those that don't."

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Specializes in Critcal Care.

In a rather large city in TN, a news program featured interviews of people standing for hours in a line to get their utility bill paid by a government program. On the other side of the street a temp company advertised several jobs. A reporter pointed out to a lady that she had been waiting in line long enough to have earned more than enough to pay the utility bill. Her reply? "I don't want no d....mn job".

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You are exactly right and your statement supports my point. Any freebie to ANYONE is something working people, rich, middle class, or poor must pay for. Big corporate companies are guilty. GM is a good example. Belly up and whining they just had to be saved, but when shareholders (ME!!) deserved to get paid back first, guess what? Union members who didn't have a legal leg to stand on were paid off FIRST! oH, CORRECTION! I'M STILL WAITING ON MY MONEY. But GM said they've paid back all the money, yeah, with the second borrowed stimulus. Agricultural subsidies, something I know about, are another big rip off. Some of the talking heads you mentioned have made these same arguments about large corporations ripping off the middle class. I may not like their style at times, but I do recognize truths on both sides.( I listen to it all, BBC, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Al Jazeera. ) I guess I'm just tired of paying taxes every year and feeling as though politicians, republicans and democrats, take it and spend like a teenager with no credit limit at the mall. People just don't have the financial philosophy of the greatest generation. My father always told me, "You should always be able to pay all of your bills and live for two years without any job, just in case. You have a moral duty to be in a position to help those who need help when the going gets tough and people are hungry. Learn the difference between need and want. Learn to wait and then buy. " Pretty good for a man raised without indoor plumbing, never finished high school, and who went on to run three successful businesses employing many people. If he could hear all this class warfare being waged now in the media, he would say, "Only two classes....those that do, and those that don't."

fully agree with much of what you say. my parents were kids during the great depression and never forgot it. I don't think they bought anything on credit they couldn't pay off at the end of the month except their (modest) home and for emergencies and we definitely weren't the kids getting to drive our parents 30,000 pickup trucks and suvs. OTOH, when we got done highschool they actaully had some savings for our college -well, my oldest brothers anyway.. I guess the apple really doesn't fall far from the tree because to this day I've never had a credit card bill I could't pay off at the end of the month. Would suggest the reason our (nurses) taxes are high is because of the downward shift of the tax burden onto payroll taxes and consumption , state and local - we're nickled and dimed all over. fed budget is drowing in interest debt and two wars and medical inflation while tax revenue is down both in the form of upper tax cuts on fed income tax and also the loss of revenue from a long period of unemployment and underemployment.

have a great day :-)

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